QUESTIONABLE INFORMATION POSTED AS FACT CONCERNING THE BEALE TALE

[ECS]

Thank You, Franklin.
Do you have access to tax or property records for 1885 Lynchburg that can verify Max Guggenheimer did indeed live on Main Street when the Beale Papers was published for sale?
There had to be a reason that he along with the agent/publisher were the only two people named that were living when the pamphlet was published for sale.

 

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[ECS]

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The building labeled as Max Guggenheimer, is that considered the head of Main Street?
Is the address number 167 or 600?

 

[franklin]

The building labeled as Max Guggenheimer, is that considered the head of Main Street?
Is the address number 167 or 600?

Main Street at the southern end starts out over 1200 as you come up Main street the numbers get smaller. Lot #84 where Max Guggenheimer lived in the house of Robert Morriss was around the 600 block. To get to 167 you would have to go over across the river into Madison Heights.

 

[ECS]

THE DAILY VIRGINIAN March 19,1863
"NOTICE-The undersigned wishes to inform his friends and customers in the city and county that he has been carrying on his business at No 167 Main Street, near the Norvell House. Max Guggenheimer"
If 167 Main Street was "near the Norvell House" it would not be across the river into Madison Heights.
What was the Main Street address number of the Norvell House in 1863?

 

[Rebel - KGC]

THE DAILY VIRGINIAN March 19,1863
"NOTICE-The undersigned wishes to inform his friends and customers in the city and county that he has been carrying on his business at No 167 Main Street, near the Norvell House. Max Guggenheimer"
If 167 Main Street was "near the Norvell House" it would not be across the river into Madison Heights.
What was the Main Street address number of the Norvell House in 1863?

Come & LOOK!

 

[ECS]

Come & LOOK!

Wow! Another invite, but I don't need to come to Lynchburg to prove that the address numbers on Main Street have change since 1885.
But, thank you for your invitation.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

If you say so...

 

[franklin]

 

[ECS]

RETURN TO THE THREAD TOPIC OF QUESTIONABLE INFORMATION

Over the years on various threads statements have been posted as "fact" when there is no documentation outside of the original source, THE BEALE PAPERS, publish by James Beverly Ward during the year of 1885 in Lynchburg, Virginia.
Most appear to be based on opinion of maybe or pure embellished speculation, or force fitting random possibilities to fit a pet theory.

Some of the questionable "facts":
Robert Morriss was related to Robert Morris Jr, signer of the DOI.
The Fine Arts Building on 600 Main St was the Morriss house where Beale stayed.
Indians observed from a distance the kiln fires that the Beale Party utilized to smelt the ore.
Once smelted gold and silver was made into bars by sand box casting.
The gold was about 60% or 14K, the silver little more pure.
The gold and silver bars were transported in false bottom wagons.
To cross Big Otter Creek, the bars had to be unloaded and placed on pack mules.
The treasure was placed in 30 gal salt Boone's Salt Works brine pots.
The "key letter" was never delivered because of a St Louis flood.
...and so on.

None of what is listed above is mentioned in the original source of THE BEALE PAPERS.

The Beale Papers pamphlet type was set by typewriter.
That device was developed by the MERGENTHALER LINOTYPE Co and was first placed on sale in 1886, one year after the job print pamphlet was printed.
The Virginia Print Shop did not have a MERGENTHALER and the pamphlet type was set by hand.

Pauline Innis was related to the Harts and her brother, the Right Rev Lawrence E Luscombe officiated at her funeral.
Pauline Bertha Lee-Jones was born December 8, 1917, Torquay, South Devon. England, and was an only child, and she was related to Agatha Christie, but NOT to the Harts.
Primus of the Episcopal Church of Scotland, Right Rev Lawrence E Luscombe did officiate at her funeral, but was her first cousin and only living relative.

It is interesting how Ward's 23 page dime novel pamphlet has generated so much speculation and misinformation, and I might add, animosity when this questionable information that was posted as fact is pointed out and corrected.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

LOL!

 

[ECS]

If you say so...

What I say is so far, neither you or Franklin have disputed any of the listed questionable information posted as fact, and with all the claimed "boots on the ground" neither have presented any evidence that the Beale story happened outside of the pamphlet's pages, which probably accounts for all the negative barbs directed my way and adds nothing to the discussion.
Hopefully with this last barrage flurry of being worked up over posted real facts, ya'll worked out all that negative animosity.

 

[ARC]

The building labeled as Max Guggenheimer, is that considered the head of Main Street?
Is the address number 167 or 600?

Today the mailbox for that address would be about the back aisle of the 7-Eleven store...

next to the Slurpee machine as far as I can tell.

:P

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Today the mailbox for that address would be about the back aisle of the 7-Eleven store...

next to the Slurpee machine as far as I can tell.

:P

LOL! NO mailboxes allowed in THAT area of downtown... 7-11 "dogs'' ARE good, tho.

 

[ECS]

You have asked ECS at least a dozen times about whether he has ever put boots on the ground in the search for the Beale Treasure...

Looks like boots on the ground at least will get you to a Lynchburg 7-11 for a hot dog.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Looks like boots on the ground at least will get you to a Lynchburg 7-11 for a hot dog.

Got 2 or 3, depending on what part of town you are...

 

[Rebel - KGC]

What I say is so far, neither you or Franklin have disputed any of the listed questionable information posted as fact, and with all the claimed "boots on the ground" neither have presented any evidence that the Beale story happened outside of the pamphlet's pages, which probably accounts for all the negative barbs directed my way and adds nothing to the discussion.
Hopefully with this last barrage flurry of being worked up over posted real facts, ya'll worked out all that negative animosity.

NOT sure how to read that... YOU have NEVER posted "real facts"; stating YOUR only one opinion, over & over, again. Ad nauseam...

 

[ECS]

You seem to have forgotten the "all in the family" connected references found in the Beale Papers that you and Franklin once agreed with, and other facts concerning other influences, including Coles, Witcher, Clay, Jackson, and Marshall, their connection to Lynchburg and why mentioned in the pamphlet, and the article that appeared in the LYNCHBURG VIRGINIAN a few years before the Beale Papers concerning the Robert O Willis treasure found in a Kentucky cave of gold, silver, and jewels.
These are just few of the "real facts" that I presented that led to my deductive conclusion, much more than your claim of my "only one opinion".
Also, as the thread title states, I listed "questionable information" that was only speculation that was posted as researched "fact"
As for "As nauseam"- the constant barrage of disparaging remarks by the "boots on the ground" contingent concerning my research and conclusions.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

You seem to have forgotten the "all in the family" connected references found in the Beale Papers that you and Franklin once agreed with, and other facts concerning other influences, including Coles, Witcher, Clay, Jackson, and Marshall, their connection to Lynchburg and why mentioned in the pamphlet, and the article that appeared in the LYNCHBURG VIRGINIAN a few years before the Beale Papers concerning the Robert O Willis treasure found in a Kentucky cave of gold, silver, and jewels.
These are just few of the "real facts" that I presented that led to my deductive conclusion, much more than your claim of my "only one opinion".
Also, as the thread title states, I listed "questionable information" that was only speculation that was posted as researched "fact" YOU
As for "As nauseam"- the constant barrage of disparaging remarks by the "boots on the ground" contingent concerning my research and conclusions.

HA! You NEVER did "boots on the ground" work up here in Virginia; lately, YOU had only ONE opinion...

 

[ECS]

…"and you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows" -Bob Dylan

 

[Rebel - KGC]

…"and you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows" -Bob Dylan

Armchair TH'er, eh...?