old button?

[Moe (fl)]

Is this a button?

It is the size of a nickel and made of copper/brass.

 

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[Bigcypresshunter]

IronSpike can't call it one way or the other Not sure call of Iron Patch.

I corrected it.

 

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[Bigcypresshunter]

In my attempt to help, I am posting the two artifacts side by side.

 

[timekiller]

The only reason I posted in the first place over here is that I for sure can say it's not the spanish buttons in the begining cause I have found those type unless I not smart enough to no that as well.

Now why I thought it was a tack was how it looks to me and what I've been calling tacks.In these pics.I've posted everything I have that is close to his.Saying that I still think the ones in the pic. below are tacks on the line up my index finger,and between my middle and ring finger,the line going up my little finger being I see no sign's of were they had a mount in the middle could be buttons.And the ones in the palm of my hand are buttons wanted to clear that up cause I had put some in the begining shot bye accident.Ther is one button I had that was dome shaped and opened to see in side that shows that the stud/shank does not go down to the button and attaches in no way.Also and this is just my thinking again (not very smart anyway) but the button in discusion the shank would had been mounted so deep don't see how it would had worked very well.One other thing I wanted to point out is that his looks like it has stress cracks around it like something heavy was put on it or was hit with something on top.The one I've got is made so heavy that to cause something like that on top of a dome being a button worn would break bones before it gave in like that and nothing on a sandy beach would do it either that I know of.

Patch I've tried to be as nice to you as I can.But for awhile now you have been shoting at me things that build up over time so question my IQ if you please I don't Care BUD.You know alot about this stuff never said you didn't gone out of my way to state that but everything seems to be about you all along.I was just tring to help here no need for "LET'S SEE HOW SMART TIMEKILLER IS" if I'm wrong then I'm wrong I will take that but not in a challenging way like let see!

 

[timekiller]

This pic. came from the first site listed below.The other sites have some pics. but not as good.And some are just reading.Also the ones in the palm of my hand not so sure there buttons now after this one site I think they are tacks as well.Except the one I singled out.
http://images.google.com/imgres?img...&rlz=1T4ATSA_enUS314US314&sa=N&start=260&um=1

http://images.google.com/imgres?img...&rlz=1T4ATSA_enUS314US314&sa=N&start=220&um=1
http://images.google.com/imgres?img...&rlz=1T4ATSA_enUS314US314&sa=N&start=100&um=1
http://cool.conservation-us.org/byform/mailing-lists/cdl/1999/1121.html
http://www.jefpat.org/diagnostic/Sm...rence between Tacks and leather ornaments.htm

 

[Moe (fl)]

Thank you BigC, Timekiller, Iron Patch and all others.

You are all very knowledgeable and always willing to help id an item!

Please don't get worked up about this button/tack.

I agree with BigC that my item looks very similar to the one Timekiller posted. It could be a large brass tack as it has been stated, but it could also be a two piece button or some other item. I may take it to an archaelogist I know. He is an expert in colonial stuff and should be able to help.

Moe

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

So is Moes find a tack or a button?

 

[Silver Searcher]

Tack

SS

 

[Silver Searcher]

Tack

SS

Finally the Proof! Now we know it's a button!

Your only jealous

 

[Silver Searcher]

Tack

SS

Finally the Proof! Now we know it's a button!

Your only jealous

Dude you never win but you're great at receiving the kicks!

I can take the kicks...but it will be a cold day in hell before you better me

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Finally the Proof! Now we know it's a button!

Iron Patch, just for fun, can you post a pic of a few of the thousands upon thousands of buttons that match Moes find? Are these buttons, Spanish, French or English? Do you have one with the shank intact? What is the date these were use? Civilian or Military? Im sure Moe would like to know.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

jealousy is a terrible thing for TN.

Finally the Proof! Now we know it's a button!

Iron Patch, just for fun, can you post a pic of a few of the thousands upon thousands of buttons that match Moes find? Are these buttons, Spanish, French or English? Do you have one with the shank intact? What is the date these were use? Civilian or Military? Im sure Moe would like to know.

