Opinions on this KGC "Vault"

[Old Dog]

Re: Opinions on this KGC "Vault"

I have made note of several trail cams
and some motion sensors connected to remote bluetooth stuff.
these thing have nothing to do with the BLM or the Fish and Game.
If so they would have ID on them.
These are completely clean.
within 20 minutes there is a lot of traffic in the area.

 

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[Texas Jay]

Re: Opinions on this KGC "Vault"

SWR: You have to get up off of the sofa and get out in the field if you want to see the proof for yourself.
~Texas Jay

 

[Old Dog]

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I will just sit on the sidelines until somebody brings something plausible into the discussion that would validate their views

...you may assume anything you wish. I'll not banter such pointless inquires.

 

[lastleg]

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SWR: I humbly suggest that maybe now is the time to air the KGC
controversy since many of the players are in attendence. Swift, I am
pleased that you have on your own discovered the Jeff Rense Program.
If all involved in this discussion would get up to date the thread might
proceed 'swiftly' to a logical conclusion.

Texas Jay has uncovered astounding hidden history on this subject as
well. It has now been theorized that Jesse James, who incidentaly was
of Jewish descent, was Treasurer of the Knights of the Golden Circle.
OK, now that's out in the open but even more exciting is that after Jesse
faked his own assasination he continued to add to the Treasury.

Did the KGC get financial aid from the Rothschild/Illuminati? The reason
to hold this view becomes somewhat logical in light of assasinations and
attempts on US Presidents starting with Mr. Lincoln. The KGC fingerprint
is suspicious but more alarming when you consider later attacks on certain
Presidents with anti-Zionist persuasions.

I surmise Swiftsearcher is confusing the Rothschild involvement in the
control of the US and International money supply with a much later birthed
secret organization labeled the New World Order. It is hard to imagine
the KGC, which was founded upon pro-slavery ideals, desiring a World
Government usurping their plantation based plans in the takeover of
Mexico. However the Zionist bankers in England may have found this
concept appealing.

None of this proves the existence of the 'Vault' in question. How hard
could it be to employ a magnometer to detect a large cache of metals?
Sometimes earnest searchers are loathe to find an empty cavity and seek
guidance endlessly to delay the event.

In closing Swiftsearcher, were you referring to Marcellus Jerome Clarke,
alias "Sue Mundy" of Civil War fame?

Sincerely,
lastleg

 

[Kentucky Kache]

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Swiftsearcher, while the money is controlled by the Rothschilds, etc., and they are indeed Jews, they are not Israel. Israel is God's NATION. The guys you refer to are Jews, who work out of nations other than Israel. So, please don't confuse these renegade Jews with Israel. If you want to see the real Israel, look at who was brought back from captivity and made a nation again after 2,500 years, according to prophesy.

 

[lastleg]

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Kentucky Kache:

How do you reconcile the nation of Israel with the Books of the New
Testament? Just curious.

 

[Kentucky Kache]

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Kentucky Kache:

How do you reconcile the nation of Israel with the Books of the New
Testament? Just curious.

Israel rejected the Lord, and are estranged from Him for a time. They are coming back to Him. They are already a Nation again, and soon they will recognize who He is. The books of the New Testament, as well as the old, teaches this.

I don't want to get too much into that here. I was just referring to what Swiftsearcher said about Israel. Timberwolf has a site where you can talk more about these things.

 

[swiftsearcher]

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Kentucky Kache - I don't really want to argue Religion here. However, the Bible clearly states that in the last days, people will claim to be Israel, but are NOT and are the Synagogue of Satan (please refer to Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 to hear Jesus himself speak of this). After Armageddon, Jesus will establish the new Israel with his chosen people - the CHRISTIANS who accepted him. In fact, the Bible is full of references by Jesus where he tells "Jews" they are NOT God's chosen people, but are from their father - SATAN! Jesus states that if they were from the seed of Abraham, they would recognize him and love him, but they do not, b/c they are from their father's (Satan's) seed! Jesus also clearly states that people who are really descended from the seed of Abraham love HIM and realize he is the Messiah (and, of course, these would be CHRISTIANS - not anyone living in Israel today, claiming to be a Jew). Again, my examples are not my words, but the words of JESUS CHRIST himself in the New Testament (and I prefer to believe Jesus Christ over any "preacher" or the Zionist media myself). Also, if you read the Bible, you are well aware of the description given of Jesus Christ himself - BLONDE HAIR AND TANNED SKIN - I have yet to see a blonde haired "Jew" or Khazar! We KNOW that Jesus Christ was from the seed of David and a REAL "JEW", so, if Jesus had blonde hair, why do NO "Jews" today have blonde hair? I will tell you why - it is just as Jesus himself stated - they are NOT from the seed of Abraham, but of their father - SATAN!

