Opinions on this KGC "Vault"

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Hi Matt. It is definitely something much bigger. The KGC treasures were buried in a very intricate and systematic method. The smaller "marker caches" are buried such that when plotted on a grid form a way to locate the huge caches known as depositories. Most of these treasures were hidden or re-hidden many years after the Civil War ended.
~Texas Jay
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So, where does that bring is today? Why isn't the KGC recollecting the cache? Or, are they waiting till the time is right? I guess that's where the watchers come in. This brings in a new danger for treasure hunters and historians. I guess finding a cache is easier than keeping it.
Let's all be careful out there.
 

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swiftfan said:
So, where does that bring is today? Why isn't the KGC recollecting the cache? Or, are they waiting till the time is right? I guess that's where the watchers come in. This brings in a new danger for treasure hunters and historians. I guess finding a cache is easier than keeping it.
Let's all be careful out there.
Pretty accurate assement on your part .Caution is advised to all .
 

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Swift, I have not communicated in a while, but I have been following the thread closley. I am happy your doing ok. Sorry, but I never could get anything regarding that car tag number. Regardless, keep the nose down and good luck. I hope you find it all when ya open the vault!!
 

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Hi Guys!

I was able to get out to the vault one day last week with a friend (after we finished excavating Swift's Rich Mine). I spent the day simply looking at/around/on top of the vault and am glad I did.

It seems that if we had gotten the bottom rocks removed from the pillars, a huge "section" of rock would have fallen on us (that was located under the pointing hand)! Unfortunately, this is going to have to be removed before we can enter the vault.

Also, I think I found a map of the inside of the vault carved on the vault wall. I also noticed heavy laurel death on top of the vault and in one other place on the main clift (where the map indicated a second cache was inside the vault). All the laurel around the vault besides these two areas was green and happy, except of course these two spots (which I believe is from the gases emitted by the gold inside the vault).

I have been playing phone tag with Truckinbutch a bit. However, from his last message, it seems he might get down here week after next. In the meantime, that carved "pumpkin face" on the vault seems to be old Quantrill laughing at us!

At the stone house, we did some excavating and found a spring that had had some very old clay pipe inside it. I assumed this was where the crew got their fresh drinking/cooking water from. It also lends some evidence to the name I believe I found for the depository - "Elk Springs, Quantrill's Mystery" depository. There are around 3 springs very close to the stone house and markings in the area and there were several Elk in the area before 1900.

21st - thanks for looking up the tag number for me btw. It is weird that the tag was not registered, but I thought something like that might happen IF the two were "watchers"!

Some of you guys seem to have the same train of thought I have - the real reason for these depositories is MUCH BIGGER than a second Civil War. I believe it goes back much further as well - to a Masonic/Templar "New Jerusalem" in the USA!
 

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BTW - there was a rather interesting two hour Templar special on the History Channel last night that touched on the hint of the "New Jerusalem" Templar goal. It didn't even go into much detail however. The did show some artifacts found from Burrow's Cave in IL, but didn't even mention Burrow's or call the site/cave Burrow's Cave. They mostly tried to discredit the find, except for the person with the artifacts, who did not get much talk time unfortunately. Personally, I don't believe the Burrow's Cave find had anything whatsoever to do with the Templars.
 

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Swiftsearcher, I watched that program, too, and thought it was filled with naysayers claiming the rune stones were faked. Guess those fools think that only THEY find the real deal finds.
Also, they gave too much credit to the Sinclairs in the battles fought by Robert of Bruce in the fight for Scotland's independence. They claimed that the Sinclairs were trying to take his body to be buried in Jerusalem, but that is wrong. One of my direct ancestors, Sir James Douglas was the second in command to Robert the Bruce. Sir Robert got Sir James' word that if anything happened to him, then Sir James would bury his heart in Jerusalem; not his body. When Robert of Bruce was killed in a battle, Sir James had his heart placed in a small silver box and was leading his men to the Holy Land to fulfill his promise to Sir Robert when they got into a big battle in Spain, with the Moors. Sir James Douglas was killed in that battle and his body and the silver box holding Sir Robert's heart war returned to Scotland where they were buried. This is how Sir James' Douglas clan came to have this family crest.

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When they began talking about "New Jerusalem", my ears perked up because of some of your previous posts on this thread.
 

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I haven't posted much about it yet. However, I made a BIG FIND at Swift's Rich Mine - linking the Swift mines/story to all of this (New Jeruselum, Masons, Templars, etc.)! I am keeping shut now for the most part about this and expect to find even more proof of this when we are inside the KGC vault.

I have researched quite a bit lately, from the Bible to the REAL Israel, to Templars, to Masons, to KGC. The proof I have found might link the Templars to knowing that the REAL Israelites are anglo-saxon peoples from Northern Europe and wanting America for a NEW JERUSELUM for these peoples. IF this is what all of this leads to (Templars, Masons, KGC, etc.), then the goal is NOT as sinister as a New World Order or anything to deal with the Antichrist. However, the "inner circle" might have different plans.

