Oak Island the Strange, the Bizarre, and Maybe the "Truth!

Hola Amigos

Here is another version in Spanish Pesos.

On August 14, the British entered the city. They had obtained possession of the most important harbour of the West Indies along with military equipment, 1,828,116 Spanish Pesos and merchandise valued around 1,000,000 Spanish Pesos. Furthermore, they had seized 20% of the ships of the line of the Spanish Navy, namely the Aquilón (74), Conquistador (74), Reina (70), San Antonio (64), Tigre (70), San Jenaro (60), América (60), Infante (74) and Soberano (74), together with 3 frigates, 9 smaller vessels and some armed vessels belonging to trading companies (Compañía de La Habana and Compañía de Caracas). However, the two new almost completed ships of the line in the dockyards: the San Carlos (80) and the Santiago (60 or 80), had been burnt.

During the siege several Spanish vessels were taken on the coast. The prize money divided amounted to about ₤736,000. Its division caused much heart-burning, the shares of the admiral and general being each ₤122,697; while the share of a captain of the Royal Navy was but ₤1,600, of a petty officer only ₤17, and of a seaman or Marine not more than ₤3 14 s. 9 d. It was felt, and perhaps with reason, that the administration permitted the commanding officers to appropriate far too large a share of the spoils to themselves.

Rear-admiral Keppel sent home the rest of the Spanish prizes under Captain Arbuthnot of the Orford (70), together with the Centaur (74), Dublin (74), Alcide (64), Hampton Court (70), Edgar (60) and some frigates; and, after having acted with energy upon the station until the peace, he remained to deliver up Havana on July 7, 1763, in accordance with the provisions of the treaty. Some of his vessels then proceeded to Florida to take over that province and Keppel himself went to Jamaica, where he was presently relieved by Rear-admiral Sir William Burnaby.

This information was from compilation of texts from the following books which are now in the public domain:

(1) Clowes, Wm. Laird: The Royal Navy – A History from the Earliest Time to the Present, Vol. III, Sampson Low, Marston and Company, London: 1898, pp. 238-239, 245-250

(2) Corbett, Julian S.; England in the Seven Years' War – A Study in Combined Strategy, Vol II; New York: Longmans, Green and Co., 1907; pp. 250-284

(3)Fortescue, J. W.: A History of the British Army Vol. II, MacMillan, London, 1899, pp. 541-544

Kanacki
 

Hola amigo

I should add as also Amount of treasure looted is confirmed in the book written by the former Spanish officers in charge of the defense of Havana Against the British Sanchez-Galarraga, Jorge, Luis de Velasco - Siege of Havana, 1762, Seven Years War Association Journal Vol. XII No.

Kanacki
 

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'Oh What A Tangled Web We Weave...When First We Practice To Deceive'

KANACKI said:
Hola amigo

I should add as also Amount of treasure looted is confirmed in the book written by the former Spanish officers in charge of the defense of Havana Against the British Sanchez-Galarraga, Jorge, Luis de Velasco - Siege of Havana, 1762, Seven Years War Association Journal Vol. XII No.

Kanacki
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I would like to add that the amount of Booty which arrived back to England...did not take into account the Plunder from the Jesuit Cathedral or the Populace.

It did not take into consideration the numerous English and Spanish ships that were claimed to have been destroyed due to a Hurricane.

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The quantity of ships needed by the Freemasons to transport the plunder from the sacking of Havana's Morro Castle was immense.

The ships used and the treasure transported had to be accountable to the crown.

Britian had seized 20% of the ships of the line of the Spanish Navy, namely Aquilón (74), Conquistador (74), Reina (70), San Antonio (64), Tigre (70), San Jenaro (60), África (70), América (60), Infante (74) and Soberano (74), together with 3 frigates, 9 smaller vessels including the Marte (18) commanded by Domingo de Bonechea and some armed vessels belonging to trading companies (Compañía de La Habana and Compañía de Caracas). Furthermore, two new almost-completed ships of the line were seized in the dockyards - San Carlos (80) and Santiago (60 or 80).

