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Don Jose'

Speaking of cotton, that reminds me of the summer I pulled boles in
Hunt County. No, I wasn't chained and shackled. It was voluntary on
my part. I recommend it to the fancy pants mine locators for humility
training. Behold the insurrection you have initiated. Even our friend,
Lamar is in a dither.
 

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Dear lastleg;
There seems to be many who were raised on dirt-poor farms and ranches, my friend. Some managed to escape that destitude, whilst others are destined to remain shackled to the land, much like the serfs of old. Merely because one is born poverty-stricken, this does not make the person humble or modest or better than those who were born with more. It should, however, make one grateful for that which they have been blessed with.
Your friend;
LAMAR
 

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Lamar, my friend and sojoiner,

Thank you for reminding us that all good things on earth come from a
merciful God. Unto Him our gratitude belongs. I spoke of Swiftsearcher
earlier because his upbeat humility has won me over. Our lot in life may
begin in a shack or a mansion but the measure of man is in his character.

Yes, we poked and prodded him for answers yet he stayed on course
and any hurt I caused him is deeply regretted. I am chastened and will
strive to ge gracious to all posters in the future.

lastleg
 

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Dear SWR

You wrote:
ancient Hebrew coins dug up in Kentucky :::chortles:::

Have you ever wondered, what in the world were the ancient Hebrews thinking they were going to be able to purchase in a foreign land, halfway around the world, from a group of people (the native Americans) who had absolutely NO CONCEPT of money??? Why would a group of explorers , such as the Hebrews or the Phoenicians, bother even carrying around coins with them to begin with? Were they planning on doing some souvenir shopping for the wife and kids? Of all the things they COULD have carried with them, why in the world would they have bothered carrying coins?
Your friend who wants to know why the Hebrews were loaded;
LAMAR
 

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What If they came here to mine the Gold, make coins and ship them back to their Home land. :dontknow:
 

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Thanks TF, appreciate that.
 

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Gentlemen: Has it ever occurred to you that they could be / are a relatively recent loss?

I myself lost a few 1700/'s 8 REALES with Chinese merchant chop marks that I acquired in the Philippines and Peking. If someone ever finds them, they will probably believe ==== ?

Don Jose de La Mancha
 

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Lamar:

You make an excellent point in regard to finding ancient old world coins
in America. What could they buy in a primeval wilderness? Nothing, but
pretty discs might be valuable for trade with whatever inhabitants they
encountered. Just a guess.

lastleg
 

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Don Jose', maybe whomever finds them will exclaim "That Jose', always
losing his stuff, AIEEE ! I theenk I play trick on Don Jose', I give it to
preist at Tayopa for pennance for hees many sins ! AARIBA !

lastleg
 

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Dear lastleg;
And therein lies the point, my friend. Suppose for a moment that members of the tribes of Israel actually DID set foot in the Western Hemisphere. We know from the historical record that the peoples of the Middle East were very highly advanced, technology-wise, at least for their time and that they had already been firmly entrenched in the Iron Age for several centuries, whereas the peoples of the Americas were still in the grips of the Stone Age.

Certainly, this clash of technologies would have had profound consequences for the people who possessed the lesser technology. This fact is plainly evident when we study the Spanish conquest of the Americas, my friend. A mere HANDFUL of Conquistadores were able to subdue and enslave an entire CONTINENT with precious little more than an amazing amount of gall, guile, courage, reckless abandon and a vastly superior technology.

If we were to roll back the clock another 1,500 years, the differences between the peoples of the Biblical Middle East and the Americas would have been even more profound than they were at the time of the Conquistadores.

By the same argument, if a small group of Norsemen landed on the Eastern Seaboard of what is now the United States of America, certainly they would have been considered to be as Gods among the Stone Age natives. Imagine what sort of havoc that a small group of men, armed with the very latest in Iron Age weaponry and armored in Iron Age chain mail, with heavy oak shields, would have been able to do to any number of men armed only with Stone Age weapons and no body armor whatsoever. To the Norsemen, it would have been something akin to slaughtering lambs in a pen my friend, as the natives would have been virtually defenseless against a highly armed, highly motivated, finely skilled and fiercely war-like tribe of Europeans.

Also, by the same token, we know that the Norse did settle in the West as is plainly evidenced by the archaeological remains in Iceland, Greenland and Newfoundland. We also know that the Norse remained there for about 500 years, at least in Greenland, therefore we may assume that the native populations had been subdued very early on and were supplanted by the conquering Norsemen.

From an historical point of view, any time there is a clash of cultures, the culture with the superior technology always comes out on top, and always with disasterous consequences for the people with the lesser technology. In light of these facts I find it very difficult to believe that a group of explorers from an entirely different culture and technological era would have been able to roam about in an entirely new environment without thoughts of conquest or subjugation of the natives, just going with the flow and blending in perfectly, leaving behind only a coin here and rune there to mark their passing. In a perfect world perhaps this could have happened, however in the real world, man is simply not constructed this way.
Your friend;
LAMAR
 

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If a tribe of Israel came to the North American continent back in their time, wouldn't they have Roman coins? If they brought coins at all. Back then, gold and silver had universal value, so perhaps they would have melted down their gold and silver and poured this into water to form "shot" sized pieces for general trade. The indigenous tribes could easily hammer those beads into different decorative items. Just a thought.
 

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Real de Tayopa said:
Gentlemen: Has it ever occurred to you that they could be / are a relatively recent loss?

