Oak Island the Strange, the Bizarre, and Maybe the "Truth!

[Dave Rishar]

It has been said…The Perfect Murder is one where the Victim accomplishes it himself.

This is not a “Theory” or a “Hypothesis” but more of a “Speculation”.

I have one of my own. I think that I've mentioned it here before, but I may not have. In any case, read on.

The deaths of Robert Restall and the 3 others who died on Oak Island, Tuesday August 17[SUP]th[/SUP], 1965, have always troubled me.

They troubled me as well, inasmuch the death of anyone that I don't know troubles me. However, the very first time that I read about the circumstances under which they'd died, I immediately knew what had probably killed them. I was so sure of this that I didn't bother to research it any further, as it was a textbook example. But given what you've presented here, I'm even more sure of it now.

"Robert Restall Sr. was checking a shaft along the beach where he and his son had been working on previously, when out of nowhere, a poisonous gas started to evade the shaft and he lost consciousness and fell into the watery shaft. His oldest son Robert Restall Jr. saw his father fall into the shaft and he ran after him and jumped into the shaft to try and save him. A couple of nearby diggers for the Restall family saw Robert Jr. jump into the hole and they also ran after to help. They all jumped into the hole and were killed from the poisonous gas inside the hole."

When I read about someone suddenly losing consciousness in an enclosed space (particularly one full of organic matter in an anaerobic environment), my first thought is hydrogen sulfide. As this theory checks all of the boxes with minimal speculation, I'm still inclined to think this way. I would be very surprised if it was something other than hydrogen sulfide that caused this.

The Official conclusion from the Canadian Government was that these deaths were caused from Carbon Monoxide and later this conclusion was changed to Methane Gas produced from Apples dropping into the Tunnels.

It may have been that the original Autopsy showed some residual trace of Cyanide that could only be equated to the seeds in apples which contain…Cyanide.

I'd be very interested in reading those autopsy reports. The fact that they initially assumed that it was carbon monoxide is telling, as most of the indicators would have been the same. I'm not sure how they wound up with methane, thus my interest.

Those of you that are curious can read about it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_sulfide Note that hydrogen sulfide deaths have been confused with carbon monoxide deaths in the past. I only know about it because of my occupation. Most people have never heard of it, and as it's a very uncommon way to die, it's probably not the first thing that a coroner would suspect. (I would think that a competent coroner would at least look into this when someone suddenly died in a wet hole in the ground, but who knows?) The important takeaway is that in sufficient concentrations, it incapacitates very rapidly. It can be smelled at lower concentrations, but at higher concentrations it quickly removes the ability to smell things - very quickly. I would not at all be surprised if Robert Restall Sr's last words were, "Damn it stinks down here. Okay, getting better now." *splash*

As an aside, for those of us that have to deal with this as part of our work, we receive very specific training on it. When someone enters an enclosed space and collapses, you do not attempt a rescue, as they're likely already dead and you will be too if you go in there. Instead, you summon emergency services and they make the recovery with appropriate equipment. One dead person is preferable to two or three dead people. Just something to keep in mind if you ever find yourself in this situation. Enclosed spaces are dangerous.

 

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[Raparee]

. Research Rosalyn Chapel near Edinburgh, Scotland. How did corn get into the art work. Corn was only grown on the North American Continent.

What makes you think that that is corn carved into the masonry of Rosalyn Chapel?

 

[releventchair]

I have one of my own. I think that I've mentioned it here before, but I may not have. In any case, read on.



They troubled me as well, inasmuch the death of anyone that I don't know troubles me. However, the very first time that I read about the circumstances under which they'd died, I immediately knew what had probably killed them. I was so sure of this that I didn't bother to research it any further, as it was a textbook example. But given what you've presented here, I'm even more sure of it now.



When I read about someone suddenly losing consciousness in an enclosed space (particularly one full of organic matter in an anaerobic environment), my first thought is hydrogen sulfide. As this theory checks all of the boxes with minimal speculation, I'm still inclined to think this way. I would be very surprised if it was something other than hydrogen sulfide that caused this.