Spanish ships that may have been used and declared lost:

América (Nuestra Señora de Belen) 64 (1736) - Captured by Britain 1762, ?
San Genaro 60 (1761) - Captured by Britain 1762, same name, lost 1763
San Carlos 80 (-) - Destroyed on stocks at Havana, 1762 - It would have been available to claim they were destroyed?
Santiago 80 (-) - Destroyed on stocks at Havana, 1762 - It would have been available to claim they were destroyed?
Numerous unnamed Privateer ships declared lost

British ships that may have been used and declared lost:

HMS Stirling Castle was declared unserviceable and was stripped and scuttled in the upper reaches of Havana harbor on 14 September 1762, on the orders of Admiral George Pocock.

Officers stated that HMS Sterling Castle was not hit by any fire and did not see it scuttled.

HMS Temple was a 68-gun third rate ship of the line of the Royal Navy Commissioned under the command of Washington Shirley she foundered at sea and was lost

HMS Marlborough 68-gun ship Whilst making her way back to Britain after participating in the reduction of Havana in 1762, Marlborough was caught in very heavy weather. On 29 November her crew were forced
to abandon the ship, which was sinking. All of Marlborough's crew were taken off by HMS Antelope. On her way home to England Antelope encountered Marlborough, under Captain Thomas Burnett, which had sailed from Havana as part of the escort of a convoy of prizes and transports, but had become separated in very heavy weather. She was leaking so badly that her guns had to be thrown overboard and the pumps kept working. Antelope took all her people off on 29 November when she started to founder and she was allowed to sink.

The Marlborough was later found and scuttled just off Oak Island!

With all Admirals on "board" (Shirley, Keppel, Anson, Pollock) the lie presented, that these ships lost was not due to battle but in an unexpected storm was accepted by the War Commission.
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Robot said:
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HMS Marlborough 68-gun ship Whilst making her way back to Britain after participating in the reduction of Havana in 1762, Marlborough was caught in very heavy weather. On 29 November her crew were forced
to abandon the ship, which was sinking. All of Marlborough's crew were taken off by HMS Antelope. On her way home to England Antelope encountered Marlborough, under Captain Thomas Burnett, which had sailed from Havana as part of the escort of a convoy of prizes and transports, but had become separated in very heavy weather. She was leaking so badly that her guns had to be thrown overboard and the pumps kept working. Antelope took all her people off on 29 November when she started to founder and she was allowed to sink.

The Marlborough was later found and scuttled just off Oak Island!
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HMS Antelope set sail from Nova Scotia and encountered the HMS Marlborough in the North Atlantic, separated from the convoy during a severe storm causing the vessel to take on water beyond the pumps ability. Captain Burnett ordered everything of weight, including the cannons, jettisoned overboard, but to no avail.
The HMS Antelope rescued the crew of the sinking Marlborough that went down in the North Atlantic, not "scuttled just off Oak Island".
 

You Say Stripped Of All Guns...I Say Scuttled!

ECS said:
HMS Antelope set sail from Nova Scotia and encountered the HMS Marlborough in the North Atlantic, separated from the convoy during a severe storm causing the vessel to take on water beyond the pumps ability. Captain Burnett ordered everything of weight, including the cannons, jettisoned overboard, but to no avail.
The HMS Antelope rescued the crew of the sinking Marlborough that went down in the North Atlantic, not "scuttled just off Oak Island".
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North Atlantic is off Oak Island!

"So Say I"!
 

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Gee... Coming From Someone Who Claims To Be...a 34th Degree Freemason?

alan m said:
Also.....Benjamin Franklin was the only Freemason in that group....if he really was in that group, which I doubt.
every other person named was NOT a Freemason.
easy enough to look up for those interested in finding the truth.
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Washington Shirley is just the first example claimed as a Freemason.

Washington Shirley - The_Orrery.jpg

He is one of the highest positions (not like yours which you claimed to be higher) designated for a Freemason

Masonic offices
Preceded by
Lord Aberdour		Grand Master of the
Premier Grand Lodge of England
1762—1764		Succeeded by
The Lord Blayney
Peerage of Great Britain
Preceded by
Laurence Shirley		Earl Ferrers
1760—1778		Succeeded by
Robert Shirley

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Shirley,_5th_Earl_Ferrers
 

Robot said:
Washington Shirley is just the first example claimed as a Freemason.

