Oak Island the Strange, the Bizarre, and Maybe the "Truth!
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To get to Oak Island you should not leap over Frog Island!
Although Oak Island may have been where the Depositors left their Treasure…It was not the island where they left their Men and Ships.
My theory is when the Freemasons constructed the Depository on Oak Island…they used Frog Island for their Base Camp.
It has been reported that there was evidence of a large contingent of men having camped around the fresh water spring on Frog Island.
I believe that the British Navy under Freemason's instructions, would ferry the needed men and supplies from Frog Island to Oak Island.
Oak Island was too shallow to dock their large Sailing Ships, so they built a wooden pier at Smith’s Cove to accommodate their Jolly Boats.
My story would support the need to bury the dead at sea, on route to the island.
This could support the number of findings washing up on the shores of Smith’s Cove.
The lead cross may have been on the deceased body of an Irish Catholic Seaman used as a Rosary Prayer.
My research shows that unlike the French, Portuguese or Spanish Catholics whom showed the arms on the cross to be hung, the Irish would show the arms on the cross straight across, parallel to the cross beam similar to the lead cross found.
More investigation may be needed on Frog Island to help support this.
Although Oak Island may have been where the Depositors left their Treasure…It was not the island where they left their Men and Ships.
My theory is when the Freemasons constructed the Depository on Oak Island…they used Frog Island for their Base Camp.
It has been reported that there was evidence of a large contingent of men having camped around the fresh water spring on Frog Island.
I believe that the British Navy under Freemason's instructions, would ferry the needed men and supplies from Frog Island to Oak Island.
Oak Island was too shallow to dock their large Sailing Ships, so they built a wooden pier at Smith’s Cove to accommodate their Jolly Boats.
My story would support the need to bury the dead at sea, on route to the island.
This could support the number of findings washing up on the shores of Smith’s Cove.
The lead cross may have been on the deceased body of an Irish Catholic Seaman used as a Rosary Prayer.
My research shows that unlike the French, Portuguese or Spanish Catholics whom showed the arms on the cross to be hung, the Irish would show the arms on the cross straight across, parallel to the cross beam similar to the lead cross found.
More investigation may be needed on Frog Island to help support this.
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Dave Rishar
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It has been reported by who? What did they base that on?
Does it also support the number of findings that have washed up on the shores all up and down the eastern coast, or were those findings a result of something else?
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Frog Island...A Short Hop...From Oak Island!
Oak Island is just one of 365 islands in Mahone Bay. Frog Island, only a short distance across the water from Oak Island holds a secret of its own.
A mysterious pit filled with water has been the subject of some interesting discussions as to whether this formation is connected to the Oak Island Money Pit.
Daniel J.Sullivan was part of an excavation of the Frog Island pit.
He worked all of Frog I. in the years, 76, 77, 78, 79, 1983.
His Statement:
"There is strong evidence that suggests many men were housed on Frog I. during the period of Oak I. construction.”
This Statement...should warrant further investigation!
Oak Island is just one of 365 islands in Mahone Bay. Frog Island, only a short distance across the water from Oak Island holds a secret of its own.
A mysterious pit filled with water has been the subject of some interesting discussions as to whether this formation is connected to the Oak Island Money Pit.
Daniel J.Sullivan was part of an excavation of the Frog Island pit.
He worked all of Frog I. in the years, 76, 77, 78, 79, 1983.
His Statement:
"There is strong evidence that suggests many men were housed on Frog I. during the period of Oak I. construction.”
This Statement...should warrant further investigation!
Dave Rishar
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Agreed, and I did some quick Googling. I found very few references to Mr. Sullivan and all of them dead-ended at a blog that didn't cite any sources. Is there a primary source documenting this gentleman's work?
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Was there something significant constructed on Oak Island? If there were, you would think that there would have been some indication of it during the searches over the past couple hundred years.
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These Sources...Come Straight From the Horse's Mouth!
Peter C. Beamish and Harold Eugene Edgerton
Taken from correspondence.
"Peter C. Beamish and a buddy of his decided to approach Mel Chappell in the 60's about an expedition to Oak and Frog Islands. His buddy (Harold E. Edgerton) was a nephew to Chappell so that was their "in". He was in a position to offer the trip up to a group of students from Phillips Academy in Andover Mass., as part of their curriculum and they drove from Mass to Nova Scotia, boarded boats and lugged the whole affair over the bay to the two islands.
With them they brought all sorts of electronic equipment, picks shovels and more. They built a wharf on Frog Island and made their best indelible mark on Oak Island later. If memory serves, they spent not days but weeks, each boy was to receive a share of the treasure when recovered.
On Oak Island they spent a lot of time running survey lines through the woods and scouring the grounds with metal detectors, they found in excess of 600 items according to a letter I read in the archives. Most of the items were farm implements and typical items you find on any worked land, but they did find some other items namely the coin and an anchor that was buried under a few feet of sand on the beach. They found some bits of china and other metals off the shore when they did some scuba diving.