BTW - I have researched this a LOT! There is actually some debate amongst knowledgeable scholars of the Lost Tribes over the true location of the Israel mentioned in the Bible - many believe it is Ireland (the land of milk and honey and the land where Moses' daughter, Scotia, settled!)! Ireland is North of Egypt and I don't think it would have taken so long for the real Israelites to have traveled to Israel. It seems that the Templars were WELL AWARE of this and that is the reason they went to Scotland! Again, this is a hard one to prove either way for certain, as the Zionists have corrupted our views - we are blind, as the Bible states, but more will realize their true heritage before the Tribulation! Also, you speak of the Israel prophecy - the reason it is not fullfilled yet is b/c the CORRECT God's Chosen are not there - these "Jews" have been there since 1947, plus, the new temple has to be erected as well. Also, the real ISRAEL might not be where we think it is today (please see my links in the post below this one).

Here are some scriptures for you to ponder. This is NOT me talking, but JESUS CHRIST himself!


I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer . . . be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. . . . Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. Revelation 2:9-10, 3:9.

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? Matthew 23:27-33.


Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God. John 8:39-47.

 

[swiftsearcher]

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Here is a great site to check out about the TRUE ISRAELITES and, also included is a Google search. After reading over this, you SHOULD know who the true lost tribes are - mostly Northern Europeans, many of which migrated to the US.

http://www.rogerswebsite.com/articles/Israel-History.htm


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...ey+moses+scotia+the+real+israel&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

 

[swiftsearcher]

Re: Opinions on this KGC "Vault"

I just stumbled across this on Floyd's website. I, and MANY others, consider Floyd not only a nice guy, but a KGC EXPERT. It seems that he too believes there might be some "Illuminati" link to the KGC higher ups! This is the same theory I was mocked for by a couple in this thread! The following is a page from Floyd's site about this:

We may NEVER know the full history of the KGC ! More and more "secret" papers and documents are discovered yearly.

MANY people just do not want to believe that the KGC even existed ( or STILL exists ? )----no matter how much proof you show them !

I believe that enough documentation exists to prove that the KGC and the Masons were definitely "somehow" related. Were the Masons and Templars "related" ? YES !

How about the ILLUMINATI ? How about other Secret Societies ? A researcher needs to study all of the material they can obtain---in order to come to their own conclusions.

Does the history of the KGC go back about 150 years? Or HUNDREDS of years ? Is "World Domination" the conspiracy behind most of these Secret Societies ?

We may never know ! If a group "higher up" and "stronger" than the KGC is currently in charge of protecting the larger KGC depositories ---to be removed by THEM at a later date---you could run into some trouble if you mess around with the largest depositories ! I'm just guessing ( my personal opinion ) that you won't get in trouble just looking for ( and maybe recovering ) the smaller caches.

Do searches on www.google.com for: (1) Secret Societies, (2) Illuminati, (3) Conspiracy. You should find a LOT of links to study.

Here are some links to get you started:

KGC, KKK, etc:
http://www.subversiveelement.com/underworldMojave2~ns4.html
http://www.savetheusa.net/neonazi.txt
http://davidicke.www.50megs.com/icke/magazine/vol10/articles/opryt.html
http://www.larouchepub.com/other/1998/kkk_in_doj.html

MASONS:
http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/index.html
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/genesis4.htm
http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/north_american_gene_history/55534
http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/north_american_gene_history/67905

TEMPLARS:
http://www.alienzoo.com/conspiracytheory/knightstemplar.html

ILLUMINATI:
http://216.219.161.193/main/bigsearch/luminati.html
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/illuminati.htm
http://www.seekgod.ca/nonew.htm
http://www.skepdic.com/illuminati.html
http://www.prolognet.qc.ca/clyde/illumin.htm
http://www.illuminati-news.com/
http://www.masonicinfo.com/illuminati.htm
http://www.davidicke.net/tellthetruth/research/fagan.html
http://home.earthlink.net/~whm/newam.html

NEW WORLD ORDER, etc:
http://216.219.161.193/main/bigsearch/conspiracies.html
http://216.219.161.193/main/bigsearch/newworldorder.html
http://216.219.161.193/main/bigsearch/myth-1.html
http://www.williamcooper.com/adl1.htm
http://home.earthlink.net/~whm/download.txt
http://www.tetrahedron.org/news/jewish_hate.html
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ctrl/
http://www.eskimo.com/~joelm/tempest.html
http://www.worldofthestrange.com/nlv432.html
http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/backmatter.html

 

[lastleg]

Re: Opinions on this KGC "Vault"

Swiftsearcher,

Even though I am not in on a split (at least not yet) I have an idea about
security. The "rock house" could provide shelter for you and/or Ralph when
it is time to break into the 'vault'. You might want to spend a night there
doing recon to see if you can spot either a watcher or a sentinal. Instead
of firearms you could have crossbows to scare off intruders.

If after a one or two night recon without spotting activity, using the "rock
house" as a stronhold, you can proceed to the extraction. I would still go
to the site after sundown and bed down in the 'house' to make sure no one
else was about. Then at first light it should be safe to proceed.

