Pirate Treasure-Trying to get a permit to dig up

[Bigcypresshunter]

Salvor and the new guy said they witnessed BDD finding "treasure". Now since we are all on the
cache hunting forum and mostly older hunters wouldn't it make sense to describe those finds?
BDD never claimed to find anything noteworthy in his numerous digs and here we learn he did?
What did he find from using LRLs/Dowsing equipment in particular.

Ovid claimed he found the Atocha. Salvor worked with Mel Fisher and I think he remembered the incident. Its just not verified. Mel denied it.

Im not sure what BDD found after Ovid died.

 

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[Hot zone]

Well he told me about several large treasures and it all made perfect sense but alas he didnt tell me the locations were they were hidden and/or buried.

If you read the news link I posted, they found 30 guns in his car at the accident. I think it might be dangerous to my health to go looking. I shouldnt even be talking about this. The word is mum. I know nothing.

lots of people have multiple guns...I would be concerned if they were all loaded though! Gotcha on the mum, like I said I can keep a secret...nuf said...

 

[ECS]

Ovid claimed he found the Atocha. Salvor worked with Mel Fisher and I think he remembered the incident. Its just not verified. Mel denied it.

BDD,amended that story on this thread,stating that Ovid went out with a subcontractor to Fisher,after the Atocha had been found,and located gold from the already discovered Atocha.He also noted on that post,that Fisher never met,or knew of Ovid Arnold.
I didn't know Salvor worked with Fisher,but by his own admission on this thread,claimed to work for L Frank Hudson,who was charged for destroying Indian mounds in his search for gold.Hudson also searched for pyramids in the Everglades and ecountered skunk apes.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

lots of people have multiple guns...I would be concerned if they were all loaded though! Gotcha on the mum, like I said I can keep a secret...nuf said...

LOL 30 guns in his car? Yea I guess its no biggie. Im not worried because I dont really know anything about the locations.

I will reveal what I know to the priest at my Last Rites.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I could be wrong but I think Salvor worked with Mel Fisher. Mel was always looking for divers. I know Salvor worked the 1715 fleet. Thats what he does. He was working a lease when I met him.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Where is everybody?

 

[releventchair]

Around.
B.D.D. being somewhat unconventional in terms of some equipment generates some friction with others if any challenge is made. Dwelled on seems to be too annoying or personal for him. Some people claim to have a "feel" for sites. Some feels have been based on solid leads and evidence and taken years to locate. We want the recoveries right now though. So equipment and methods get kicked about while impatiently waiting.I read of travels with Ovid and can put the methods aside for the enjoyment of older days. Starting to think folks who work in or near saltwater develop the temperament of musicians over time. Key West competition/pirate mentality or something. L.o.l.. Yes it gets bad inland too if any big value at stake. Its not so bad to wake up thinking towards the hunt. Once found its not always the best part and can become anticlimactic or worse. Careful what you look for, you might find it kind of stuff.

Keep hunting B.D.D. Its out there.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I think BDD is saddened by the loss of his friend. I am also saddened.

 

[Jon Phillips]

One of our customers also knew him, and was unaware that he had passed away...He is friends with his uncle. He was surprised to hear of the accident, and also felt the loss.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

One of our customers also knew him, and was unaware that he had passed away...He is friends with his uncle. He was surprised to hear of the accident, and also felt the loss.

Its terrible news.

 

[Bigdogdad]

Okay, I have to admit I am addicted to this site and can't stay away. I am not going to let some bad apples spoil it for the bunch. I have had a week to think about the church site and to mentally process all the evidence. I will go thru the entire timeline and how I got to this point on this particular site.

Over 20 years ago I was part of a test involving a 90 year old dowser/remote sensor. Because of the results of the tests I became completely convinced that map dowsing can be done to lead you to a specific spot where treasure may be buried. The people administering the test went from being complete skeptics to believers. This has caused me to have an open mind when someone claims to be able to locate buried targets using a map or photo.

I also witnessed LRL's (long range locators/detectors) and know that they can work. You do not have to find buried treasure to find out if they can work just as you don't have to find buried treasure to know that metal detectors work.