I'd be very interested in reading those autopsy reports. The fact that they initially assumed that it was carbon monoxide is telling, as most of the indicators would have been the same. I'm not sure how they wound up with methane, thus my interest.

Those of you that are curious can read about it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_sulfide Note that hydrogen sulfide deaths have been confused with carbon monoxide deaths in the past. I only know about it because of my occupation. Most people have never heard of it, and as it's a very uncommon way to die, it's probably not the first thing that a coroner would suspect. (I would think that a competent coroner would at least look into this when someone suddenly died in a wet hole in the ground, but who knows?) The important takeaway is that in sufficient concentrations, it incapacitates very rapidly. It can be smelled at lower concentrations, but at higher concentrations it quickly removes the ability to smell things - very quickly. I would not at all be surprised if Robert Restall Sr's last words were, "Damn it stinks down here. Okay, getting better now." *splash*

As an aside, for those of us that have to deal with this as part of our work, we receive very specific training on it. When someone enters an enclosed space and collapses, you do not attempt a rescue, as they're likely already dead and you will be too if you go in there. Instead, you summon emergency services and they make the recovery with appropriate equipment. One dead person is preferable to two or three dead people. Just something to keep in mind if you ever find yourself in this situation. Enclosed spaces are dangerous.

Ya , it was pounded in our heads in confined space training that if a man is down you don't join him too....

 

[lokiblossom]

Not 1308? It was a little before and after 1398 when Sinclair brought the Knight's Templar Treasure to Oak Island. Research Rosalyn Chapel near Edinburgh, Scotland. How did corn get into the art work. Corn was only grown on the North American Continent. Other reasons but I will not go into all of it.

The Templar Knight's had little to do with the St. Clair's of Rosslyn, as a matter of fact they didn't even like each other much of the time. The Templars actually had a place just a few miles down the street at their Balantrodach Preceptory. As for corn, I have a hard time seeing corn in the various photos. Also important is that the Templar Order no longer existed when construction began on Rosslyn Chapel in 1456 having been disbanded in the early 14th century.

Cheers, Loki

 

[franklin]

The Templar Knight's had little to do with the St. Clair's of Rosslyn, as a matter of fact they didn't even like each other much of the time. The Templars actually had a place just a few miles down the street at their Balantrodach Preceptory. As for corn, I have a hard time seeing corn in the various photos. Also important is that the Templar Order no longer existed when construction began on Rosslyn Chapel in 1456 having been disbanded in the early 14th century.

Cheers, Loki

You have to remember that History of a Secret Society is SECRET. What is written down in History Books or what historians may or may not know is of very little interest to me. The best facts are hidden and have to be sought after with a ton of work. Sorry but in my research I do not pay much attention to what others print on the Internet or in their books. I take what I believe to be factual and research it until I can find the source of the information. Most can never be found? You simply have to know the road you are traveling researching and believe in it until you can find the documented facts. That is how I do it. I do not know how others do it and again that is of very little interest to me?

 

[lokiblossom]

You have to remember that History of a Secret Society is SECRET. What is written down in History Books or what historians may or may not know is of very little interest to me. The best facts are hidden and have to be sought after with a ton of work. Sorry but in my research I do not pay much attention to what others print on the Internet or in their books. I take what I believe to be factual and research it until I can find the source of the information. Most can never be found? You simply have to know the road you are traveling researching and believe in it until you can find the documented facts. That is how I do it. I do not know how others do it and again that is of very little interest to me?

Very interesting and contradictory statement there franklin! Good luck with your research.

Cheers, Loki

 

[franklin]

It is contradictory statement if you think so but I do not think so? I know why the water trap was at the 90 ft. mark in the money pit. Do you? It proves that Knight's Templar made the shaft. Since the water trap was still set proves that the treasure is still there or the treasure was removed in the 17th Century like I believe it was? If not how could I know where it is located today?

 

[lokiblossom]

It is contradictory statement if you think so but I do not think so? I know why the water trap was at the 90 ft. mark in the money pit. Do you? It proves that Knight's Templar made the shaft. Since the water trap was still set proves that the treasure is still there or the treasure was removed in the 17th Century like I believe it was? If not how could I know where it is located today?

