Opinions on this KGC "Vault"

[lastleg]

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SWR:

Ghost stories you say? You know writers have to eat like the rest of us.
So fictional yarns could lead to treasure tales in order to make ends meet.
He could have been an honest man but don't you have to be a little crooked
to write "Get off you're butt and get out there before it's gone" type stories?

I am always suspicious of authors. How do they get off sitting around all
day telling you how the cow ate the cabbage when they get their info from
sources available to any true seeker. Then when you read the yarn it makes
absolutely no practical sense. And by the time you do read it he's already
gone 'round the bend' so you can't look him up and chew him out.

I would rather read all of Don Jose's posts than waste time like that.

lastleg

 

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[Kentucky Kache]

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The coins plowed up in KY I referred to came from Michael Paul Henson, who is known by many to have been an honest person.

Henson is best known as a writer of folklore, ghost stories and historical fiction. None of which is required to be honest, just entertaining

As far as I know, Henson didn't write fiction. He wrote accounts that people told him, some that they had experienced and some they had been told. Yes, it's legend and lore and as such can't be called proof. But if you can find reasons to believe some of the stories, then some of them might have been based on true happenings. Its the treasure hunters job to find reason to believe, or reason to doubt.

 

[Goodyguy]

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If a tribe of Israel came to the North American continent back in their time, wouldn't they have Roman coins? If they brought coins at all. Back then, gold and silver had universal value, so perhaps they would have melted down their gold and silver and poured this into water to form "shot" sized pieces for general trade. The indigenous tribes could easily hammer those beads into different decorative items. Just a thought.

I just thought I would add this, even though it is a might off topic. This happened a mile from where I grew up and while I was in the 8th grade.

In 1963, a construction engineer found a small hoard of Roman coins while excavating the north bank of the Ohio River during construction of the Sherman Minton Bridge for Interstate Highway 64 at the Falls of the Ohio, from New Albany, Ind., to Louisville, Ky. The coins were grouped as though they had originally been in a leather pouch that had long since disintegrated.

The discoverer kept most of the hoard for himself, but gave two of the coins to another engineer on the project. In 1997, the second engineer's widow brought these two to Troy McCormick, then manager of the new Falls of the Ohio Museum in Clarksville, Ind., not far from the find site. She donated them to the museum, where they remain today.

http://www.econ.ohio-state.edu/jhm/arch/coins/fallsoh.htm

Here is a story about some Roman coins found in a cave in Kentucky. http://www.econ.ohio-state.edu/jhm/arch/coins/breathit.htm

Fragments of ancient Roman armor including helmets and swords have also been found in the general area along the Ohio River between Indiana, Ohio and Kentucky.

Neither of these reports are attributed to Henson.
Although as has been stated no one knows who lost them or when.

GG~

 

[truckinbutch]

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Great post GoodyGuy . Isn't amazing that all these finds come from an area that all modern geologists
claim that there has never been any major precious metal deposit yet Swift , Ancients , et al cross paths in this 'barren' area .