I have been on the lookout for many years to try to find someone that may have the abilities that my old friend Ovid Arnold had. This is just one of the reasons I joined Treasurenet. I believe there are multiple people that are Treasurnet members that can look into a photo and see what may be buried. I don't really expect too many people to believe this but I am really only concerned with my own beliefs.

After a couple of years of posting on and reading many different threads on this site, I have come into contact with well over a dozen different individuals with totally different methods.

I have posted many of my own stories on this site and this has caused a lot of people to PM and e-mail me. Over a dozen have come to my house. I do not discount anything I am told until I have a chance to see whether it is true or not. I try to get my facts and opinions from real life hands-on experience and seeing things with my own eyes. Looking things up on the internet is great but it should just be another tool.

After returning from a trip in November from North Carolina I was contacted by a TNET member that wanted to share their knowledge with me. After well over 30 plus years of trial and error they were convinced that they could put me directly on sites containing buried treasure. I was ready to give them the benefit of the doubt and give it a try.

I was given the GPS coordinates for numerous buried treasures. Two of them were in Sarasota Florida not too far from where I live. One is supposed to be a large amount of gold and silver buried at 12 feet on a piece of commercial property. The other is supposed to be a large amount of gold, silver and diamonds at what was first said to be at seven and a half feet and was later said to be at three feet. I would guess that the first number may be more accurate. Just my opinion.

I have yet to be able to go after the 12 foot site but eventually got a permit to dig at the church site. I had brought in a LRL person I met thru TNET that I think knows what he is doing. He led himself to the same location that I was given. My original guy told me that the target would be somewhere within a twenty foot diameter circle at the GPS number. At the exact enter of this circle there was a slight depression. A GPR expert located a man-made structure at the center of this circle.

I had use of a detector called a Nokta Golden King. It gave a reading for gold and non-ferrous metal in a cavity at this spot. A probe located a solid object.

I was told by my church contact that we could only dig on Saturdays. A dig was planned. On the day of the dig my dig partner of choice was unavailable. I brought in two good friends. When we showed up at the church a grounds maintenance worker was mowing the area. The church guy did not want him to know what we were doing so we had to wait until he left. This delayed us about an hour. My friends had limited time.

We set up a small tent and I began to dig. We videoed everything. I immediately encountered some broken up old concrete pipes. It took some doing to trace each of the three runs. I found different metallic objects. This all took a little longer than planned and I knew my guys were running out of time. About this time my phone rang and I was informed of a friends death that had occurred just hours earlier. I was suffering the effects of a brown recluse spider bite and was not at my best. I decided to fill in the hole and come back a little more prepared.

I posted the results on this thread and as was to be expected the critics were quick to claim that the dig was a failure. This was no surprise to me but the negativity sometimes gets to me. I know this is what some want. I know there are people on here that want to see me fail. That is not what this site is supposed to be about. I choose to share my story but I am not on trial and do not have to prove ANYTHING.

Here are the facts as I see them.

I was given an exact location to dig.

At this exact location an underground man-made structure was found.

This structure appears to be part of a cistern (not a septic system).

A cistern is used to store rainwater. It can be above ground or below ground.

The metallic object found and posted on here was most likely a control valve for the water.

This structure was around 20-25 from an old well.

If a concrete tank is used for holding the water underground it could easily be six feet deep.

The cistern would have an access lid.

This would be an ideal place to hide something.

If it were ever abandoned it is possible that someone would fill it in with dirt without ever having a reason to see what may be at the bottom of it.

This location was part of a dairy farm in an area of other farms and there was a huge cattle operation nearby.

The house on this property was torn down a long time ago.

At this point I am believing that the gold, silver and diamonds are at the bottom of the old cistern.

I will be bringing in a powerful PI (pulse induction) detector capable of detecting non-ferrous metal at the seven foot depth it may be hidden at.

This dig is far from over. I do not expect anything I have stated here to sway the opinion of the likes of vor, ECS, lastleg or some others. They see an empty hole. I see a hole full of potential.

This is where the metallic object was located and I think this is where the control valve was placed. This pipe may have led to the cistern before it was capped off. These objects were right in the middle of the depression at ground zero. My guy says the gold, silver and diamonds are below this spot.

 

[G.I.B.]

