Opinions on this KGC "Vault"

[lamar]

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Dear swiftsearcher;
You wrote:
was thinking the SAME thing recently, as I was watching the History Channel. It was about Black Holes and the scientists were giving some wild "theories" about the black holes that the scientific community took as the "Gospel". Also, the "Big Bang Theory" is one I never understood either, as to why the scientific community take this as fact Afterall, most of the other "facts" they had to discredit God have been debunked and were very silly to begin with. However, when Burrow's finds tens of thousands of artifacts in the Midwest that don't fit the scientists "perception" of history, they are all hoaxes! Instead of claiming Burrow's artifacts, the artifacts at Acambaro, Giant's skeletons, etc. etc. are hoaxes (which is HIGHLY UNLIKELY due to the sheer amount discovered), scientists are too afraid that their "history" will change and label these great finds hoaxes!

Just as an FYI, the Big Bang Theory was first proposed by Fr. Georges Lemaître, a very highly acclaimed physicist who was also an ordained Jesuit priest. I honestly don't think that Fr. Lemaître was discrediting God at all, my friend. In fact, the name he chose for the primordial atom was *the God atom*.
Your friend;
LAMAR

 

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[swiftsearcher]

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Lamar, I should have known you would know something about that if a Jesuit was involved!

However, I was speaking of the way the scientists portrayed the "Big Bang" on the History Channel, not how a Jesuit introduced the theory. In fact, I had never heard of the the Jesuit you mentioned who created the "Big Bang Theory" - very interesting! Funny Lemaître named it the "God Atom", as there is proof of God using nuclear weapons/technology during ancient times in the world as well as the Word!

 

[lastleg]

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Swiftsearcher, I wil try to recreate the post I sent you that is MIA. About
the stolen coin collection worth half a million. I am curious as to how you
and any others would collect the prize without arousing suspicion. I know
how I would do it but wonder how other THers on board would proceed.
Hint: You would need about 2 grand to pull it off.

lastleg

 

[Kentucky Kache]

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Swiftsearcher, I wil try to recreate the post I sent you that is MIA. About
the stolen coin collection worth half a million. I am curious as to how you
and any others would collect the prize without arousing suspicion. I know
how I would do it but wonder how other THers on board would proceed.
Hint: You would need about 2 grand to pull it off.

lastleg

Please share with all.

 

[swiftsearcher]

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Well, I have given it some thought. This person and myself were going to check into the site one Sunday. However, he went by it the day before and the parking lot had recently been paved over, so he did not want to proceed and I was busy with my Swift searches, so I didn't proceed either (plus, he was the one who knew the location - I was simply going to pinpoint it with my detector).

I have thought that the best way to do this is to contact the Pastor of the Church and explain to them something valuable is located there and offer the Church half? Of course, there are illegal ways of doing it as well, but I wouldn't do that.

 

[lastleg]

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KK, I want to see how you would tackle this cache. I don't know if my idea
would work so I am seeking input from other experienced cache hunters. If
you just had the information Swiftsearcher outlined and was convinced the
story was genuine how would you go about recovering it?

llastleg

 

[Kentucky Kache]

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KK, I want to see how you would tackle this cache. I don't know if my idea
would work so I am seeking input from other experienced cache hunters. If
you just had the information Swiftsearcher outlined and was convinced the
story was genuine how would you go about recovering it?

llastleg

Not being knowledgeable about death traps, I probably would have gone rushing in and got myself kilt.

 

[lastleg]

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KK, Oh you mean the toilet? Is that is what is stopping you from all those
rare coins? You would just have to dive in and take your chances but what
a payoff.

SS, Is the parking lot concrete or asphalt or what? The pastor probably
doesn't own the lot himself. You would need to check records to see if the
church owns it or leases it. Now that church probably wouldn't want the
whole lot destroyed so how could you convince them to let you search?

lastleg

 

[truckinbutch]

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Better ask gldhntr (Todd Hall) about the mess he got into digging up a church parking lot with a member here who I am subject to being barred if I mention his name before you persue this trail .
Todd's story is not a pretty one .

