old button?

[Moe (fl)]

Is this a button?

It is the size of a nickel and made of copper/brass.

 

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[CRUSADER]

Here you go Big C,the top ones I call tacks the ones at the bottom are spanish buttons cause they fit the size and weight as well.The buttons of this kind are very heavy made. So my two sense are that his is a tack head.These three I found came from where I found spanish cobs as well so purdy sure they are the buttons of this time frame.Hope this helps!

exactly & notice the difference in where the shank means the button - raised platform - not evident on his example

Yea I think that the ones like his were used on trunks and sorts from what I've seen on them.Like the big one of mine that has the gold gilt left.

I've had them twice the size of your biggest, not sure what they went on

 

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[timekiller]

Here you go Big C,the top ones I call tacks the ones at the bottom are spanish buttons cause they fit the size and weight as well.The buttons of this kind are very heavy made. So my two sense are that his is a tack head.These three I found came from where I found spanish cobs as well so purdy sure they are the buttons of this time frame.Hope this helps!

exactly & notice the difference in where the shank means the button - raised platform - not evident on his example

Yea I think that the ones like his were used on trunks and sorts from what I've seen on them.Like the big one of mine that has the gold gilt left.

I've had them twice the size of your biggest, not sure what they went on

Ive seen big ones on old chest or I call trunks.And the wood that they are made of is very hard so would explain why the head pops off and the shaft stays behind as well.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Here you go Big C,the top ones I call tacks the ones at the bottom are spanish buttons cause they fit the size and weight as well.The buttons of this kind are very heavy made. So my two sense are that his is a tack head.These three I found came from where I found spanish cobs as well so purdy sure they are the buttons of this time frame.Hope this helps!

Yes the picture helps a lot. Are you convinced Moe?

 

[timekiller]

Here you go Big C,the top ones I call tacks the ones at the bottom are spanish buttons cause they fit the size and weight as well.The buttons of this kind are very heavy made. So my two sense are that his is a tack head.These three I found came from where I found spanish cobs as well so purdy sure they are the buttons of this time frame.Hope this helps!

Yes the picture helps a lot. Are you convinced Moe?

Good enough Big C,glad to have been a little help!
Take Care,
Pete

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Since you are searching the beach and finding shipwreck items, it could be from a steamer trunk. Large brass tacks were popular in these trunks I believe from 1840-1870 and maybe much later. I didnt know they had steel shafts but maybe.

 

[timekiller]

Since you are searching the beach and finding shipwreck items, it could be from a steamer trunk. Large brass tacks were popular in these trunks I believe from 1840-1870 and maybe much later. I didnt know they had steel shafts but maybe.

Yea Big C,I think his was 1800's I have seen them on trunks but what I think could be causing the rust was that it (the tack) went though a piece of hardware on a trunk or like that was Iron and there for caused it to feed up the shank and deposit on the back of the head dose not mean the shank was not copper as well! just a thought as many things are we find.Makes it fun if you have imaginations that go with the hobby.

 

[Moe (fl)]

Thanks BigC, Timekiller, Iron Patch, Ivan, Crusader, and all others for the responses.

I am still not sure about this being a tack.

The pictures posted by Timekiller are interesting but the tacks seem smaller than mine. The diameter of my button/tack is 21 mm.

There is one brass domed tack on the picture below that looks similar. I have circled it in red. Timekiller can you post the other side of this tack?

HH!
Moe

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

The one you outline looks like a late 1700s/early 1800s button and I'd be very surprised if it has an iron shank. It looks green, the remains of a copper/brass loop which is what is expected. Plus I doubt any early tacks were gilted.

I thought the one he circled was a tack. It looks like Moes, just a tad smaller. They both seem to be missing the raised portion to hold the eye in the center.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Let me rephrase: I dont know what it is Ironspike but I agree with Moe that it looks identical to his find.

Problem is there is a shadow obstructing the view in the center.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I thought the one he circled was a tack. It looks like Moes just a tad smaller.

Not sure what would make it look more like a tack when it looks exactly like thousands upon thousands of buttons.

Thanks for your opinion. Lets ask timekiller what it is. Maybe i misunderstood. .

Here you go Big C,the top ones I call tacks the ones at the bottom are spanish buttons cause they fit the size and weight as well.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I was thinking guilted decorative steamer trunk tack.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Well I've never dug one, or seen one, so I think I'll still stick with the ID that looks exactly the same and numbers in the many many thousands. Heck just look at your typical 1812 button with a broken shank. It's the same thing.

If that's a tack I'll get to learn something new! Now prove it to me.

In case there is a misunderstanding, I never said it was a tack, but I think timekiller said it was.
So he will have to prove it to you. In other words, I assumed it was a tack because timekiller said it was. I dont know.

I am agreeing with Moe, that in the pic, it looks like his find, whatever it is.

 

[timekiller]

Here you go smart people of tnet. Tell me what it is then.??

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Here you go smart people of tnet. Tell me what it is then.??

Dont get angry at entire TN for what one person said. Thanks for responding and posting some great pictures. They look just like what Moe has found.

Button with a broken shank.

I am a bit confused. Ironspike are you now saying that Moe has found a button?

 

[timekiller]

Well sense some think I must not be smart enough to pour piss out of a boot.It is what they say then.

 

[timekiller]

Well sense some think I must not be smart enough to pour piss out of a boot.It is what they say then.

Please timekiller do not use the word they. There is only one person in disagreement with you. I happen to think it is a tack. But truthfully I do not know for sure and you shouldnt hold that against me.

I'm not but when someone questions how smart another is burns my a--. It might be a button but there is a way to say things with out all that.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

OK cool. Im going to check back tommorrow to see what it is.

Here is something I found on old tacks.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

OK cool. Im going to check back tommorrow to see what it is.

Here is something I found on old tacks.

Do you think that is in favor of it being a tack? I think it's more evidence against it.

Its just something I found on tacks. Remember I told you that I dont know what it is. Of interest in the diagram is the square shank and mentioning that the steel shanked tacks (like I posted) came later.. We have been discussing this for almost 50 replies and we seem to be going round and round you still didnt answer the most important question. Do you think Moe found a BUTTON?

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I had to go back and search because in case I missed it and here is your quote.

Well it certainly does not look like the Spanish buttons in the link. I have also never seen any tacks with traces of iron, and that's both the small ones we dig from our late 18th century sites, as well as some larger UK ones. (Not sure when they date)

I wouldn't rule out the front of some type of two piece button but I wouldn't bet much money on that either. There's also the possibilty the iron isn't even related to the button.

The object that Moe has found looks exactly like the object in timekillers hand. So, IronPatch, are you saying Moe found the front of a 2 piece button? ...1 piece colonial button? ...or something else?

I think we both agree that it is NOT a late 17th century Spanish colonial button, as I first thought. Timekiller has shown that.

 

[IronSpike]

IronSpike can't call it one way or the other Not sure call of Iron Patch.