 

[timekiller]

The only reason I posted in the first place over here is that I for sure can say it's not the spanish buttons in the begining cause I have found those type unless I not smart enough to no that as well.

Now why I thought it was a tack was how it looks to me and what I've been calling tacks.In these pics.I've posted everything I have that is close to his.Saying that I still think the ones in the pic. below are tacks on the line up my index finger,and between my middle and ring finger,the line going up my little finger being I see no sign's of were they had a mount in the middle could be buttons.And the ones in the palm of my hand are buttons wanted to clear that up cause I had put some in the begining shot bye accident.Ther is one button I had that was dome shaped and opened to see in side that shows that the stud/shank does not go down to the button and attaches in no way.Also and this is just my thinking again (not very smart anyway) but the button in discusion the shank would had been mounted so deep don't see how it would had worked very well.One other thing I wanted to point out is that his looks like it has stress cracks around it like something heavy was put on it or was hit with something on top.The one I've got is made so heavy that to cause something like that on top of a dome being a button worn would break bones before it gave in like that and nothing on a sandy beach would do it either that I know of.

Patch I've tried to be as nice to you as I can.But for awhile now you have been shoting at me things that build up over time so question my IQ if you please I don't Care BUD.You know alot about this stuff never said you didn't gone out of my way to state that but everything seems to be about you all along.I was just tring to help here no need for "LET'S SEE HOW SMART TIMEKILLER IS" if I'm wrong then I'm wrong I will take that but not in a challenging way like let see!

I'm sure everyone that has read my replies to you over the past year is probably thinking the same thing as I am... WTF is he talking about. Why don't you message CRU or anyone else that has been in on most of your threads and ask them if I've been taking shots at you? In fact, I think my posts have been just the opposite being very positive about the stuff you come up with.

"if I'm wrong then I'm wrong I will take that but not in a challenging way like let see!"


You are DEAD WRONG. Do you honestly feel I have to challenge you or anyone on this forum about IDs? Whether it's a tack or button isn't going to do much for anyone's ego is it? Anyway, there's no point going on about something so foolish.


PS.... Who helped you clean your tudor rose? Who was one of the people who kept posting your trade token should be a banner find? Who directed you to Troaini to help with your 10th button? Who has replied with an ID or answered every question you have asked through forum or private message?

So what have you done for me other than accuse me of taking shots at you? Feel free to post the links that reference this. I'd kinda like to see any posts that I threw a shot at someone... and if I did I guarantee they deserved it. But none have been at you!

Patch Thanks For your help with things I've found.But I did not know when I signed up to Tnet that if someone helps you with a find that you must then kneel down or coward and not state opinions about things.Or try to help others.Must of been in the small print.When I came on here as I've told you before things like you find that were so old was what I wanted to do and find.But as time goes on and things are said I see it looks like it's a power trip for you.Yea you got more time in it then I do does that mean I can't learn something over time Hell know.I say this because I don't think you would say LET SEE HOW SMART so & so is to some on here so how am I suppose to feel when you say it to me.
Why don't you message CRU or anyone else that has been in on most of your threads and ask them if I've been taking shots at you?
2) Why bring them in on it they aren't the ones saying "Lets See HOW SMART TIMEKILLER IS"
3) You have stated through out this whole thread that it is a button and that there is thousands & thousands of them out there.It would look like if there was you would pull a good one out and show everyone so this could be solved.The only reason now besides you questioning my smarts is that I can't see it as a button. If it is a button and you don't have one to show, we are to take it, that after all this that cause you say it is then that solves it.If it is a button that is a one piece then a simple pic. of it will solve the case.If it is a two piece then why would it be guilted on the inside where you couldn't even see it? All straight up questions!
So what have you done for me other than accuse me of taking shots at you?
4) I think if we are going to say this you might want to see your post from the past and read my comments and votes for banner for you.Otherwise in your words (WTF?)
Feel free to post the links that reference this. I'd kinda like to see any posts that I threw a shot at someone... and if I did I guarantee they deserved it. But none have been at you!
5) Why not start right here first.
6) Bottom line what was said I didn't like.There was no reason for it.Again in your words(WTF)
7) I'll combine 7&8 cause I'm done with this tell I see that button.It be a shame to end this with out a choice so the choices are
Button This Up
or
Drive a Tack In The Coffin!
the choice is yours, I can look past it,with out the crap.
Or
It can be ended and act like we don't see each other's post no more.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