Wow franklin, you are thorough, go for it Bud!!!

Cheers, Loki

 

[Dave Rishar]

You have to remember that History of a Secret Society is SECRET. What is written down in History Books or what historians may or may not know is of very little interest to me. The best facts are hidden and have to be sought after with a ton of work. Sorry but in my research I do not pay much attention to what others print on the Internet or in their books.

If you do not pay attention to documented history, how do you research historical events?

I take what I believe to be factual and research it until I can find the source of the information.

What you've just described is a method for basically guaranteeing confirmation bias, and thus incorrect conclusions. A better and more accepted method for producing correct (or more correct) conclusions is to observe the existing evidence (all of the evidence, not just the evidence that fits with pre-existing beliefs) and to form a hypothesis that fits the available evidence.

Most can never be found? You simply have to know the road you are traveling researching and believe in it until you can find the documented facts. That is how I do it. I do not know how others do it and again that is of very little interest to me?

I explained how others do it above. If it's of very little interest to you...well, I'll join Loki in wishing you good luck. That road that you are traveling is going to take you to some very aggravating places.

It is contradictory statement if you think so but I do not think so?

I believe that any rational person would find that statement to be contradictory, not just him.

I know why the water trap was at the 90 ft. mark in the money pit. Do you?

I do not know that there was a water trap at all.

If not how could I know where it is located today?

My jokes about buried treasure in Bremerton are getting tiresome so I won't make another now, but I will remind you that you don't know where anything is until you can observe it. I know that my car is parked in front of my house because I can turn my head and see it. Once it's out of my sight, I no longer know that for sure.

This is not merely a matter of semantics. There is a world of difference between knowing something and just being pretty sure of it. (And I personally am not pretty sure of anything unless I have very compelling evidence of it being so.)

 

[franklin]

I have evidence.

 

[Raparee]

I have evidence.

Let's see it.

 

[franklin]

Not ready to reveal today.

 

[Raparee]

Not ready to reveal today.

Naturally.

 

[lokiblossom]

"The Templar theory is an example of what happens when someone gets an idea and then attempts to find evidence to prove it, rather than evaluating the evidence and then forming a theory to explain it."

An interesting statement attributed to Dave Risher. Does he get the credit or did it first come from an earlier source? Dave?

Having spent many years studying Templar history I can say that there are hundreds of Templar theory's, including my own. Do you consider your statement a catchall for all of them, or are some worthy of the word "theory", Raparee or Dave?

Cheers, Loki

 

[Robot]

"In War…The Spoils Belong to the Victors!"

Do you have documented proof of the Freemasons building the Money Pit Shaft in 1762? Where did that come from? Why would they build a Money Pit in 1762? Did not the Island and land belong to the British at that time in History? I know it was the Colonies, 14th Colony. So looks like it was British to me? The money pit was built in the late 14th Century into the early 15th Century by the Knight's Templar from Rosayln Chapel in Scotland.

The Treasures of Oak Island follows the course of Wars over Several Centuries, with each conquest slowly adding to the cumulative Treasures ending there.

From the Islamic Wars of the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Century against the Byzantine Empire, the Christian 12[SUP]th[/SUP] Century Crusade’s against these same Muslims, to the final 18[SUP]th[/SUP] Century, 7 years’ War in which Britain faced France and Spain.

The Freemason’s Royal Admiralty knew that there was a grave possibility of losing this War to these combined forces.

Spain had stopped all forms of Secret Societies and had already labeled and banned the Freemasons there.

The Freemasons feared that Spain with its current mistrust of the Jesuits and their growing relationship with the Freemasons would likely ban them and seize their property.

From this Fear, the Freemasons arranged in 1760’s to construct the Oak Island Money Pit, near Nova Scotia, located within British controlled territory.

They used plans drawn up by Sir Francis Bacon for a New Acadia in the New World called America.

This Treasure consisted of priceless religious artifacts, gold, silver and jewels, which were accumulated by the Knights Templar then passed down to the Rosicrucian’s and finally to the Freemasons for safe keeping and usage.

The Freemasons and the Jesuits added a huge share of the plunder taken from the South and Central Americas, with the capture of Cuba in 1762.

