old button?

[Moe (fl)]

Is this a button?

It is the size of a nickel and made of copper/brass.

 

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[Bigcypresshunter]

I think Ive asked nicely about 4 times for someone to post a plain domed button and timekiller also asked not so nicely but it falls on deaf ears. Here is a plain domed button from Waterbury. They dont have a side or bottom view but it looks the same on top...

 

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[shaun7]

I think I have a complete tack...I'll have a look!

 

[CRUSADER]

I think I have a complete tack...I'll have a look!

I probably do too, but they are like in the diagram, large and a fairly flat top.

not all of them

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I think Ive asked nicely about 4 times for someone to post a plain domed button and timekiller also asked not so nicely but it falls on deaf ears. Here is a plain domed button from Waterbury. They dont have a side or bottom view but it looks the same on top...

I still fail to see your point. Sure I can post a domed button, would only take me a matter of seconds to find one on the net. But what I'm not going to do is spend time to find one that looks the exact same in every way. They are domed to different degrees as I'm sure you are very aware of, and you just proved it with your pic. Am I missing something why you are so persistant in having to see one? I do have some dug buttons here but as I said I still don't see the point. It would be like asking to see a 2 piece, or flat button.

If I was trying to convince the TN readers of something, I would take the time to post a pic or a link to prove my point. Especially if everyone else disagrees. Thats the way it works around here and you should know that by now. You admit that it will only take you seconds to find a matching dome pic and you have seen thousands that match but you dont want to bother with even an ounce of effort. Timekiller even called you out to
"Button This Up
or
Drive a Tack In The Coffin!
the choice is yours."
I realize you are very knowlegable but not taking even an tiny amount of effort to post a pic, I dont respect sorry. Timekiller has taken the time to post pics and maybe I can find a pic online, but its not my responsibility, it yours.

Its your responsibility to find a pic of a button that looks the same in every way as best you can. Im not saying you are wrong, and Im beginning to think you are correct, but talk is cheap, if you cant prove it. And I would like you very much to back up your words with an exact matching button so we can move on to the next ID.

You could have prevented 2 pages of bickering with one simple pic. That is the point you are missing.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I didnt get to read your last response because it was deleted. Now I see all your posts deleted. I hope we dont lose you as a member Iron Patch. You are very knowlegable and a valuable member here at TN.


I wasnt taking sides and I am apologizing if I came across too harsh. I was just trying to make a point. Usually when someone asks for a pic, it is gladly posted. But if you dont want to take the time, its cool, its your perogative. If you tried and cant find one, its also cool. But until pictures of the back of a deep dish button can be posted, I think it will remain unsolved.

 

[Moe (fl)]

Thank you all for the responses and explanations.

I agree with BigC that unless someone posts a picture of a tack that looks very similar to mine,
we cannot say for sure that this is a tack.

In the meantime I am still thinking this is a button.

-Moe

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Thank you all for the responses and explanations.

I agree with BigC that unless someone posts a picture of a tack that looks very similar to mine,
we cannot say for sure that this is a tack.

In the meantime I am still thinking this is a button.

-Moe

Yes that too.

I hope someone can post some pics and prove this either way.

 

[timekiller]

Guy's I'll try to show you to my best ablity and that's all I can do.Please Understand That.I have measured mine it is 18mm just like the one I'm going to show in this pic. from a web site.although this one dates to the 14 century I think the Idea that guilting was not used early on can be ruled out.About as early as it gets.and although mine is most likely not from this time frame it shows that they were made like this.Also we today have things in and around in antique stores that go back a couple hundred years who's to say that the people back then who cheerished every thing they had did not have a piece that was handed down.and brought over.Odd things happen just look at some of the things found on here.Anyway the only buttons I can find as I said had things on them so I don't know if they made plain ones or not.You can figure that out as that was not my job.Here are the links for you to research it more for yourself.The tack http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/ukdfddata/showrecords.php?product=6157&cat=43
The other tack http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/ukdfddata/showrecords.php?product=6088&cat=43
The button http://www.civilwarbuttons.com/dragoons.htm
The button http://www.civilwarbuttons.com/dragoons.htm
I also added a pic. of mine by a ruler.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I found this nice button pic but its hard to find a deep domed button and side view. It also doesnt explain the rust spot in the center.

 

[CRUSADER]

Thank you all for the responses and explanations.

I agree with BigC that unless someone posts a picture of a tack that looks very similar to mine,
we cannot say for sure that this is a tack.

In the meantime I am still thinking this is a button.

-Moe

You would be thinking wrong, its not a button. I thought TK post would have made it clear. Look where the iron shank attaches, there is a raised connection point. If it were a button with an iron shank, thats how it attaches. It would not be strong enough otherwise. Its only strong another to hold 1 pin, as is, not a loop!

 

[Moe (fl)]

Here are 5 new pictures of the button/tack. I have included two brass tacks and
a small button for comparison. I am thinking that the iron stuff inside is not be part of the original button.

The base diameter of the button/tack is 21mm.

 

[Moe (fl)]

Was told by an expert that this is very likely a British bronze button from period 1780 - 1810.
The British used iron shanks sometimes.

 

[CRUSADER]

Was told by an expert that this is very likely a British bronze button from period 1780 - 1810.
The British used iron shanks sometimes.

Pictures? References? Might prove me wrong.

No books reference on British Buttons has iron shanks on copper domed button in the period above. Of the 3000 buttons I find a year over 30 combined years with my Dad we haven't had any, does that say anything? He must be a true expert to have handled or know about such an extremely rare button.

As your expert guessed, you better mark as solved.

 

[timekiller]

Was told by an expert that this is very likely a British bronze button from period 1780 - 1810.
The British used iron shanks sometimes.

Pictures? References? Might prove me wrong.

No books reference on British Buttons has iron shanks on copper domed button in the period above. Of the 3000 buttons I find a year over 30 combined years with my Dad we haven't had any, does that say anything? He must be a true expert to have handled or know about such an extremely rare button.

As your expert guessed, you better mark as solved.

Agreed,
Reminds me of a "expert" that told me to clean all my finds with coke cola or orange juice!
Only thing I regret from this post was have maybe taking Ip's statement the wrong way.

 

[timekiller]

One more thing on "experts" Awhile back I sent some pics of all my finds to a so called "Appraiser" who led me to believe by his site that he could appraise colonial relics I just was wondering what he might would charge more or less.But when he wrote back and told me all my finds were from the 1800's I knew I had a "winner" Anyway I called him out on it and he got smart a$$ and wrote me back saying "maybe I had found the lost colony" In short it didn't take me long to realize what I was dealing with!

 

[buzzgator]

I have found a lot of tacks but never any that big, but that doesnt mean there arent any .... I lean towards a button but maybe a tack no button or could be a tack!!! UGH!!! you guys kill me on here. For the most part this is a very informative site but every now and then it just gives way to jealousy and the old Im better than you are type crap... I honestly think its a tack... Good luck and happy hunting to all...

 

[ivan salis]

the british were commonly in florida from 1763 to 1783 when they governed it -- in 1783 after losing the rev. war to the americans ---the british had no real use for florida and gave it "back" to spain in 1783 --spain held it (with no farther fighting from the british with them -- at least on the east coast side ) from 1783 until 1821 when they sold it to the usa -- however there was some british activity around the panhandle area (or west florida as it was called later on -- around the war of 1812 ish time frame)