British and is there really much point in me posting one? Aren't you familiar with domed buttons? Every time Crusader posts you can probably see one.

While I find the button, you find a large very domed gilted Colonial tack .... I'll race ya.

Im not interested in the race. Ill just wait. 8) Keep in mind that Moes find does not necessarily have to be colonial and I believe some steamer trunk tacks were guilted. I live in South Florida and we have no British colonial finds. Its either very old Spanish shipwreck or 20th century. No CW either.

We all know you Iron Patch are very knowlegable on colonial buttons. I could find a pic and post it, but it would be better if you posted it because you are the one trying to prove your case. Im just here now on this thread to learn. And so far Ive learned its not a Spanish button.

 

[CRUSADER]

British and is there really much point in me posting one? Aren't you familiar with domed buttons? Every time Crusader posts you can probably see one.

While I find the button, you find a large very domed gilted Colonial tack .... I'll race ya.

Im not interested in the race. Ill just wait. 8) Keep in mind that Moes find does not necessarily have to be colonial and I believe some steamer trunk tacks were guilted. I live in South Florida and we have no British colonial finds. Its either very old Spanish shipwreck or 20th century. No CW either.

We all know you Iron Patch are very knowlegable on colonial buttons. I could find a pic and post it, but it would be better if you posted it because you are the one trying to prove your case. Im just here now on this thread to learn. And so far Ive learned its not a Spanish button.

Agreed, I have found guilt tacks & even tinned tacks. I don't keep them, so don't ask, but if I get another I might.

Anyway, IP & TK its time to calm down. I'm neutral & have seen positive & negitives on both side. (If you did ask me you would have found out that neither has said anything ) Lets call it a day, we are all proven hunters in our own right & country, no need to headbutt any more

 

[Silver Searcher]

British and is there really much point in me posting one? Aren't you familiar with domed buttons? Every time Crusader posts you can probably see one.

While I find the button, you find a large very domed gilted Colonial tack .... I'll race ya.

Im not interested in the race. Ill just wait. 8) Keep in mind that Moes find does not necessarily have to be colonial and I believe some steamer trunk tacks were guilted. I live in South Florida and we have no British colonial finds. Its either very old Spanish shipwreck or 20th century. No CW either.

We all know you Iron Patch are very knowlegable on colonial buttons. I could find a pic and post it, but it would be better if you posted it because you are the one trying to prove your case. Im just here now on this thread to learn. And so far Ive learned its not a Spanish button.

Agreed, I have found guilt tacks & even tinned tacks. I don't keep them, so don't ask, but if I get another I might.

Anyway, IP & TK its time to calm down. I'm neutral & have seen positive & negitives on both side. (If you did ask me you would have found out that neither has said anything ) Lets call it a day, we are all proven hunters in our own right & country, no need to headbutt any more

 

[CRUSADER]

British and is there really much point in me posting one? Aren't you familiar with domed buttons? Every time Crusader posts you can probably see one.

While I find the button, you find a large very domed gilted Colonial tack .... I'll race ya.

Im not interested in the race. Ill just wait. 8) Keep in mind that Moes find does not necessarily have to be colonial and I believe some steamer trunk tacks were guilted. I live in South Florida and we have no British colonial finds. Its either very old Spanish shipwreck or 20th century. No CW either.