Simply reading the Old Testament will tell you that the people we call "Jews" today are NOT Israel, that God was angry with the REAL Israelites for worshipping other Gods (Fallen Angels) - ie: Celts, Druids, etc. (most "mainstream" Zionist Christians take this that God was angry at Jews for denieing Jesus, but this could NOT be the case, as God was angry at Israel BEFORE Jesus was even born - again, for worshipping other Gods!). Also, the Chosen Land in the Old Testament seems to point to the British Isles and America (which the REAL Israelites later migrated to the lands promised them during the Exodus - British Isles and their "younger brother" America or Ephraim). If one reads the New Testament, their is much more proof of this, as well as Jesus telling the "Jews" they are NOT from the seed of Abraham, but their father - Satan.

I don't really know exactly what the depositories were/are for. However, I am certain they were never intended for a second Civil War as we are led to believe. They are still guarded by people with much power, so they must have been put back for something yet to happen. They might have been put back to help TRUE Israelites during the Tribulation. If the inner circle had been infiltrated by others, the caches might be put back to persecute TRUE Israelites during the Tribulation and help the Antichrist/NWO. We don't really know. All of this is speculation for the most part. The only thing I am certain of, again, is that these depositories were NOT put back for a second Civil War as thought!

With all the Zionists controlling/misleading America today, these caches/intent just might have been put back for a type of "Civil War" of truth - exposing the TRUE Israelites and finally establishing a "Second Jeruselum" in America. The intent might have been to overthrow the Zionists in a type of "Civil War" and turn America (Ephraim) into the land God had promised! If so, this really has no relation to the NWO and would be good (according to the Bible). I guess time will tell however, as we can only speculate for now.
 

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Swiftsearcher, I've enjoyed your postings on this thread, but be very careful writing about the Bible, God, and other religious comments. Jeff will delete this thread; especially if someone whines about it. Another thread by REBEL--KGC was just deleted, even though we were discussing the paranormal and mentioned a couple of names in religion.
I'm just offering this point in friendship. I like your posts and I'm rooting for you to find that "Big Ticket" cache. :thumbsup:
 

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I caught the last half of the History Channel program about the Knights Templar last night. I only wish I had recorded the entire program. I noticed several specific things about the Knights Templar that, when compared with other evidence I have found from the Knights of the Golden Circle, proves that the KGC was descended from not only the Revolutionary Sons of Liberty but from the Knights Templar before them! Previous to this, I had not given much thought to the stories that the Knights Templar had travelled to America before Columbus was credited with discovering it. I won't go into much detail about this on public sites such as this because I would have to give out more information about my prospective depository areas and the symbols related to them than I want to at this time.
~Texas Jay
 

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Texas Jay said:
I caught the last half of the History Channel program about the Knights Templar last night. I only wish I had recorded the entire program. I noticed several specific things about the Knights Templar that, when compared with other evidence I have found from the Knights of the Golden Circle, proves that the KGC was descended from not only the Revolutionary Sons of Liberty but from the Knights Templar before them! Previous to this, I had not given much thought to the stories that the Knights Templar had travelled to America before Columbus was credited with discovering it. I won't go into much detail about this on public sites such as this because I would have to give out more information about my prospective depository areas and the symbols related to them than I want to at this time.
~Texas Jay

I'm new to all of this stuff but greatly interested, I saw the program on History too! I was wondering is the KGC Treasure linked at all to the Templar Treasure from Solomon's Temple? I'd like it if you could put it in layman's terms. LOL I though the theory that the Templars brought knowledge to the Americas was a load of BS. In 1398 who would they share knowledge with? There was no one here! I believe in the treasure and would love to know of some interesting books/resources on the subject, if anyone has any? Thanks! Also what is the legend of the Swift Mines?
 

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Hi DAS7NY. I must admit that I have not studied the possible links between the KGC and the Knights Templar too closely but that will change this fall and winter when I'm not out in the field working on my KGC leads, metal detecting for lost valuables, or working in my Yahoo group. :)
Bob Brewer touched on the subjects at the end of his book "Rebel Gold" and his bibliography is full of very reliable sources that you may find interesting and informative. I just found this website today that you might want to read.

http://www.themasonictrowel.com/Art...emplar/discoveries_of_the_knights_templar.htm

~Texas Jay
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O.K. guys, there is an old Indian legend of the white Indian. And the battle where the last of their kind was defeated somewhere on or near the Ohio river. This was even before the spainish came to the new world. Could this be the supposed escaped Templars? We may never know. But it could also be the reported Nordic clans sailing to North America years before Columbus. Just thought someone else would know this story, and add to this discussion.
 

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Swiftfan:

It is too bad that the area you are referring to must be what is now
The Falls of the Ohio Wildlife Conservation Area. The Army Corps of
Engineers have obliterated the site where the battle took place. The site
was once a crossing point for bison when the White Indians/Templars
were about. The Louisville newspaper has reported the existence of
alligators, crocodiles and piranha there. A 6 foot long octopus was
pulled in by a catfisherman but was later proved to have been planted
by a college student.

lastleg
 

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DAS7NY, the KGC is probably linked to the Knights Templar through the Masonic Lodge (especially the Scottish Rite). Personally, I believe that if there is any Knights Templar treasure here, it is more than likely on Oak Island. The Burrow's Cave finds are probably linked to something else (my guess is an advanced civilization here before Noah's flood).