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He is one of the highest positions (not like yours which you claimed to be higher) designated for a Freemason

Masonic offices
Preceded by
Lord Aberdour		Grand Master of the
Premier Grand Lodge of England
1762–1764		Succeeded by
The Lord Blayney
Peerage of Great Britain
Preceded by
Laurence Shirley		Earl Ferrers
1760–1778		Succeeded by
Robert Shirley

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Shirley,_5th_Earl_Ferrers
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Yes, I missed that one, Washington Shirley was a Freemason, according to wiki, and of course, Benjamin Franklin, but the rest of your post is bogus.
there is no evidence that any of the others were Freemasons, and since you put so much faith in Wikipedia, I would think that if Wiki didn’t state it then it can’t be true.
also do not know where in hades you got the idea that there was a 34 th degree in Freemasonry, LMFAO
 

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ECS said:
The HMS Marlborough sunk "WAY" off from Oak Island NOT "just off Oak Island" as your misinformation alluded.
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Do you have proof...Where?
 

Hola amigo

In answer to your comments

I would like to add that the amount of Booty which arrived back to England...did not take into account the Plunder from the Jesuit Cathedral or the Populace.


Sanchez-Galarraga, Jorge, Luis de Velasco - Siege of Havana, 1762, Seven Years War Association Journal Vol. XII No. clearly states total value of treasure taken 1,828,116 Spanish Pesos and merchandise valued around 1,000,000 Spanish Pesos. ( Merchandise would be of goods in private hands )Are you claiming the Spanish Commander lied about how much was taken or part of an masonic conspiracy?

And of the San Carlos 80 and Santiago 80 Destroyed on stocks at Havana, Did Sanchez-Galarraga, Jorge, Luis de Velasco lie about that too.


And of this alleged Jesuit treasure? ( always the Jesuits )

Jesuit college of San José in Havana (1721-1767), now Havana Cathedral. There was no mission in Havana because all the native people if the island had died of disease. The college there acted as staging post to send missionaries to Florida. The church was still in construction 1744 -1777 at the time of British invasion in 1762.The cathedral It only consecrated in 1782 just 5 years after the Jesuits had been expelled in 1767, Money and assets including the collage and cathedral, including a farm and sugar mill amounted only to 500000 pesos. So unless you have verifiable document you are only speculating that the Jesuits had large amounts money. Fact remains they was one of poorest compared to missions in other parts of Americas. They was so poor it took 18 years to raise the money to build the cathedral. They still never finished the building before they was expelled.

Source history of nation volume two Havana: Historia de la nacion Cubana. 1958 page 68-69


The Marlborough was later found and scuttled just off Oak Island!



Where is you source for that reference????

While it true the fleet after leaving Havana would of used the Gulf stream up the eastern seaboard of America and sailed past nova Nova Scotia from Newfoundland. I have found no reference Marlborough scuttled off oak island?

But how far off?


https://novascotia.ca/museum/wrecks/wrecks/shipwrecks.asp?ID=3183

The only vessel called Marlbrough known to have sunk off was the Marlbrough 1898.

In November 1762 MARLBOROUGH sailed for England with other warships, Spanish prizes and about 50 transports. After losing contact with Ad. POCOCK, she met very heavy weather and on the 29th she had to be abandoned in a sinking condition. All her people were taken off by Capt. GRAVES of the ANTELOPE (50) and she was destroyed.

So it was not a particular mystery why the British fleet on the way back to England sailed east of Nova Scotia .

In the British archives at Kew there is following reference to ADM 346/1/1
Description: HMS Antelope : assigned 'Thomas Graves' and 'Robert Nicholson'; 27 August 1762 to December 1762; Newfoundland and Portugal. HMS Antelope was the ship that rescued the captain and crew of the Marlbrough that was out in gulf stream amigo not inshore off Oak island.

At best only speculation that they took treasure to oak island.

With all Admirals on "board" (Shirley, Keppel, Anson, Pollock) the lie presented, that these ships lost was not due to battle but in an unexpected storm was accepted by the War Commission.


Anson had no reason to be involved in such deception? Anson died 6 June 1762 (aged 65) at Moor Park, Hertfordshire, England. This alleged deception occurred 29th November 1762. Keppel and Pollock was well rewarded both was loyalists so any speculation of propriety is just imaginative speculation at it best.

In conclusion without any sources of your claims you are just weaving real events into fitting into your pet theory.


Kanacki
 

"Weaving real events into fitting" pet theories is a very common practice on these threads, Kanacki, if you hadn't noticed.
 

