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This is the basic Ellis story that Franklin brought to the discussion.
You need to ask him to elaborate, M Poe as he was friends with Ellis.
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You need to ask him to elaborate, M Poe as he was friends with Ellis.
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Ellis claims that she found this missing Beale :key" letter in the 1940's, not the 1840's.
Notice that the Planters Hotel in St Louis did not exist as a hotel since 1922, and was torn down in 1976, and the date given for this alleged visit of hers...should suffice as an answer.
If someone is "inventing facts" concerning this Brugh portrait, it is NOT me, M Poe.
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Notice that the Planters Hotel in St Louis did not exist as a hotel since 1922, and was torn down in 1976, and the date given for this alleged visit of hers...should suffice as an answer.
For the last time, ECS. The women has physic powers. I described on this forum where I went with her to the Blackhorse Tavern and saw the grave with the grass cut to the ground. She called the next morning and said the grass and weeds in that same location was waist high. I went to check it out and the grass was waist high. Physics can transcend time. I have seen and I know it can happen. So what is your problem. Also masterpoe was giving a rebuttal to your statement about the photograph. Since you dug up this whole can of worms. Why don't you answer him?
Also before photograph there was a number of hand painted pictures such as Peale's.
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I believe I have concerning the alleged Brugh portrait, who I might add, was NOT the proprietor of the St Louis Planters Hotel during the Beale time period.
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Take that up with Claudine Fulton Ellis. I have nothing further to do with that or you. It is in her book. Why can you not let anything go, I mean over and over. Get a life.
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Do not accuse any member of lying again.
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If, as you have stated many time, to determine if the Beale story and treasure is real or just a story, one must remove the misinformation and lore that surrounds this tale that gets repeated as fact.
At one time it was posted that the signer of the Declaration of Independence, Robert Morris Jr, was related to the Robert Morriss of the Beale Papers, which was proven to be wrong, and discarded as fact.
The same with the Academy of Fine Arts building at 600 Main Street, Lynchburg, that was claimed to have been the home of Robert Moriss but was discarded as fact after it was proven that it built in 1905, forty years after his death.
At one time it was posted that the signer of the Declaration of Independence, Robert Morris Jr, was related to the Robert Morriss of the Beale Papers, which was proven to be wrong, and discarded as fact.
The same with the Academy of Fine Arts building at 600 Main Street, Lynchburg, that was claimed to have been the home of Robert Moriss but was discarded as fact after it was proven that it built in 1905, forty years after his death.
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I would call it more of a monothetical mental leap. Or just a brain fart! Never would I say ECS was lying, for he actually thinks it's true.
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Please reread post #122, and you will realize it is not just what I "think is true", it is what is true.
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Ellis claims that she found this missing Beale :key" letter in the 1940's, not the 1840's.
Notice that the Planters Hotel in St Louis did not exist as a hotel since 1922, and was torn down in 1976, and the date given for this alleged visit of hers...should suffice as an answer.
If someone is "inventing facts" concerning this Brugh portrait, it is NOT me, M Poe.
For your Information, you need to read Claudine Fulton Ellis' book, "The Beale Treasure, The Key." She said she found the "KEY" at the Blackhorse Tavern on Tinker Creek in Roanoke, Va., not at the Planter's Hotel in St. Louis. Just read.
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What about the post where you stated that she went to St Louis and visited the Planters Hotel and saw the portrait of George Radar Brugh, the proprietor of this hotel during the Beale period( Evarist Maury was owner and proprietor 1822-1832), and Beale giving him the "key" letter to deliver to Morriss?
I am aware of where she claimed to have found the "key" letter, and never stated that she found the "key" letter at the Planters Hotel.
It is the Planters Hotel visit that is in question, since it ceased being a hotel 11 years before Ellis was born, the name was changed to the COTTON BUILDING 3 years before she was born, and was demolished in 1976.
I am aware of where she claimed to have found the "key" letter, and never stated that she found the "key" letter at the Planters Hotel.
It is the Planters Hotel visit that is in question, since it ceased being a hotel 11 years before Ellis was born, the name was changed to the COTTON BUILDING 3 years before she was born, and was demolished in 1976.
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The Planters Hotel on Second street in St Louis ceased operations sometimes in the early 1830's, for a group of investors including several fur traders who started an early St Louis bank, funded a new Planters Hotel in 1836 to be built on Fourth and Pine in St Louis, which opened in 1841, with Messers Stickley and McKnight as co-proprietors.
There is NO mention of George Radar Brugh as ever being proprietor or associated with the Planters Hotel of St Louis.
If you have documentation outside of Ellis proving Brugh's involvement with the Planters Hotel, please provide it.
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What key? Nobody has ever even seen this "alleged" key, no trace of it's alleged existence has ever been discovered. The only source of this alleged key is in the author's narration, no other outside confirmation has ever been discovered, and all other unconfirmed claims come from sources after the publication, all of these "completely unsupported" sources all being related to projects for profit.
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Are we now able to put this George Radar Brugh's murder by Ebenezer Nelms to prevent the letter from being delivered to Robert Morriss to rest as lore presented as fact?
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Look, it all comes back to the total lack of any provenance in support of the tale. This is why so much of this other unsupported stuff can even exist, and exactly why it does exist because there is absolutely zero provenance in connection with the tale to prove it wrong. Smart and crafty authors are/were fully aware of this, this is why they can claim anything they want, and why they have. 
It's also why it is still being done even today.
It's also why it is still being done even today.
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