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

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Last leg you posted -->

"I would rather read all of Don Jose's posts than waste time like that."
~~~~~~~~~~~

a very ambigeous remark, sniff Swr interpretate please. snicker.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[Shortstack]

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Great post GoodyGuy . Isn't amazing that all these finds come from an area that all modern geologists
claim that there has never been any major precious metal deposit yet Swift , Ancients , et al cross paths in this 'barren' area .

Yep, just like the old time prospectors would say, " Gold (and silver) is where you find it." Sometimes it seems the geologists take lessons from the archaeologists on being a day late and a dollar short on finding "stuff" and we amateur members of the great unwashed have to take them by the hand and say, "HERE IT IS, DUMBA$$!"

 

[lastleg]

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Don Jose':

This time I am not being coy, I mean to say that I would rather spend
literally hours on end disecting your posts for treasure leads and techniques
rather than waste a precious second reading dribble. I overdosed on dribble
when I was younger and chomping at the bit for hints to instant wealth.

If you are going to try to convince me that a million or two is still buried
under a rock that resembles a horned toad at a rest stop at mile marker 99
on I-40 near Tucumcari, at least spice it up a little. Throw in a blonde hitch-
hiker or a luscious red maned rocket scientist who kills travelers as a hobby.
Something! Is that asking too much?

lastleg

 

[lastleg]

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TB and SS:

I would caution readers of Goodguy's links to read them in total. The
Roman coins mentioned as stated could have been obtained from a coin dealer. Futhermore I am at a loss in the leap from ancient coins to major geothermal gold and silver deposts.

lastleg

 

[21stTNCav]

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TB and SS:

I would caution readers of Goodguy's links to read them in total. The
Roman coins mentioned as stated could have been obtained from a coin dealer. Futhermore I am at a loss in the leap from ancient coins to major geothermal gold and silver deposts.

lastleg

I am at a loss to understand why the State of Indiana would have ever displayed these coins if they could not verify that they were legitimately found. Is this standard State policy I am sorry LL, but the State of Indiana show of confidence holds more weight to me than your misgivings. Sorry, and no insult intended but this seems like the logical conclusion. I have a old College bud from Jackson TN who moved to be consultant with the Indiana State University Archaeological dept. He is in Belize right now but I he should be returning in about a week. I will shoot him a email and I am sure he will check this out and let me know the States official standing on this matter and if they consider it to be a legitmate find or not.

 

[Goodyguy]

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I am at a loss to understand why the State of Indiana would have ever displayed these coins if they could not verify that they were legitimately found. Is this standard State policy I am sorry LL, but the State of Indiana show of confidence holds more weight to me than your misgivings. Sorry, and no insult intended but this seems like the logical conclusion. I have a old College bud from Jackson TN who moved to be consultant with the Indiana State University Archaeological dept. He is in Belize right now but I he should be returning in about a week. I will shoot him a email and I am sure he will check this out and let me know the States official standing on this matter and if they consider it to be a legitmate find or not.

Actually Officially:

The exhibit has recently been removed from public display, because the Museum belongs to the state of Indiana, and the exhibit conflicted with the state's archaeological policy that there is no documented evidence of pre-Columbian contacts.

Scroll down this link for some interesting ancient mysteries of Kentucky:
http://books.google.com/books?id=Do...onepage&q=roman artifacts in kentucky&f=false



GG~

 

[lastleg]

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21stTN:

I never implied the coins found were not authentic. I just restated from
the link Goodguy posted that the coins could have obtained from coin dealers.
Collectors have been able to order bags of foreign coinage for many years.
There is a site that says the Ephraim and Manasseh Tribes of Israel sailed to
North America centuries ago. If that could be proven it might explain the
Roman coin find. That is a claim by a certain religious denomination so I
abstain from commenting at this time. Just read the link again so you know
I'm not pro or con on this issue.

lastleg

 

[21stTNCav]

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I agree LL, I am neither Pro or Con, but it piques my curiosity as to why Indiana would let them be displayed in the first place. I understand Goodguy's post that it does not comply with Indiana's state policy regarding the existence of old world artifacts, but being lucky enough to know someone who might be able to shed light on if the State is just taking a stand on this or actually has proof that they were not legit I will take advantage of my luck and see if some light can be shed on the matter. I just would like to know the truth. Yes, it would be cool if they were real but that does not discount the possibility that they might not be.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

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Last leg:

Don Jose de La Mancha

p.s How about a German submarine to play with? Or perhaps a small ship load of chocolate sized Gold Bars?

 

[lastleg]

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Don Jose':

If you please, skip the nazi sub and load up on pure Switzerland AU.
Send it post haste as the rent is almost due and I am nearly out of
chicken feed. Hate to say it but I am feeding the mules tropical bird
seed and bee honey. I have covered the hole where I discarded caviar
tins as the supply has been depleted.
If my wish is granted I promise to ride my Cushman to Tayopa bringing
the TNT you require to open "the Vault". But please don't expect me to
stick about for the 'X' for I must return to Rancho de Concubines promtly.

Your Amigo,
lastleg

 

[lamar]