ECS I am hearing you.

Just one word screams at me....egocentricity in the many long years of traveling the world I have come across a few.

Since the term egocentric describes someone who is self-focused and unable to imagine any other perspective than their own, you might wonder if this is the same thing as narcissism. Although there are some parallels, there is a distinct difference between egocentric and narcissistic personalities.

In egocentrism, you're unable to see someone else's point of view; but in narcissism, you see that view but not care about it. People high in narcissism may even become annoyed when others fail to see things their way. Narcissists are bred, not born, into their behaviors.

How many here has displayed those behaviors.

Kanacki
 

Gidday amigos

Here is some information about Washington Shirley's naval career. While appears to be true that he was in some reports a Freemason. And he once commanded the HMS (60) HMS Temple 1760 Temple that later operated as part of the fleet at the capture of Havana in 1762, under the command of Julian Legge. However, in December of that year, she foundered at sea and was lost. As you can see he never had an active part in the capture of Havana.


1738

Entered the Navy


ODNB
17.7.1741 Passed the Lieutenant's Examination ADM 107/3/437RNLPC
6.1.1741/42 Lieutenant ADM 6/16/1ADM 6/15
26.8.1745 Commander ADM 6/16/534ADM 6/16
26.8.17454.3.1745/46Hawk (8), Commander and Commanding Officer ADM 6/16/534ADM 6/16
19.4.1746 Captain ADM 6/17/92ODNB
19.4.174623.1.1746/47Fox (20), Captain and Commanding Officer ADM 6/17/92BWAS-1714
24.1.1746/475.12.1747Dover (44), Captain and Commanding Officer ADM 6/17/193BWAS-1714
1.12.1747 Married Anne, no childrenODNB
5.12.174722.12.1747Gloucester (50), Captain and Commanding Officer ADM 6/17/291ADM 6/17
27.1.1747/4815.4.1751Fame (30), Captain and Commanding Officer ADM 6/17/315BWAS-1714
3.1.175420.1.1754Bridgewater (24), Captain and Commanding Officer ADM 6/18/86ADM 6/18
20.1.17548.11.1756Mermaid (24), Captain and Commanding Officer ADM 6/18/88BWAS-1714
22.5.175514.6.1755British attack on Fort Beauséjour
8.11.175617.2.1757Monmouth (70), Captain and Commanding Officer ADM 6/18/320ADM 6/18
7.3.175810.1.1759Duc d'Aquitaine (64), Captain and Commanding Officer ADM 6/18/493BWAS-1714
5.6.175812.6.1758Raid on Saint-Malo
10.1.175922.2.1760Temple (68), Captain and Commanding Officer: On board from 16.2.1759 ADM 6/19/21BWAS-1714
20.11.1759
Battle of Quiberon Bay
5.5.1760 Succeeded as 5[SUP]th[/SUP] Earl Ferrersref:952
14.12.17611.10.1778Elected a Fellow of the Royal Societyref:1220
31.3.1775 Rear-Admiral of the White ADM 6/21/83ODNB
7.12.1775 Vice-Admiral of the Blue ADM 6/21/155ADM 6/21
29.1.1778 Vice-Admiral of the White ADM 6/21/359ODNB



So amigos other than him being a Freemason and once a captain of a Navy ship that later took part in capture of Havana by another Captain.

It is just too implausible to see him being involved in masonic plot to bury treasure on Oak island.

Sources...

CSORN Commissioned Sea Officers of the Royal NavyDavid Bonner-Smith, Robert L. DiNardo, David Syrett, Web Site
ref:952Cracroft's Peerage Web Site:
ref:1220La Renommée 1744David Stockman, Web Site

ODNBOxford Dictionary of National BiographyOxford University Press, Web Site

RNLPCRoyal Navy Lieutenants' Passing Certificates 1691-1902Bruno Pappalardo, Book
ADM 6/15ADM 6/15 Commission and Warrant Book 1735 26 Dec.-1742 4 Jan. Archive
ADM 6/16ADM 6/16 Commission and Warrant Book 1742 Jan 4 - 1745 Sept 18 Archive
BWAS-1714British Warships in the Age of Sail 1714 - 1792Rif Winfield, Book
ADM 6/17ADM 6/17 Commission and Warrant Book 1745 18 Sep.-1751 Apr. Archive
ADM 6/18ADM 6/18 Commission and Warrant Book 1751 May-1758 Oct. Archive
ADM 6/21ADM 6/21 Commission and Warrant Book 1774 Jan.-1779 June Archive

Robot no one would ever question your passion and enthusiasm. But building weak circumstantial links, linking by supposition never ends well in research.

