Opinions on this KGC "Vault"

[katsaros]

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The "sealed entrance" 100%.

the eye

 

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[Old Dog]

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IMHO, the best man for the job.

 

[truckinbutch]

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IMHO, the best man for the job.

Now I got to live up to your opinion or make you out a liar Thanks for the recommendation , my friend . I shall try to not let either of you down .
Jim

 

[Shortstack]

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swiftsearcher, I've read all of the postings on this thread and find the whole project really fascinating.
I have a couple of questions, though. You mentioned that this site is on land belonging to a relative. Does this relative have this land posted? Do they allow just anybody who wants, to roam around on the property? If the land is posted, then lay an ambush for those horse riders and put them under "citizens arrest" and take them in to the law. Here in Mississippi, trespassing fines START at about $400 a person. Doing this would also identify these people and give you a lead on who they work for.
A recent poster suggested that you get an archery set for noiseless self-protection. Not a bad idea, but you'd need to practice until you can hit a man-sized target out to about 100 yards. An alternative would be a silenced rifle. Do you know that a lawabiding citizen can get a license to own a silenced weapon? Actually, the license it for owning the silencer adaptor. It can be changed from one rifle to another. The cost is $250 for the license and the cost of the silencer will probably run another $250 and more---or you can make your own if you're good at "making stuff".
There is an arms manufacturer who makes silenced weapons for sale to licensed buyers. They are Advanced Armament Corp. Check them out at www.advanced-armament.com
Good luck with your project and God speed.

 

[Springfield]

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...I will just sit on the sidelines until somebody brings something plausible into the discussion that would validate their views

Unfortunately, you won't find it here, SWR.

Swiftsearcher's ardor, excitement and certainty, and that of his supporters, indicates that he may have indeed located clues to one of the many mysteries loosely grouped into the catagory of 'KGC treasure', and further identified as one of the 'legendary' lost treasures so tantalizing to afficionados (Lost Swift Mine in this case). As a new generation of searchers has discovered in the past couple decades or so, distinct rock carvings, strategically-placed manmade objects and natural landmarks forming geometric patterns and other associations do indeed exist in the vicinity of well-known treasure legends. A conspiracy linking many seemingly unrelated sites becomes obvious when the evidence is examined. Nobody is arguing these points - the evidence is overwhelming and demonstrable even to the stubborn skeptics (if they care to look). While the clues are easy enough to find with perseverence, three questions arise: what do the clues represent, who placed them, and what was their motivation?

This is the stone wall that the serious searchers eventually come to and which has not been solved, or at least revealed. I say 'stone wall' because, despite the certainty of claimants that their clues have been interpretted and the location of their target has been determined, there have been no major recoveries, only a series of empty holes. In addition, there has not been an identification of those who created the clues or an explanation of their reasons for doing so. There has been a wealth of speculation about this shadowy group, based on 'historical research', a few published books and plenty of internet chatter, but the topic remains a mystery even to the serious few who know a lot more that we will ever see posted on a public forum. Best wishes to Swiftsearcher in his quest. As many a searcher can attest, "Things are seldom as they seem".

 

[lastleg]

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Wheather it be from los ninos or las ninas the arrival of two lumineries
from the western ranges is greatly applauded. Maybe the lull of recent
activity and the worsening turn of legislation makes this topic the only
game in town right now.

What baffles me is the nearly universal concept of perpetual 'hiddeness'
of these legends. Position of these caches was handed down in strict
confidence for over a century. Somewhere along the way human avarice
could have overcome the 'pledge'.

Can anyone explain why such storehouses were not plundered as the
South lay in ruins?

lastleg

 

[Texas Jay]

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Hi lastleg. I will attempt to give at least a partial answer to your question:

"What baffles me is the nearly universal concept of perpetual 'hiddeness'
of these legends. Position of these caches was handed down in strict
confidence for over a century. Somewhere along the way human avarice
could have overcome the 'pledge'.
Can anyone explain why such storehouses were not plundered as the
South lay in ruins?"

While the "South lay in ruins", as you factually state, the Knights of the Golden Circle's plans were not in ruins at all. The KGC existed before, during, and for many years after the War ended. Some high Northern leaders of the KGC were put on trial after the War ended but the KGC only handed the leadership roles, these Northern men held, over to highly capable and proven leaders in the South.
The "pledge" or oath was a "blood oath" which included a humiliating and disgraceful death for any member who violated it. Only the highest leaders and trusted sentinels knew the locations of these depositories. They were under constant watch, by these sentinels, for many, many years after the War ended. Part of the sentinels' job included executing anyone who attempted to locate and remove treasure from these sites should they somehow stumble across one. Stumbling across an actual cache was rare because of the complicated codes and symbols that were used. The huge caches or depositories were often booby trapped and securely concealed as is swiftsearcher's vault.
~Texas Jay

 

[lastleg]

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Jay, every last one of us is secretly or openly pulling for Swifty.

 

[truckinbutch]

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Jay, every last one of us is secretly or openly pulling for Swifty.