 

[Kentucky Kache]

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LL, if I had been the guy who cached it, I would find a way to get it back. Not being the one who cached it, I could be a bit more calm. I'll have to think about that one. Got an address?

 

[lastleg]

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Sure, KK, PM me if you want to go off the record. This is just an exercize to
get us thinking of how the puzzle might be solved. It's not about stealing from
a church or looting a temple. Like if the rare coins in the outhouse were sealed
away under pavement how would someone find out the exact spot where the
toilet stood?

 

[Kentucky Kache]

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You could try to find old photos. You could talk to some of the members, being careful if you don't want your secret known. How to retrieve them would be the tricky part.

PM me the particulars. I might not be able to help, but I can try.

 

[truckinbutch]

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All this is a moot point as an insurance company probably paid off on these coins and now owns them .
Thing to do is negociate a finders fee with them in advance and let them bear the burden of the recovery and restoration of the parking lot .
A small profit on a find of this magnitude and circumstance should outweigh total risk for uncertain results .
Willie Sutton said it best when asked why he robbed banks ... "That's where the money is !"

 

[lastleg]

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KK: Thanks but this treasure story, which has me interested, is Swift-
Searcher's account and only he was privy to the details. A tale involving
a huge sum of money put into an outhouse for safekeeping only to be
sealed off by a parking lot. It has all the elements of a great mystery tale
that squares off Evil vs Good. A stolen coin collection worth over a half
million dollars, a thief who uses an outhouse as a safe and the church which
inadvertantly rehides the stolen coins.

So, how would all you cache hunters go about retrieving the rare coinage?

 

[Kentucky Kache]

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Okay, I seem to be going in circles.

It would depend on the particulars. Is the church still active?

 

[lastleg]

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KK, I honestly don't know, all I know is what SwiftSearcher said. He didn't
say whether the church is active or not, but wouldn't it be great if the church
had been . . . no, I won't go there. He only said the pastor might be willing
to negotiate. But the more people you invove the more you blow your chances
at getting anything. Thats why I would hesitate to persue the insurance angle.
No, first you need to pinpoint the outhouse location. To do so you have to
use some hi-tech gadgets. Like I said for around 2 grand you could find out
exactly where X lies. Now what next? You tell me.

lastleg

 

[Kentucky Kache]

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What about a $700.00 two box or TM 808 detector? If I had permission, I'd find it. If it's there, that is.

 

[lastleg]

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KK:

Those detectors wouldn't do you any good if the parking lot had rebar
in concrete. But there is another way to pinpoint the outhouse location.
It involves using a certain type of photographic film.

lastleg

 

[Kentucky Kache]

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KK:

Those detectors wouldn't do you any good if the parking lot had rebar
in concrete. But there is another way to pinpoint the outhouse location.
It involves using a certain type of photographic film.

lastleg

I thought it was asphalt. I guess I just assumed that.

Photographic film? I'm listening.

 

[swiftsearcher]

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Guys, the story went that the person who stole the coins was the brother of a woman who worked in the office for some local coal/construction people. These people didn't put all their money in banks, b/c some of it was cash they did not report as income. With this amount, they would buy valuable coins. To make a long story short, the thief talked his sister into giving him the combination and he obtained the coin collection and hid it in the outhouse hole until things calmed down. The owners knew the woman was involved and fired her. The brother was "watched" for some time afterwards. By the time things cooled down, the Church parking lot had been extended, covering the outhouse hole. It was only a gravel lot then. However, it has since been asphalted over in this area (evidently, a few months before the person who knew the thief contacted me). Since we never pursued this matter, I don't even know the "vicinity" of the coins location nor the exact church (though, I know the area the church is in, it is across the county in an area I don't frequent). According to the person who knows about the coins location, the Church is very close to downtown and it would be hard to dig the coins up without people/police noticing!

FYI - He did mention contacting the insurance company and working out a 10% finder's fee "deal" with them as an alternative at one time.