You may or may not believe in dowsing but on your next visit take some
metal rods (copper it you have some) bent a 90 degrees for a handhold
and holding them out in front walk the perimeter with your thoughts on
nothing else but the treasure beneath you. If the rods begin to move on
their own mark that spot and keep dowsing the entire area in question.
If you get no response in any location you have lost nothing but your time.
But if you suddenly see the rods rotating without you causing it you may
want to begin digging there.

I know you have steeped yourself on KGC lore to the point where wishing
for this cache has you somewhat irrational. If the fabulously wealthy cabal
we have mentioned were involved or had knowledge of a hoard there would
only be scrapemarks of bulldozers left. So instead of focusing on unlikely
scenarios focus on this: You have broken no laws, you are operating in an
ambient location, you and Ralph can do this thing without involving another
living soul and upon completion can document the startling discovery to
whomever you wish without fear if the cache has been removed to a site
only you/Ralph or others of your choosing know of. For instance you could
remove it on Jan 1, 2010 and not owe fed taxes until Apr, 2011. That
would allow you time for an accurate appraisal and sale through a nationally respected Auction House.

Sincerely,
lastleg

 

[lastleg]

Re: Opinions on this KGC "Vault"

Timberwolf, you missed my point. If Swifty & Ralph slipped into the
Rock House after dark who's to see?

Sincerely,
lastleg

 

[Texas Jay]

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Now you guys know why I have read "Rebel Gold" many times and will read it many times more as I get further into my own work. I've read so much in the past several days about the KGC that I have forgotten where I read some of it but one thing I read recently stated that the depositories, in addition to the main entrance which was sometimes booby-trapped, there is a smaller entrance somewhere at the location where they could enter without endangering themselves. You probably have also noticed why I don't like to involve religion, religious beliefs, and religious and political theories into my discussions of treasure hunting or, for that matter, into my research into the Civil War and post-War period. I was doing online research into Albert Pike last night and was amazed and frustrated by all the religious theories concerning him that are all over the Net. It makes trying to understand and break the KGC codes that much more difficult and they are nearly impossible to break as it is. I think lastleg's comment that you and your partner are operating within the laws and that you shouldn't be overly concerned with unlikely scenarios is solid advice. Of course, this doesn't mean that you shouldn't be very aware of your surroundings and possible changes in the environment around you. Just always remember that you have the right to defend yourself with whatever means is necessary and the property owners have rights to protect what is on their property too so anyone there illegally can be removed by force if necessary. I don't care if they are NWO, self-appointed New KGC sentinels or whatever. They die just like anyone else. I'm thankful that I live in Texas where we can also use deadly force legally to protect, not only our persons, but our property as well.
~Texas Jay

 

[Texas Jay]

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Swiftsearcher and all: There is hope after all, I suppose, that some of the treasure in the depositories, or at least their "marker caches', are still in coin form and some of the bars may also be marked. While looking at some old messages about the KGC, I came across the following by "Hillbilly" Bob Brewer where he gave some information about this.
~Texas Jay
From:
http://ancientlosttreasures.yuku.com/topic/2568?page=2
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KGC gold #28 [-]

Posts: 0
(05/28/03 5:45 AM)
Roger if you question that the KGC buried gold in the west, please bear this in mind. Gold coins, and artifacts have been recovered from KGC stashes dated 1810-1903. Also found were silver ingots dated 1700 which apparently were buried following the pattern of the KGC depositories. So we have another part of the puzzle that needs yet to be explained.
A question for Roger. Do you know the location of VP's twin sister cache in NM? There are several locations in NM with almost identical mountains having large amounts of treasure hidden within their bowels. The same goes for many other places in America. One place in OK has millions in rare gold coins in a cavern nearly identical to VP.
Hillbilly

***

 

[Texas Jay]

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SWR: Like other critics of Bob Brewer, I'd be willing to bet you have never even read this book. Have you gotten up off the sofa yet? I know for a fact that you are not a member of my Yahoo group so you have no idea of the vast amount of information we have on file there that my "KGC knowledge" is partially based on. The rest of it is based on my work in the field and the discovery of numerous carvings and symbols that fully support much of what Bob Brewer says in his book.
~Texas Jay

 

[Texas Jay]

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"Surmising" or guessing, based on your imaginings, just doesn't cut it either in treasure hunting or the study of history.
~Texas Jay

 

[VICTORIO]

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Texas Jay wrote " I know for a fact that you are not a member of my Yahoo group so you have no idea of the vast amount of information we have on file there that my "KGC knowledge" is partially based on. "


How does one join in on this yahoo group. I'm very interested.

 

[Texas Jay]

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Hi Victorio. You can join our group in two ways. One is by personal invitation but I can't send you one because I don't know your email address. The other way is to go to the homepage, listed below, and click on "Join This Group" on the top right corner of the homepage and one of our 4 moderators will approve your application. All you need is a free Yahoo ID to join and our group requires that your Yahoo profile include your "real first name", in your case you can just put "Victorio" there if you like and I will know who you are and the state you live in.
~Texas Jay
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bloodybillandersonmystery - click on this link to begin the process.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

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Evening people, mind if I stick around for a while? sounds interesting.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[lastleg]

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Welcome Don Jose'