I myself lost a few 1700/'s 8 REALES with Chinese merchant chop marks that I acquired in the Philippines and Peking. If someone ever finds them, they will probably believe ==== ?

Don Jose de La Mancha

That's exactly what I've been thinking. Possessing the coin didn't make the finder a Hebrew, so why does it necessarily make the looser of it a Hebrew? I have an old Hebrew coin (probably fake), but I'm not Hebrew.
 

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Allo last leg: you posted -->

" give it to preist at Tayopa for pennance for hees many sins ! "

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

But 'I AM' the resident reincarnated one up there ?

Don Jose de La Mancha
 

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Lamar:

I don't wish to quibble but Afghanistan is a nation that has repelled highly
sophisticated opponents throughout recent history. Explain to me why
Vietnam wasn't subdued no matter how many Americans with superior
weaponry were engaged?

These indigenous natives are endowed with the will to never be conquered.
We have displayed our armament to the world yet cannot beat an adversary
that refuses to surrender.

Striving to understand,
lastleg
 

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Dear lastleg;
You inquired:
Explain to me why
Vietnam wasn't subdued no matter how many Americans with superior
weaponry were engaged?


I can sum it all up in 3 words for you, my friend:
1) China
2) Russia
3) US politicans

If you care to read very closely my original statement, I never declared that the culture with the superior technology would be VICTORIOUS, merely that the culture with the lesser technology will suffer greatly at the hands of those with the superior technology. Case in point: The Vietnan war produced an estimated 1,100,000 VIETNAMESE fatalities. We can compare this number to the 58,159 dead Americans and we can immediately discern that that Vietnamese belligerents were dying at a rate of almost 19:1 in regards to the American fatalities.

To clarify even further, the declared 1,100,000 enemy dead includes ONLY the military forces of the belligerent Vietnamese. If we were to add in the civilian deaths for both the north and south Vietnam, the number soars to over 3 MILLION dead. Had the United States been left to it's own devices, we would have won the conflict through a simple matter of attrition. Eventually there would have no one left in Vietnam to kill and we would have achieved victory through default.

Also, another HUGE contributing factor was that the war was planned and executed by politicans in Washington DC instead of in the various US Corps HQs in Vietnam. This is strikingly similiar to the Nazi Army's planning and execution during WWII and we all know how that fiasco ended. Hitler eventually decided that he could fight the war better from Berlin than his generals could in the field and once that happened the Germans were doomed and suffered defeat after crushing defeat on the battlegrounds. The Soviets often stated that Hitler was the very best Soviet general of WWII as he did more to achieve victory for the Allies through his massive blunders and mistakes than any other single general of the entire conflict.

Moving forward, we can examine the Soviet-Afghanistan War of 1979-89. As a result of the conflict, the Soviets suffered 14,553 dead, whereas we can only calculate the Afghani losses to be somewhere above 1,000,000 dead, with that figure being the most conservative estimate available. In all likelyhood the number is much higher, with between 1.25 million and 1.75 million fatalities being highly likely.

Examining the two examples that you've so thoughtfully provided, we may now conclude that a culture with a superior technology really does produce DISTASTEROUS CONSEQUENCES for the culture with the lesser technology. And so, to sum it all up, the Norse conquered Greenland, Iceland and Newfoundland wholly as a consequence of their superior technology, yet in the end all of their colonies perished because of their lack of farming technology, which was widely known throughout the whole of Europe, and also because of lack of support from their respective governmental heads, those which were housed in Denmark.

In conclusion, it would seem that man tends to make the same mistake, over and over, without ever having learned from history. Those who forget their history are doomed to repeat it.
Your friend;
LAMAR
 

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I don't think we can compare modern technology with that which would have existed in the 12th-14th century. Those explorers would have been on the native's home turf, and that has proved to be fatal on occasions. Numbers and cunning sometimes win the day.
 

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Kentucky Kache said:
I don't think we can compare modern technology with that which would have existed in the 12th-14th century. Those explorers would have been on the natives home turf, and that has proved to be fatal on occasions. Numbers and cunning sometimes win the day.

KK - you are correct - look at how we defeated the more advanced British Army.

It is my understanding, from research into Ophir, that the Ancient Phoenicians/Hebrews were here for a mission NOT of conquest, but to obtain material for Solomon's Temple. Also, it seems some must have stayed (Phoenicians at least) - present day Melungeons are descendants of Phoenicians (this has been proven through DNA). Where are these Phoenician descendants located? Right in the middle of Silver Mine Lore in the Appalachians! Also, it seems many of them knew where these ancient mines were located - even making counterfeit silver coins well into the 1800's (Sol Mullins, Brandy Jack, etc.)!

The coins plowed up in KY I referred to came from Michael Paul Henson, who is known by many to have been an honest person.

Also, I didn't even touch on the mining activities during this time (Ophir) in the "West", where there is even more evidence (I would assume since the terrain is not as "hidden" as it is in the Appalachians with all the laurel, trees, etc.).

If a superior people would have come here, that does NOT mean they would have killed all the natives as the Spanish did later - especially if they had another, more important, mission! :thumbsup:
 

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Agreed swr, but that doesn't preclude the fact that he could possibly write factual reports of history also, no?

Personally, I have no idea on him, since I have yet to read one of his books.

It is not unknown for a scientist to write of a theory of his as a Science fiction story rather than for a presentation to a group of his peers.

Issac Asimov and Van Allen come to mind quickly.

Don Jose de La Mancha
 

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