Oak Island Question

[SIZZLE ADLER]

King Dinas and his supporting Order Of Christ demonstrate the Templars continuation.
Why would anything be left on Oak Island then?

Protect by burying on foreign soil in hazardous conditions for precious relics?

That is a good question. The Scottish Roslyn Chappel was intended to house the Ark. This was a mistake as too many europeans running around. By removing it to New Scotland it was removed from those with interest.

The north side of the east island have been explored and terra formed to flood or drain a dry dock. By starting northwest of the chamber and following a ramp at 33 degrees one meets up with limestone bedrock between 185 and 200 feet. At that point the classic work of the stone masons carved a tunnel which turns around so that the entrance to the chamber is from the East. This is how to enter Solomons. Enter from the east and move west.

The entrance to the limestone would have been sealed against future water intrusion. One must use History, the clues and logic. BTW this cipher exposes FREEMASONEY wide open.

 

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[SIZZLE ADLER]

Exactly.... Who would think of or want to do that? And then if you believe that then why so deep with all the hazards to retrieve...? And over 200 years later some folks know it's there and how to find it? None of it makes sense. And someone asks us to disprove them...

The cipher is math. It tells a story people like yourself cannot see and the proof is that it has gone unnoticed for 700 years. If you would simply apply yourself you can see it.

Here are some of my thoughts (some) on the questions that you ask as posted in a group on facebook:

Why The STAR CHART & KEYS CIPHER?​

Have you ever wondered how treasure locations were marked? What clues were left behind? These questions often leave us with more mysteries than answers. However, Einstein had a method for working through complex problems: he would mentally create scenarios, ask questions, and logically build models to explore solutions. His theories were often developed from the perspective of an observer, a key aspect of his problem-solving process.



Let’s imagine ourselves as treasure hunters on Oak Island, trying to uncover its secrets. We begin by considering key questions: who, what, how, and where. For example, let’s pick usual suspects and define these parameters:

- Who: The Templars

- What: Religious artifacts and money to hire an army

- Where: Oak Island

- How: A Cipher encrypted in 13 stones shaped like a cross and Taurus with a 3 sided ptramid



Each of these choices has a basis in historical context and logic. What ‘base’ is the cipher built on? Will future generations be able to decode it? These are complex issues that need careful consideration. One thing we do know is that the creators of the treasure left clues related to the earth and stars. This suggests that the cipher is based on something enduring, allowing future explorers to follow the clues.



The North Atlantic is known for its rough seas, therefore Oak Island would have been a safe harbor for ships needing to anchor, repair, and resupply. An exploration team would have been sent to investigate the island’s resources—documenting plants, water sources, wildlife, and more. This is SOP for ships arriving in unpopulated lands.



During the exploration, some strange and fascinating features would catch the captain’s eye: an "eye" in the swamp, a "December Triangle," standing stones in the shape of the Hyades constellation, and twelve megalithic stones, each nine feet by nine feet and oak groves.



The captain, skilled in navigating by the stars, would recognize that these stones form a cross and align with the Taurus constellation. He notes that the "eye"—missing from the stone formation of Taurus —may be the swamp feature, and estimates that the eye of Taurus corresponds to this location. The December Triangle, a stellar pattern used to locate Taurus, reassures him that the clues are leading him in the right direction.



This procedure of mapping and charting would continue until the area was thoroughly documented. A day map, like Zena’s Day Chart, would be drawn from a ships chart and the local details filled in indicate the location of the "eye," the stone triangle, and the December Triangle. Upon arrival, the explorers would locate megaliths and confirm the cross and Taurus symbols, providing them with the necessary clues to reach the hidden chambers.



The next step would be to measure the cross’s segments and document the stone triangle, then search for the eye in the swamp, a task that could be done using a pole or spear. Once the location is identified, the cipher can be executed.



While today we rely on GPS and chart plotting technologies, the traditional art of manual charting is becoming rare. However, the grid system used for navigation today dates back to 200 BC, when a Greek scholar improved upon an earlier system. This system is still in use and ensures that the depositors of the treasure would have been able to communicate with future generations.



Oak Island’s stone formations create a chart with defined waypoints, similar to a map. The seven megalithic stones suggest a chart roughly 1.5 miles wide by 1 mile high. Nolan’s Cross forms a compass rose, and within this compass, a CTS plot is embedded. The chart includes a legend and a datum, providing key information about distances and locations.