As for Swift's Mines, you can do a Google search and come up with some general information. It is too long of a story for me to type here, but, basically consists of Mundy and Swift mining rich Silver/Gold ore in the Appalachian Mountains during the 1760's.

As far as Templars/Masons, there IS a direct connection. Both the Templars and high ranking masons today have a ceremony in which a head (Baphomet) is used. The original head (some say the actual physical head of Jesus - a good book to read is "Head of God" or John the Baptist) was found/owned by the Templars supposedly at the Temple Mount, along with other treasures (some say the Holy Grail and treasures from the Temple, including the real Ark of the Covenant). The head supposedly talks to the people during the ceremony. Anyway, it is a fact the Templars were rich and the treasures they had were not found during their executions.

This Templar/Masonic connection is also relevant to many of us, as all of the "Inner Circle" of KGC members were high ranking Masons. Also, this is relevant to Swift, as Swift was more than likely a Mason, who founded the George Washington Society (and we know George was a Mason).

I have some more "wild theories" as well that date back even further and have been in touch with Roger Snow in the past to substantiate the main theory. Some of these mines/caches go back well over a thousand years to the time of Solomon and before! I am not speaking of KGC depositories directly. However, one might find some of this ancient treasure/technology in a KGC depository, as the KGC were notorious treasure hunters and somehow (maybe their Masonic/Templar connections) knew where a lot of these old treasures were hidden and placed them in their (KGC) depositories. In the book "Jesse James Was One of His Names", Jesse is quoted reading a treasure book that came out in the 1930's (I believe without looking back through the book) that the author knew his stuff about these treasures and locations, but the KGC and James had gotten over 90% of them already! Also, the KGC is suppose to have found an Aztec treasure and deposited it somewhere in TX! Now, back to the subject of even older treasures/mines in the Americas! We KNOW the Phoenicians were here in ancient times, as their descendants, Melungeons, still exist. Supposedly, these people came here during the time Solomon was searching for materials for his Temple and aided Solomon in getting here (they were great sailors) and mining ore. There is also evidence that these minerals Solomon sought in the Americas were known to him and go back even further to pre-flood times during advance civilizations (when Fallen Angels mated with daughters of men (Adam - Humans) and created Giants and other abominations such as half human half animal/plant "people" that angered God - in other words, they were very advanced and carrying out genetic experiments with different species and mating with human women to create Giants). This Pre-Flood Civilization was more advanced than we are today (hence, the stories of Atlantis being destroyed by water relate to Noah's Flood). Roger Snow has told me his father and he have even seen some of this "advanced technology" from this civilization in some of the treasure chambers (in the book 100 Tons of Gold, Mr. Snow talks about finding stuff in a treasure cave in NM that he could not go into detail about - some of this ancient technology, according to Roger). However, the Govt. was/is after this and has confiscated most of it through torture and murder. The govt. confiscated most of this treasure/technology in the 1900's, so, we might assume that the KGC, with their "inside knowledge" from their Masonic connections, also found some in the 1800's and might have hidden this treasure/technology in some of their depositories as well.

The main reason I went back so far in time during the last paragraph was to make a connection that to "certain initiates" ancient treasures and mines were known (Solomon knew of them and their whereabouts, as well as others - high ranking Templars and Masons).

Sitchin's books touch on this some as well (the ancient mining). Sitchin, however, believes these Fallen Angels as "Gods" and I differ with him there, as they are simply what we would call Angels or Fallen Angels that followed Satan. However, he does present some good evidence of the "Fallen Angels" mining precious ores in Pre-Flood times.
 

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Swifty:

Does your "research" incidate whether any "Fallen Angels" survived the
Flood? What if they "flew" their ore to a mountain peak like McKinley?
Now that might be worth checking out. Anyway the wait is almost over.
A bunch of THers are sitting on the edge of their barstools until the
conclusion.

lastleg
 

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Yep lastleg, the falls of the Ohio. Seems there used to be an island in the middle of the river that was only there when the water was low. I think that's the way I remember. Also, there were " mammoth bones"? found there in the early 1800's? I hate to find out that the area was destroyed...
 

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The Phoenicians were in America? Please elaborate! Any evidence? I'm just interested. Also what do you mean by fallen angels?
 

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Good evening DAS,

A lot of unsupported rhetoric has been advanced on this subject. Some
are so outragious it makes me feel I'm a kid again. "Let's play like" y'know?

lastleg
 

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DAS7NY said:
The Phoenicians were in America? Please elaborate! Any evidence? I'm just interested. Also what do you mean by fallen angels?
There too many anomalies in evidence to accept the conventional academic theories of our history . Convention says if it doesn't fit : discount it and uphold what your masters have taught you .
 

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