Crow
 

Oh Boy Kanacki...You Must Be A Huge Fan Of...Fake News!

KANACKI said:
Hola amigo

In answer to your comments

I would like to add that the amount of Booty which arrived back to England...did not take into account the Plunder from the Jesuit Cathedral or the Populace.


Sanchez-Galarraga, Jorge, Luis de Velasco - Siege of Havana, 1762, Seven Years War Association Journal Vol. XII No. clearly states total value of treasure taken 1,828,116 Spanish Pesos and merchandise valued around 1,000,000 Spanish Pesos. ( Merchandise would be of goods in private hands )Are you claiming the Spanish Commander lied about how much was taken or part of an masonic conspiracy?

And of the San Carlos 80 and Santiago 80 Destroyed on stocks at Havana, Did Sanchez-Galarraga, Jorge, Luis de Velasco lie about that too.


And of this alleged Jesuit treasure? ( always the Jesuits )

Jesuit college of San José in Havana (1721-1767), now Havana Cathedral. There was no mission in Havana because all the native people if the island had died of disease. The college there acted as staging post to send missionaries to Florida. The church was still in construction 1744 -1777 at the time of British invasion in 1762.The cathedral It only consecrated in 1782 just 5 years after the Jesuits had been expelled in 1767, Money and assets including the collage and cathedral, including a farm and sugar mill amounted only to 500000 pesos. So unless you have verifiable document you are only speculating that the Jesuits had large amounts money. Fact remains they was one of poorest compared to missions in other parts of Americas. They was so poor it took 18 years to raise the money to build the cathedral. They still never finished the building before they was expelled.

Source history of nation volume two Havana: Historia de la nacion Cubana. 1958 page 68-69


The Marlborough was later found and scuttled just off Oak Island!



Where is you source for that reference????

While it true the fleet after leaving Havana would of used the Gulf stream up the eastern seaboard of America and sailed past nova Nova Scotia from Newfoundland. I have found no reference Marlborough scuttled off oak island?

But how far off?


https://novascotia.ca/museum/wrecks/wrecks/shipwrecks.asp?ID=3183

The only vessel called Marlbrough known to have sunk off was the Marlbrough 1898.

In November 1762 MARLBOROUGH sailed for England with other warships, Spanish prizes and about 50 transports. After losing contact with Ad. POCOCK, she met very heavy weather and on the 29th she had to be abandoned in a sinking condition. All her people were taken off by Capt. GRAVES of the ANTELOPE (50) and she was destroyed.

So it was not a particular mystery why the British fleet on the way back to England sailed east of Nova Scotia .

In the British archives at Kew there is following reference to ADM 346/1/1
Description: HMS Antelope : assigned 'Thomas Graves' and 'Robert Nicholson'; 27 August 1762 to December 1762; Newfoundland and Portugal. HMS Antelope was the ship that rescued the captain and crew of the Marlbrough that was out in gulf stream amigo not inshore off Oak island.

At best only speculation that they took treasure to oak island.

With all Admirals on "board" (Shirley, Keppel, Anson, Pollock) the lie presented, that these ships lost was not due to battle but in an unexpected storm was accepted by the War Commission.


Anson had no reason to be involved in such deception? Anson died 6 June 1762 (aged 65) at Moor Park, Hertfordshire, England. This alleged deception occurred 29th November 1762. Keppel and Pollock was well rewarded both was loyalists so any speculation of propriety is just imaginative speculation at it best.

In conclusion without any sources of your claims you are just weaving real events into fitting into your pet theory.


Kanacki
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I am claiming that Velasco died during the engagements and was not around after to state how much was located within the Fort, Cathedral or from the Populace... nor could he have recorded any true account of the destruction of any of their ships.

The Jesuits Cathedral was the center of all the South American Missions and with the prior knowledge that they had fallen out of favor with Spain...they began the transfer of their great wealth.
It was written that George Keppel's first priority was to seize this Cathedral.