By using a cipher that would be recognizable to ship captains, the treasure could be hidden with confidence that it would eventually be found. In addition, a secret group, the Freemasons, was formed to protect the cipher’s clues. Their symbol—a square and compass—was designed to obscure the true meaning of the cross and stone pyramid.



The square and compass, with dividers set at 60 degrees and a 150-degree arc on either side of the exterior, represents the cross. The square offers angles of 90 and 270 degrees, pointing East and West—this relates to the Sun and Moon, or "Sol A Mon." This might be a clue suggesting that treasures from the Temple of Solomon are involved, and possibly even the Ark of the Covenant.



Which Ark? Perhaps the one excavated at the Temple, as Arks are sacred objects for many churches. In modern terms, the Ark could be seen as a capacitor, potentially even powered by radium—a substance abundant in Egypt.



For further insights into the cipher and its components, check the group’s media section, where detailed explanations are provided. A particularly intriguing post discusses Asmodeus, an adviser who was compelled by ring given to Solomon by God to help Hiram Abiff in hiding the Ark. Although the 586 BC raid on the Temple failed to locate the Ark, the Templars eventually discovered it—and they brought it to Oak Island along with Asmodeus’s trick. (You can find it in the Triangulation portion – Groups Media)

 

[TruthbeTold]

I have posted what you asked. Do you understand it?

Same old bs we've seen here countless times.

 

[SSR]

It must be the Christmas cheer.
As this thread has so many spins on things that just don't add up.
Yarns that grow by the post.
Heck the only thing I haven't read about this OI is that it sits on the lost City of Atlantis.
But just wait it might be coming.
Oh let's just say it does, makes for a great story.

Have you read any reputable histories of the island? That's the rub. People who have waded in a million alternate histories tend to throw their arms up in the air and are forced to declare that you might as well equate OI to the mythical Atlantis out of frustration, because anything is fair game to suggest.

That's, oddly, not a terribly bad thing to do in this case if you consider the morality tale that is the Atlantean legend. In the 1620s North America itself was equated to the New Atlantis in popular English allegories . Plato had originally made famous the stories he attributed to Solon who is aid to have acquired them from the priests at Heliopolis in his well described voyages there. These were written in the golden age of myth to serve as "teaching aids" by Plato. With the allegory of the cave and the allegory of the divided line there is almost an entire cosmology (way of thinking) described by Plato. In the Atlantean fiction one must "sail from Egypt and go beyond the pillars of Hercules".

It happens that the people who did write European allegories based on Atlantis much later were using this details and did look to see what is produced on paper (Mercator maps, post 1563) when one does go in a straight line from Egypt to North America through the Pillars of Hercules. The North American intercept can have a use in an allegory exploring the theme of the Atlantean island. Was it used in anyone's literature as a detail? That's a pertinent question.

That's there to use if you want to attach it to a story in allegorical fashion. If you leave Egypt and follow a straight path on a Mercator map projection you will hit North America at Mahone Bay, Nova Scotia. If it is of any interest to you, the ratio of distances traveled C to the PH : C to D is approximately Phi (1:1.618), the golden mean, but more closely 1 : 8/5 (1:1.6). It makes the North American intercept a "golden" detail for a story involving a New Atlantis suggestion in the age of colonization. If you'd like to make the story about 5:8 then you have a preexisting Christian numerology to work with too by employing 40 as 5 by 8. As a matter of historical fact we have 2 allegorical traditions that I know of that exploit this in their story details? Did the Mahone Bay story fish from this in inspiration in 1762 with Morris? My suspicion is that it did, and that OI isn't anything special. It is just one island in Mahone Bay that happened to be surveyed in 1762 (only one was) where that could be evoked by someone with the means to survey accurately and suggest things (like a 5x8 ground cross which points to the heading of the great circle to Jerusalem).

If we were to be picky about actual coordinates then it is much more likely that the island best suited to host this allegory was the one with the actual treasure story (ca. 1830) which has details that were borrowed at OI in the 1840s. That's the account at Hobsons Nose which DesBrisay mentions in his History of Lunenburg Country. It is the origin of the depression under a tree detail. For whatever reason the story detail shifted to OI, probably to be exploited there by Vaughn, his wife and her well known relatives (the Archibalds of Truro). The fact this sort of of consideration was circulating in 1847 means that well read "critics" were already sniffing a rat at this time. I think it is interesting to consider all that we can know about the lineages of this specific idea. It appears to come out of the paradoxical compass machinations of Mercator and his friend John Dee. I have seen no earlier evidence for this. No one could have observed this alignment until Mercator himself had published his maps showing this novel projection. When Gilbert did do his voyages of 1583 attempting to locate the points Dee had identified he did lose a ship not far from Mahone Bay. Points on land that mattered to Dee where at Jamestown, Virginia; Newport, Rhode Island, in Newfoundland (later to be Cuper's Cove colony) and Mahone Bay (later to be the first place settled by colonial British loyals in 1752) . Did Gilbert's voyages involve OI? Most certainly not. OI is an attempt to capture this historical detail informed by symbolic Christian ideas.