In 1762 they completed and closed off their Treasure Vault to wait the outcome of this War.


"America the Beautiful from Sea to Shining Sea!"

1776, was not the first time America planned for its Independence from Britain.

During the 7 Years’ War, America waited for a Victor from this War and to what effect this Country would have on them.

Their participation in the War was limited.

France was sympathetic towards the New America and desired for its independence from Britain.

The Freemasons’ American Founding Fathers hoped that America’s territory could be negotiated with the Victor according to the 1609 Virginia Company’s and the 1620 Plymouth Council’s proclamations, which included Oak Island Nova Scotia as part of America.



When Britain won the War, it was determined by the Freemasons to wait until after they had obtained their independence before moving their Treasure out of the British controlled Oak Island.

In 1783, the British having lost the War, left America and the Freemasons arranged for their Financial Treasure on Oak Island to be moved to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania into their newly built Bank of North America along with their Religious Artifacts to be stored at the planned and to be financed, Washington D.C.




The Treasure was laundered throughout their affiliated Banks in Europe to enable the Freemason’s growing movement in the New World.

You asked for Proof?

The only “Proof” that one could accept... to change the “History” we presently believe in… is still buried on Oak Island…. this is the “Knowledge” left behind and the evidence of what really took part there…it is still a waiting our “Discovery”!

 

[A2coins]

That's a good read lol

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

The Freemasons and the Jesuits added a huge share of the plunder taken from the South and Central Americas, with the capture of Cuba in 1762.

First I had heard the Jesuits had anything but contempt for the newly formed Freemasons in the 18th Century; though for the first 200 years of the Jesuit Order (formed in the mid 16th Century) there were no Freemasons..

 

[Dave Rishar]

"The Templar theory is an example of what happens when someone gets an idea and then attempts to find evidence to prove it, rather than evaluating the evidence and then forming a theory to explain it."

An interesting statement attributed to Dave Risher. Does he get the credit or did it first come from an earlier source? Dave?

It was an original quote, as best as I can tell.

Having spent many years studying Templar history I can say that there are hundreds of Templar theory's, including my own. Do you consider your statement a catchall for all of them, or are some worthy of the word "theory", Raparee or Dave?

It's a catchall for all of the ones that I'm familiar with, but I'm not wedded to my beliefs. If someone hits me with compelling evidence that the Templars founded McDonald's, then I will just have to cope.

From the Islamic Wars of the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Century against the Byzantine Empire, the Christian 12[SUP]th[/SUP] Century Crusade’s against these same Muslims, to the final 18[SUP]th[/SUP] Century, 7 years’ War in which Britain faced France and Spain.

In your opinion, would it make more or less sense to bury all of these treasures (at considerable expense and peril) in one location, or to spread them out a bit so that the loss of one was not the loss of all?

From this Fear, the Freemasons arranged in 1760’s to construct the Oak Island Money Pit, near Nova Scotia, located within British controlled territory.

A random basement in Britain would also be within British controlled territory. And had France and Spain conquered Britain, Nova Scotia likely would have wound up as French and Spanish territory. In either case, nobody would know where to look for a treasure unless somebody told them, and in that case it wouldn't matter where it was.

 

[Al D]

First I had heard the Jesuits had anything but contempt for the newly formed Freemasons in the 18th Century; though for the first 200 years of the Jesuit Order (formed in the mid 16th Century) there were no Freemasons..

Not true, the Regius manuscript puts Freemasonry in 1320
sorry Charlie.

 

[Raparee]

"The Templar theory is an example of what happens when someone gets an idea and then attempts to find evidence to prove it, rather than evaluating the evidence and then forming a theory to explain it."

An interesting statement attributed to Dave Risher. Does he get the credit or did it first come from an earlier source? Dave?

Having spent many years studying Templar history I can say that there are hundreds of Templar theory's, including my own. Do you consider your statement a catchall for all of them, or are some worthy of the word "theory", Raparee or Dave?

Cheers, Loki

I would say that it's a fairly apt description of the approach that most of the 'Templars-in-the-new-world' folk take.