I am openly pulling 'for' enough to have committed to 'boots on the ground' help when I was invited to participate . All results will be generated by swiftsearcher . I have no intention of answering
any questions pertaining to this site .
Jim

 

[Old Dog]

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Can anyone explain why such storehouses were not plundered as the
South lay in ruins?

lastleg

Too many naysayers getting their opinion publicised,
if what they say is true why look at all?

 

[lastleg]

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Old Dog:

The answer to that is as plain as the snout on your avatar . . . the thrill of
the hunt.

 

[Old Dog]

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Old Dog:

The answer to that is as plain as the snout on your avatar . . . the thrill of
the hunt.

That in a nut shell is why you find so many holes where the signs tell you to look,
the naysayers put themselves and us in a position where info is hoarded,
and proof is not needed to anyone who feels they are justified in their hunt.
When help is asked for ... you have naysayers fighting with all of their pumped up evidence to convince all ...
That the hunt is pointless and anyone making such a search is nothing less than stupid because of their implications.

Hey, I resemble that.
LOL
Thom

 

[truckinbutch]

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Evenso ,following these fantasies beats a poke in the eye with a sharp stick or wallowing on the couch in your own wastes when your own infirmaties and attitude consume you .

 

[VICTORIO]

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I am Happy to stand in the places and touch with my own hands what was made by individuals who are long gone. No one can take from me the time I have spent with my dad, wife and three boys out in the field looking for these signs. It beats sitting at home flipping between, the discovery channel, History channel, and the weather channel.If we ever find the gold it will just be more icing on the cake. I already have " MY " Treasure !!!

 

[truckinbutch]

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I am Happy to stand in the places and touch with my own hands what was made by individuals who are long gone. No one can take from me the time I have spent with my dad, wife and three boys out in the field looking for these signs. It beats sitting at home flipping between, the discovery channel, History channel, and the weather channel.If we ever find the gold it will just be more icing on the cake. I already have " MY " Treasure !!!

Will the congregation please rise and assist me in a big AMEN

 

[Springfield]

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That in a nut shell is why you find so many holes where the signs tell you to look, [the dreamers will tell you that someone followed the signs and dug up the loot; in reality, someone misinterpretted the signs and dug yet another empty hole]

the naysayers put themselves and us in a position where info is hoarded, [valid information is hoarded; unproven speculation is freely distributed]

and proof is not needed to anyone who feels they are justified in their hunt. [Boy, Howdy!]

When help is asked for ... you have naysayers fighting with all of their pumped up evidence to convince all ...
That the hunt is pointless and anyone making such a search is nothing less than stupid because of their implications.

[I don't remember anyone accusing searchers as being stupid for searching. On the contrary, the quest is everything, after all. I'll caution the naive, however, to be discriminating about the free advice offered on this forum and others pertaining to the solutions to their mysteries. A guy could spend years chasing his tail based on internet nonsense when that time could have been better spent using his own noodle to educate himself]

 

[lastleg]

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Springfield, thanks for the dose of common sense. Conjecture is very
popular and entertaining. I don't want to rain on the enthusiasm going
on. Total disclosure can be both exciting and risky. Is monitoring a
hidden risk to the full disclosurites? Re/Lost Treasure/Oct09?

lastleg

 

[swiftsearcher]

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Sorry guys/gals for taking down some of my posts in this thread and pics. I had received several PM's/e-mails/phone calls from different concerned members stating I was putting too much information on here about the site. I respect the thought/opinions of these people and appreciated their concern for me and others that are or will be working this site (the vault). I was actually torn between disclosure and wanting people to give their opinions on meanings of different signs and the facts that posting this information before entering the vault and seeing if anything is there that it might be harmful to the entry of the vault.

So, I decided, for now, to delete some posts/pics of the "vault". Whenever entry is gained, I will post on here pics and let everyone know if there is anything there to some degree, as there are several people following this thread. I have also thought about writing a few pages on the different signs that led me to the vault and the meanings I associated with them (some with the help from members here). I will copy these pages and forward them, upon request, to others who have been helpful and considerate in my threads - hopefully they will help you guys/gals at your sites (it might not, as, according to HBB, the KGC used at least three different methods to mark caches - first Spanish, then another method, then, later, they went to using topo grids). I can tell you I have used mostly Spanish interpretations at my site, as most of the treasure sign books I own are on Spanish signs. They have worked for me so far and led me to the vault (though, of course, I don't know if the vault actually contains anything yet and we have found one false door on it already - at the very beginning of our work).

I believe, from my research and findings in the field that we ALL learn something new every day - this especially holds true with the KGC. Until someone finds some key information (possibly at some depository) and reveals it, most people will be in the dark on a lot of this key information regarding caches/depositories. IF I ever find any "information" inside the vault or elsewhere, I would gladly share it with certain persons whom have been extremely helpful to me and supportive! To these individuals, I apologize for taking my posts/pics down here, but will keep you informed in the future after entry is gained. Until then, I have to agree with the many people who contacted me and not post anything that might interrupt our entry. I wish you all luck and look forward to posting after entry has been made! Scott Elkins (Swiftsearcher)

 

[truckinbutch]

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Less said the better .

 

[Texas Jay]

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swiftsearcher: I agree completely with your limiting what you say over the Net. You and your partners are doing an excellent job and many of us are pulling for your ultimate success.
Keep up the good work !
~Texas Jay