The British Naval Freemasons believed that with France and Spain joining forces that it may be only a matter of time before England would lose the 7 year war and all the Booty collected would be in vain.
They began to locate their Depository on Oak Island to compensate for this.

https://military.wikia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Havana_(1762)
 

LOL...robot is still attempting to word smith his way back to having some credibility. Like other fiction posters here, robot’s attempt to remain relevant and be considered a credible researcher loses more validity with every post...

Someday someone will write a book entitled, “Oak Island, The Hoax Exposed”, detailing the fraud and fleecing of investors starting with the McGinnis brothers and ending with the current fraudsters, the laginas.

At least one chapter will relate to those writing fictional accounts of who supposedly buried treasure on the island and detail the multitude of yarns spun over they years by fiction writers claiming to know for a fact as to what happened yet none providing a since shred of factual evidence...
 

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Hola amigos

You got me there Robot. It is true I must be a lover of fake news I am bothering to read your comments.

Robot can you please do us a favor and stop post annoying flash cards. That is rather a little childish. I seems like a little habit of yours when you feel your in a corner you pop them up to avoid answering questions put to you..

I have a soft spot for treasure legends amigo. And I assume many here including yourself and others does also?

While it no shame in having a theory and having a go is no issue. I do take exception to people "who makes statements" as fact without answering any questions with some clarification.

Now I shall continue Amigo

In your statement.

.I am claiming that Velasco died during the engagements and was not around after to state how much was located within the Fort, Cathedral or from the Populace... nor could he have recorded any true account of the destruction of any of their ships.

It is true amigo Luis Vicente de Velasco e Isla (February 9, 1711 - July 31, 1762) the commander in defense of the city died in action. No issues there.

But you seem intent of discrediting his brother José Antonio Manso de Velasco y Sánchez de Samaniego, Juan de Prado Mayera Portocarrero y Luna (1716 - c. 1770) who was a Spanish colonial governor of Cuba between 1761 and 1762, when he lost Havana in the Siege of Havana. He lived amigo and wrote the book on siege and aftermath. Sanchez-Galarraga, Jorge, Luis de Velasco - Siege of Havana, 1762, Seven Years War Association Journal Vol. XII No

Are you claiming he lied about destruction and the amount looted?

Why would he?


Now continuing with your comments

The Jesuits Cathedral was the center of all the South American Missions and with the prior knowledge that they had fallen out of favor with Spain...they began the transfer of their great wealth.
It was written that George Keppel's first priority was to seize this Cathedral


Where was it written that it was George Keppels Keppel's first priority was to seize this Cathedral?

A legitimate quest please do not side step the issue.

You comments on the following.

The British Naval Freemasons believed that with France and Spain joining forces that it may be only a matter of time before England would lose the 7 year war and all the Booty collected would be in vain.
They began to locate their Depository on Oak Island to compensate for this.

Are you claiming (Shirley, Keppel, Anson, Pollock ) was intending to defraud the British Crown because they thought they would lose the 7 year war or to fund the American revolution?

The 7 year war were ended in 1763 by the Treaty of Paris, which involved a complex series of land exchanges, the most important being France's cession to Spain of Louisiana, and to Great Britain the rest of New France except for the islands of St. Pierre and Miquelon.

Faced with the choice of regaining either New France or its Caribbean island colonies of Guadeloupe and Martinique, France chose the latter to retain these lucrative sources of sugar,[131] writing off New France as an unproductive, costly territory.[132] France also returned Menorca to the British. Spain lost control of Florida to Great Britain, but it received from the French the Île d'Orléans and all of the former French holdings west of the Mississippi River. The exchanges suited the British as well, as their own Caribbean islands already supplied ample sugar, and, with the acquisition of New France and Florida, they now controlled all of North America east of the Mississippi.

References

(131) "Seven Years War". The Canadian Encyclopedia, retrieved 17 June 2006.

(132) , Canada to Confederation p. 8: Barriers to Immigration.

Shirley, Keppel, Anson, Pollock where clearly loyalist amigo rich with titles and descendant of those families still titled and live there today on huge estates. Why on earth would four of most loyal admirals conspire to defraud the crown move this stolen booty from Havana to a territory that could of been possibly handed back to the French?

That amigo is absurd.

Why run the risk of burying treasure in territory that might handed over the France?

Kanacki
 

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