Keep digging and good luck.

My sympathies concerning your friend.

 

[Crosse De Sign]

Best of luck, cooperation and coordination.
Wishing you great success now and always.
Glad you like to share your strategies and
interesting experiences. Regards... Crosse

 

[Bigdogdad]

I also want to mention that someone had previously dug at this exact spot. It appears that they busted thru the pipes, quit digging, threw the pipe pieces back in and then filled in the hole. Some would say this was because they were dismantling the system but I don't think this is the case. There seems to be no other reason than they may have been looking for something, just as we were. The difference was that we did not throw the junk back into the hole.

I have been on many dig spots that Ovid had remotely dowsed. Some seemed to be in the middle of nowhere. When I looked closely around the area I could see evidence of past diggings. Whatever drew him to the site had drawn others. I believe this to be the case at the church site. My present day remote sensor did not randomly pick this exact spot. He is convinced there is a large amount of gold, silver and diamonds buried there. I think others have been drawn to the exact spot perhaps by the same method or they may have been told about it by someone that knew of the treasure being buried.

The bottom line is that I will be going back with better equipment. Like I originally said, the Garrett GTI 2500 was still picking up a signal for deeper metal before the hole was filled in. Most people give up too easily. They find a little junk in a hole and then go home. Perseverance is the key to successful cache hunting. Luck helps. Digging deep enough in the right spot would probably be a good idea too.

 

[releventchair]

Well written post's. Good to see them. Interesting cement cap. Its similar in theory to some cannon barrels with bands or swells cast for strength. First thought was its a plug and center low groove would accommodate a leather or other strip like today's o-rings. Rather un simple for casual sealing what ever its designer was after. Does not seem like a quick home made piece. Flange looking ears on pipe could be a box wall of a stock tank or through wall wall pieces. Interesting cement work anyway and seem more elaborate than common. Would expense of grade/quality be suitable to waste lines,perhaps but it would require more money than press fit joints and a gob of material to plug a pipe.
But hey, its out of my realm and leading to my speculation. As follows. There have been tales of caches under feed bins."Average" cistern lid is ground level.Helps keep debris out if lid is removed for inspection. Boughten type were like a solid manhole cover turned till locking lugs centered in appropriate half moon recesses or similar to allow lid to be lifted off.Many were lean to,or porch floors keeping them roofed. A collar stood over lid in outdoor location with a lid might defend it from cattle but should be close to water source to reduce pipe runs and leaching for cleanliness sake. Windmill,spring,roof ect. Cistern water leaving for home use is a short run where possible as a hand pump often the drawing source and is drawn from a sump usually. A gravity powered run to stock tanks would require of course pipes lower than cistern or at least floor level or just above if wanting to leave any possible sediment but for cattle why not keep bottom scoured with water and reduce sediment?. While tanks could be in an upper part of home or on legs to make easier withdrawals,the cistern ,here in midwest anyway was your "banked" water if the wind was off duty or no rain so keep it clean and secure. A stock tank at windmill or near other supply often the daily supply. A back up source and home use and additional remote tanks could cause multiple runs in a fancy operation. All that to say any tank should not be very deep.Especially its top level.Water seeks its own level and will flow down hill and can be pumped upwards.
Thanks for sharing your dig B.D.D..

 

[vor]