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Dear group;
Our ever-inquistive friend, Goody-Guy has brought a very good example of why, as dedicated researchers, we should always be extremely cautious in regards to all OOPArts (Out-Of-Place-Artifacts). He wrote:

I just thought I would add this, even though it is a might off topic. This happened a mile from where I grew up and while I was in the 8th grade.

In 1963, a construction engineer found a small hoard of Roman coins while excavating the north bank of the Ohio River during construction of the Sherman Minton Bridge for Interstate Highway 64 at the Falls of the Ohio, from New Albany, Ind., to Louisville, Ky. The coins were grouped as though they had originally been in a leather pouch that had long since disintegrated.

The discoverer kept most of the hoard for himself, but gave two of the coins to another engineer on the project. In 1997, the second engineer's widow brought these two to Troy McCormick, then manager of the new Falls of the Ohio Museum in Clarksville, Ind., not far from the find site. She donated them to the museum, where they remain today.

http://www.econ.ohio-state.edu/jhm/arch/coins/fallsoh.htm

Here is a story about some Roman coins found in a cave in Kentucky. http://www.econ.ohio-state.edu/jhm/arch/coins/breathit.htm

Fragments of ancient Roman armor including helmets and swords have also been found in the general area along the Ohio River between Indiana, Ohio and Kentucky.

Neither of these reports are attributed to Henson.
Although as has been stated no one knows who lost them or when.

GG~

First, the finder, if he did in fact find the coins, should have STOPPED IMMEDIATELY after he had located the first coin and contacted not an archeaologist, but an entire team of them. In all reality, what the finder did was to destroy any and all possible credibility. The depth and location of the coin cache is vitally important in determining how the grounds arrived at the spot they were located at and the time frame in which they arrived there. So, what does the finder do? He grabs everything he can and POOF! All realible evidence was vaporized in that moment.

Next, we must examine the age of the two respecive coins. One was minted in 312AD and the other in 268AD, perhaps even longer. The closest the can be in age to one another is 44 years and this is a rather long time span. If we were to scrutinize the older of the two coins closely, we might find that is in the same condition as the coin which is 44 years newer. It would make sense that if the older coin were in continous circulation throughout the Roman Empire for a minimum of 44 years, it would show more pronounced wear markings.

Because the coins were located where a major road was located seems to state that the coins were found in an area where there is a lot of modern road traffic. In fact, many theories exist as to how the coin cache ended where it did. First, it could have been part of a hoax. Next, the cache may have been stolen from a private collector and was buried by the thief, or the thief may have dropped it inadvertantly. Or, it may have legitmately lost by the lawful owner. He may have been moving and the cache somehow managed to end up on the side of the road, or one of his children may have tossed the bag out of the moving auto, and on and on, ad infinium.

I also find it very odd that at no time has a member of an archeaological research team ever dug up any item such as this, or have ever been contacted to conduct a scientific investigation while the OOPArt was still in-situ, that is to state, still in the ground. It's always after the fact, and generally WELL after the fact that these OOPArts seem to surface and by then, any reputable confirmation has long since disappeared.
Your friend;
LAMAR

 

[swiftsearcher]

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Lamar, you bring up some great points. This is why the US should have treasure laws, as Britain does! If people knew they would either get the find or fair market value for it, they would do as you say. Unfortunately, our country's govt. must always demand EVERYTHING and lead people to get what they can and destroy HISTORY!

BTW - you also make a good point about it being a coin collection stolen. It seems when people find out I "metal detect", they tell me all kinds of stories/information. This led to one person telling me of about a friend of his who stole a valuable coin collection in the 1970's (worth around $500k then!) and hid it. Unfortunately, before he could let the heat die down and obtain the collection from an old outhouse, a Church parking lot was built over it! If/when someone finds it, it is hard to tell what they will think (KGC, Ancients in America, etc.)! However, one can still use common sense and tell things - if there are ancient skeletons, remnants of swords/shields and coins, it was NOT a modern coin collection I would bet.

 

[Kentucky Kache]

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Its amazes me to see the effort people will put forth to doubt the authenticity of something. Take a good look at the "mights" and the "maybes" and yet the single maybe of the cache being authentic is dismissed. COULD BE a hoax. COULD HAVE been lost in modern times. Are people afraid to believe in caches that were buried in the past, or is that just me being silly?

Also, I've seen newer coins that looked old, and older coins that looked new.

 

[swiftsearcher]

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KK - I was thinking the SAME thing recently, as I was watching the History Channel. It was about Black Holes and the scientists were giving some wild "theories" about the black holes that the scientific community took as the "Gospel". Also, the "Big Bang Theory" is one I never understood either, as to why the scientific community take this as fact Afterall, most of the other "facts" they had to discredit God have been debunked and were very silly to begin with. However, when Burrow's finds tens of thousands of artifacts in the Midwest that don't fit the scientists "perception" of history, they are all hoaxes! Instead of claiming Burrow's artifacts, the artifacts at Acambaro, Giant's skeletons, etc. etc. are hoaxes (which is HIGHLY UNLIKELY due to the sheer amount discovered), scientists are too afraid that their "history" will change and label these great finds hoaxes!

 

[Kentucky Kache]

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And they accuse us of not seeking proof.

 

[swiftsearcher]

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Exactly!