Back to the anchor. It was drug out of the sand, lugged off the island and made it's way back to Massachusetts and for years stood outside one of the halls on campus on display with a plaque. Recent inquiries indicate that the anchor is missing, too bad.
One of their most memorable experiences, a bad one, was being on site when Restall and the others died in the pit in Smith's Cove. In fact, they assisted with resuscitation and rescue of several of the survivors.
Peter Beamish continued his studies and education becoming a leader in Cetacean research particularly with “voice” communication of whales. He lives in Newfoundland now and lays low."
Daniel J. Sullivan (whom, I believe was a former student of Peter Beamish) explored Frog island thoroughly from 1975 to 1983.
His own words..."I have camped on the island for over one-hundred days. During that time frame it was owned by a man named Frank Ernst (who has since passed away). There is a sinkhole on the northern most tip of the island. In this sinkhole we found old ships wood (w/ copper round-headed nails), trees cut with edged tools, and milled lumber down to a depth of twenty-five feet. All of this under many, many, tons of boulders, and organic debris.
There was an artifact present that was only manufactured between 1790, and 1810. This means of couse, that someone was digging over there at about the same time the money pit was discovered. Why?
The Beamish group had camped on Frog, and done a random metal detection survey. Their holes were everywhere.
If you want to study mosquitoes or mushrooms, this is the place for you. Oh, and snakes as well. I brought my wife to camp on the island in 1976. When we landed in the east cove, the largest snake I have ever seen outside of a zoo was sunning himself on the rocks. He darted off into the side of the hill, the same hill we camped on for six days. She didn't sleep much, but she stayed close.
All the Best, Dan"
The Anchor may play an important piece of evidence as it may contain the name of the Ship...Possibly... More research from the Phillips Academy in Andover Massachusetts, is warranted?
PS: Although Nova Scotia has 5 types of indigenous snakes...all nonpoisonous...they do have some rather large Garter Snakes, Coal Snakes or sometimes referred to as Copper Bellies!
Peter C. Beamish and Harold Eugene Edgerton
Taken from correspondence.
"Peter C. Beamish and a buddy of his decided to approach Mel Chappell in the 60's about an expedition to Oak and Frog Islands. His buddy (Harold E. Edgerton) was a nephew to Chappell so that was their "in". He was in a position to offer the trip up to a group of students from Phillips Academy in Andover Mass., as part of their curriculum and they drove from Mass to Nova Scotia, boarded boats and lugged the whole affair over the bay to the two islands.
With them they brought all sorts of electronic equipment, picks shovels and more. They built a wharf on Frog Island and made their best indelible mark on Oak Island later. If memory serves, they spent not days but weeks, each boy was to receive a share of the treasure when recovered.
On Oak Island they spent a lot of time running survey lines through the woods and scouring the grounds with metal detectors, they found in excess of 600 items according to a letter I read in the archives. Most of the items were farm implements and typical items you find on any worked land, but they did find some other items namely the coin and an anchor that was buried under a few feet of sand on the beach. They found some bits of china and other metals off the shore when they did some scuba diving.
Back to the anchor. It was drug out of the sand, lugged off the island and made it's way back to Massachusetts and for years stood outside one of the halls on campus on display with a plaque. Recent inquiries indicate that the anchor is missing, too bad.
One of their most memorable experiences, a bad one, was being on site when Restall and the others died in the pit in Smith's Cove. In fact, they assisted with resuscitation and rescue of several of the survivors.
Peter Beamish continued his studies and education becoming a leader in Cetacean research particularly with “voice” communication of whales. He lives in Newfoundland now and lays low."
Daniel J. Sullivan (whom, I believe was a former student of Peter Beamish) explored Frog island thoroughly from 1975 to 1983.
His own words..."I have camped on the island for over one-hundred days. During that time frame it was owned by a man named Frank Ernst (who has since passed away). There is a sinkhole on the northern most tip of the island. In this sinkhole we found old ships wood (w/ copper round-headed nails), trees cut with edged tools, and milled lumber down to a depth of twenty-five feet. All of this under many, many, tons of boulders, and organic debris.
There was an artifact present that was only manufactured between 1790, and 1810. This means of couse, that someone was digging over there at about the same time the money pit was discovered. Why?
The Beamish group had camped on Frog, and done a random metal detection survey. Their holes were everywhere.
If you want to study mosquitoes or mushrooms, this is the place for you. Oh, and snakes as well. I brought my wife to camp on the island in 1976. When we landed in the east cove, the largest snake I have ever seen outside of a zoo was sunning himself on the rocks. He darted off into the side of the hill, the same hill we camped on for six days. She didn't sleep much, but she stayed close.
All the Best, Dan"
The Anchor may play an important piece of evidence as it may contain the name of the Ship...Possibly... More research from the Phillips Academy in Andover Massachusetts, is warranted?