Well written post's. Good to see them. Interesting cement cap. Its similar in theory to some cannon barrels with bands or swells cast for strength. First thought was its a plug and center low groove would accommodate a leather or other strip like today's o-rings. Rather un simple for casual sealing what ever its designer was after. Does not seem like a quick home made piece. Flange looking ears on pipe could be a box wall of a stock tank or through wall wall pieces. Interesting cement work anyway and seem more elaborate than common. Would expense of grade/quality be suitable to waste lines,perhaps but it would require more money than press fit joints and a gob of material to plug a pipe.
But hey, its out of my realm and leading to my speculation. As follows. There have been tales of caches under feed bins."Average" cistern lid is ground level.Helps keep debris out if lid is removed for inspection. Boughten type were like a solid manhole cover turned till locking lugs centered in appropriate half moon recesses or similar to allow lid to be lifted off.Many were lean to,or porch floors keeping them roofed. A collar stood over lid in outdoor location with a lid might defend it from cattle but should be close to water source to reduce pipe runs and leaching for cleanliness sake. Windmill,spring,roof ect. Cistern water leaving for home use is a short run where possible as a hand pump often the drawing source and is drawn from a sump usually. A gravity powered run to stock tanks would require of course pipes lower than cistern or at least floor level or just above if wanting to leave any possible sediment but for cattle why not keep bottom scoured with water and reduce sediment?. While tanks could be in an upper part of home or on legs to make easier withdrawals,the cistern ,here in midwest anyway was your "banked" water if the wind was off duty or no rain so keep it clean and secure. A stock tank at windmill or near other supply often the daily supply. A back up source and home use and additional remote tanks could cause multiple runs in a fancy operation. All that to say any tank should not be very deep.Especially its top level.Water seeks its own level and will flow down hill and can be pumped upwards.
Thanks for sharing your dig B.D.D..

Excellent observations RC.

Whether cistern or septic, it would have a collar/lid near grade originally. It could possibly still be there and just buried over time. Either way it would be very near the homesite due to the fall required in either event.

Don't think that the metal has anything to do with these systems though, as it has no seal. I think you nailed it on your previous post.

While BDD sees my posts as negative, I just see them as what is reasonable and logical under the circumstances.

Very few depressions are previously dug treasure seeker holes so why make that assumption BDD? Oh, because there are diamonds, gold and silver buried there? That makes sense.

Keep digging BDD and keep us informed. You can count of us to help you along the way.

V

 

[Bigdogdad]

Excellent observations RC.

Whether cistern or septic, it would have a collar/lid near grade originally. It could possibly still be there and just buried over time. Either way it would be very near the homesite due to the fall required in either event.

Don't think that the metal has anything to do with these systems though, as it has no seal. I think you nailed it on your previous post.

While BDD sees my posts as negative, I just see them as what is reasonable and logical under the circumstances.

Very few depressions are previously dug treasure seeker holes so why make that assumption BDD? Oh, because there are diamonds, gold and silver buried there? That makes sense.

Keep digging BDD and keep us informed. You can count of us to help you along the way.

V

I have filled in a few old septic tanks. We busted the lid in and filled them with dirt. Someone may have done the same with the old cistern or they may have removed the cover first. A cistern would not be near the home site if it was near the barn. I already stated that this was the area where the barn was located.

The seal for the metal is gone. The valve pictured was found just below the hole in the pipe. It does not take Sherlock Holmes to figure out where it went and what it was used for.

Most of your posts are negative. Is the glass half full or half empty? vor would definitely say it is half empty.

Okay, so very few depressions are previously dug treasure seeker holes. Obviously some are and I have seen many. What's your point? I am only concerned about the one where I dug. I am glad it makes sense now to you.

I will keep digging and thank you so much for your help. I knew I could count on you.

You and ECS could always come up with reasons/excuses not to dig. Bad odds. Bad dig contract. No verification of previous owner's wealth. Too deep. Too hot. Too cold. Bad back. Too old. No time. Skeered. (pick one) or I am sure you could come up with lots more. If you can tell me how you yourself have successfully recovered buried treasure, that would be so helpful.

 

[Hot zone]

A cistern is a great place to conveniently bury treasure without expending a lot of energy doing it! The one doing the hiding could rest assured that no one would find it in a hundred years... Good luck BDD..

 

[Bigdogdad]

A cistern is a great place to conveniently bury treasure without expending a lot of energy doing it! The one doing the hiding could rest assured that no one would find it in a hundred years... Good luck BDD..

When treasure was buried long ago they had no idea that metal detectors would come into existence. For thousands of years people have been dowsing. I have been told that it is mentioned in the Bible. The Spanish had dip needles for locating things. I am working with both modern and ancient technology. I don't know if there is actually treasure buried at this site or if it has been over 100 years, but if it is there I hope to recover it. Thanks for the wish of good luck.

 

[vor]

I don't know if there is actually treasure buried at this site

What I thought that you said that you knew the EXACT location of the diamonds, gold and silver.

And the glass is not always either half full or half empty. Sometime it is just empty. Like holes.

V