We all know you Iron Patch are very knowlegable on colonial buttons. I could find a pic and post it, but it would be better if you posted it because you are the one trying to prove your case. Im just here now on this thread to learn. And so far Ive learned its not a Spanish button.

Agreed, I have found guilt tacks & even tinned tacks. I don't keep them, so don't ask, but if I get another I might.

Anyway, IP & TK its time to calm down. I'm neutral & have seen positive & negitives on both side. (If you did ask me you would have found out that neither has said anything ) Lets call it a day, we are all proven hunters in our own right & country, no need to headbutt any more

I thought I had made myself clear, I was the first to suggest tack

 

[CRUSADER]

British and is there really much point in me posting one? Aren't you familiar with domed buttons? Every time Crusader posts you can probably see one.

While I find the button, you find a large very domed gilted Colonial tack .... I'll race ya.

Im not interested in the race. Ill just wait. 8) Keep in mind that Moes find does not necessarily have to be colonial and I believe some steamer trunk tacks were guilted. I live in South Florida and we have no British colonial finds. Its either very old Spanish shipwreck or 20th century. No CW either.

We all know you Iron Patch are very knowlegable on colonial buttons. I could find a pic and post it, but it would be better if you posted it because you are the one trying to prove your case. Im just here now on this thread to learn. And so far Ive learned its not a Spanish button.

Agreed, I have found guilt tacks & even tinned tacks. I don't keep them, so don't ask, but if I get another I might.

Anyway, IP & TK its time to calm down. I'm neutral & have seen positive & negitives on both side. (If you did ask me you would have found out that neither has said anything ) Lets call it a day, we are all proven hunters in our own right & country, no need to headbutt any more

I thought I had made myself clear, I was the first to suggest tack

Things must have gone to hell... now you're quoting yourself!

Look more carefully, because I'm not

 

[CRUSADER]

you have to laugh when we nearly have two pages on a tackhead

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

But who's button/tack are we talking about? First you ask about one, then you bring up Moe's which is entirely different having the iron remains. The iron is a game changer, so they are not the same. To ask me to post a domed button is like asking to post a flat button.... what is the point? The bottom line is I believe the one that was circled in the pic has everything that's consistent with a button, and nothing to a Colonial era tack. Moe's I have no idea on because as I say the iron is the mystery. I posted above it could be a modern tack, or it's an old button or tack and the iron was off something else, or it's entirely something different. I've never seen one so do not know.

Ah OK thanks for clarifying. Were talking about Moes of course, thats the whole point of this thread. In my mind Moes and Timekillers are a match, so you see why I was confused with your responses. I posted pics of brass tacks with iron shanks and also a picture describing such, so I guess thats what Moes is. I dont know if Timekillers has iron in the center.

 

[Silver Searcher]

British and is there really much point in me posting one? Aren't you familiar with domed buttons? Every time Crusader posts you can probably see one.

While I find the button, you find a large very domed gilted Colonial tack .... I'll race ya.

Im not interested in the race. Ill just wait. 8) Keep in mind that Moes find does not necessarily have to be colonial and I believe some steamer trunk tacks were guilted. I live in South Florida and we have no British colonial finds. Its either very old Spanish shipwreck or 20th century. No CW either.

We all know you Iron Patch are very knowlegable on colonial buttons. I could find a pic and post it, but it would be better if you posted it because you are the one trying to prove your case. Im just here now on this thread to learn. And so far Ive learned its not a Spanish button.

Agreed, I have found guilt tacks & even tinned tacks. I don't keep them, so don't ask, but if I get another I might.

Anyway, IP & TK its time to calm down. I'm neutral & have seen positive & negitives on both side. (If you did ask me you would have found out that neither has said anything ) Lets call it a day, we are all proven hunters in our own right & country, no need to headbutt any more

I thought I had made myself clear, I was the first to suggest tack

Things must have gone to hell... now you're quoting yourself!

Look more carefully, because I'm not

Ah yes... that's how Silver Searcher should always post... just pics and smileys!

Yep your right with my finds that's all I nead to do