PS: Although Nova Scotia has 5 types of indigenous snakes...all nonpoisonous...they do have some rather large Garter Snakes, Coal Snakes or sometimes referred to as Copper Bellies!
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Possibly the best theory I've heard yet... treasure was dumped in the ocean, then an island was built on top of it. Makes perfect sense.
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What do we know about the coin?
No one has any idea where it went? It wasn't studied and documented while its location was known?
Rather unfortunate.
Why do you believe that?
Where are his words documented?
Where is all that stuff that he dug up?
What is that artifact? Where is it now?
A good look at the anchor is warranted, just as a good look at the cipher stone and the wood planks that were located every ten feet in the original hole are warranted. And if we knew where any of them were, we could, and many questions would likely be answered.
Not how it would have played out if it happened but everyone is entitled to their opinion...
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I agree, somebody took a dump in the ocean
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With the Oak Island saga the obvious goal is to come up with the most absurd theory that ends with a treasure 200 feet below the island's surface. So I'd have to agree with you, it would not have been as simple as to dump the treasure overboard and then cover it with an island. The water around OI is only 50ft deep or so, therefore the first thing the Huns (I'm gonna go with Huns, because no one else has) had to do was excavate out 120 feet of ocean floor. THEN they dumped a complete 68-volume set of the Encyclopædia Alexandria overboard and built a complete island over it to a height of 30 feet. In the process of building the island, they tossed in a stone with a simple cypher that translated to English (because, they thought, nobody will ever be able to translate it), layered in a bunch of logs, and then hauled in coconut husks from the Pacific Islands because they got a good deal on it.
That's my theory and I own television & movie rights to it.
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I have a new theory as well. The NRA - who has taken over the Illuminiti role as a faceless evil empire - buried a cache of subversive literature on firearm safety training for young adults in the form of engraved copper tablets, but had to move it when liberal socialists got wind of it in 1795.
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Ice Swamp Gold Burying Mongols? That's a working title and it's admittedly a bit clunky, but it wouldn't be the most ridiculous reality television show that's aired. It wouldn't be the most ridiculous theory that we've seen in this forum, either.
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Evening Cael. iminagation 
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The "Question" was Asked…Why were the Guys From CFM…Recently on Oak Island?
CFM Company is a member of the J.D. Irving family of companies, they have the range of resources and network of performance driven companies to take on larger and more complex projects.
CFM : Laser Scanning
One of their "Specialties" is 3D Laser Scanning.
The Lagina Brothers may be considering using a 3D Laser Scanner to map what lies under Oak Island, where the Money Pit, Tunnels, and Treasure Vault are all located.
3D Laser Scanning services have revolutionized the way mining industries map underground assets. With an accurate 3D model of existing drifts and shafts, the guesswork can be taken out of where and what to develop. Laser Scanning body mapping is capable of getting a complete picture of what is happening underground. 3D Laser Scanning can be done without costly downtime.
The laginas may access the inaccessible with Void Scanner real-time 3D laser surveying.
A specialised, ruggedized instrument, Void Scanner uses time-of-flight laser measurement to map the shape, position and spatial location of voids, which helps ensure both the safety of personnel, and the protection of stock and underground sites.
C-ALS grants access to concealed cavities
C-ALS cavity monitoring system can be used in a wide range of applications, where an inaccessible void exists and accurate data is required to monitor excavations, assess risk or design solutions.
Once deployed, C-ALS gives more detailed, accurate data than alternative technologies, such as ground-penetrating radar, and is the only borehole-deployable laser solution on the market.
CFM Company is a member of the J.D. Irving family of companies, they have the range of resources and network of performance driven companies to take on larger and more complex projects.
CFM : Laser Scanning
One of their "Specialties" is 3D Laser Scanning.
The Lagina Brothers may be considering using a 3D Laser Scanner to map what lies under Oak Island, where the Money Pit, Tunnels, and Treasure Vault are all located.
3D Laser Scanning services have revolutionized the way mining industries map underground assets. With an accurate 3D model of existing drifts and shafts, the guesswork can be taken out of where and what to develop. Laser Scanning body mapping is capable of getting a complete picture of what is happening underground. 3D Laser Scanning can be done without costly downtime.
The laginas may access the inaccessible with Void Scanner real-time 3D laser surveying.
A specialised, ruggedized instrument, Void Scanner uses time-of-flight laser measurement to map the shape, position and spatial location of voids, which helps ensure both the safety of personnel, and the protection of stock and underground sites.
C-ALS grants access to concealed cavities
C-ALS cavity monitoring system can be used in a wide range of applications, where an inaccessible void exists and accurate data is required to monitor excavations, assess risk or design solutions.
Once deployed, C-ALS gives more detailed, accurate data than alternative technologies, such as ground-penetrating radar, and is the only borehole-deployable laser solution on the market.
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You have to find something before you can scan it.
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