 

[pepperj]

Have you read any reputable histories of the island? That's the rub. People who have waded in a million alternate histories tend to throw their arms up in the air and are forced to declare that you might as well equate OI to the mythical Atlantis out of frustration, because anything is fair game to suggest.

That's, oddly, not a terribly bad thing to do in this case if you consider the morality tale that is the Atlantean legend. In the 1620s North America itself was equated to the New Atlantis in popular English allegories . Plato had originally made famous the stories he attributed to Solon who is aid to have acquired them from the priests at Heliopolis in his well described voyages there. These were written in the golden age of myth to serve as "teaching aids" by Plato. With the allegory of the cave and the allegory of the divided line there is almost an entire cosmology (way of thinking) described by Plato. In the Atlantean fiction one must "sail from Egypt and go beyond the pillars of Hercules".

It happens that the people who did write European allegories based on Atlantis much later were using this details and did look to see what is produced on paper (Mercator maps, post 1563) when one does go in a straight line from Egypt to North America through the Pillars of Hercules. The North American intercept can have a use in an allegory exploring the theme of the Atlantean island. Was it used in anyone's literature as a detail? That's a pertinent question.
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That's there to use if you want to attach it to a story in allegorical fashion. If you leave Egypt and follow a straight path on a Mercator map projection you will hit North America at Mahone Bay, Nova Scotia. If it is of any interest to you, the ratio of distances traveled C to the PH : C to D is approximately Phi (1:1.618), the golden mean, but more closely 1 : 8/5 (1:1.6). It makes the North American intercept a "golden" detail for a story involving a New Atlantis suggestion in the age of colonization. If you'd like to make the story about 5:8 then you have a preexisting Christian numerology to work with too by employing 40 as 5 by 8. As a matter of historical fact we have 2 allegorical traditions that I know of that exploit this in their story details? Did the Mahone Bay story fish from this in inspiration in 1762 with Morris? My suspicion is that it did, and that OI isn't anything special. It is just one island in Mahone Bay that happened to be surveyed in 1762 (only one was) where that could be evoked by someone with the means to survey accurately and suggest things (like a 5x8 ground cross which points to the heading of the great circle to Jerusalem).

If we were to be picky about actual coordinates then it is much more likely that the island best suited to host this allegory was the one with the actual treasure story (ca. 1830) which has details that were borrowed at OI in the 1840s. That's the account at Hobsons Nose which DesBrisay mentions in his History of Lunenburg Country. It is the origin of the depression under a tree detail. For whatever reason the story detail shifted to OI, probably to be exploited there by Vaughn, his wife and her well known relatives (the Archibalds of Truro). The fact this sort of of consideration was circulating in 1847 means that well read "critics" were already sniffing a rat at this time. I think it is interesting to consider all that we can know about the lineages of this specific idea. It appears to come out of the paradoxical compass machinations of Mercator and his friend John Dee. I have seen no earlier evidence for this. No one could have observed this alignment until Mercator himself had published his maps showing this novel projection. When Gilbert did do his voyages of 1583 attempting to locate the points Dee had identified he did lose a ship not far from Mahone Bay. Points on land that mattered to Dee where at Jamestown, Virginia; Newport, Rhode Island, in Newfoundland (later to be Cuper's Cove colony) and Mahone Bay (later to be the first place settled by colonial British loyals in 1752) . Did Gilbert's voyages involve OI? Most certainly not. OI is an attempt to capture this historical detail informed by symbolic Christian ideas.

It's amazing that you have the ability to spin anything into keep the product viable.
Right?
Keeping it viable for the algorithms to keep the subject matter relative.

Oh the question.
Yes in fact I read the book in the late 60's.
Spoke and discussed it with real people that hunted treasures.
The general consensus was that it was merely a good story built around a failed exploration.
Now how does a nothing grow into a something when the well runs dry.
Seed a little, talk a good yarn, get another backer, carry on.

The book entertained many, it made young boys and gullible men dream.

 

[Limitool]

I have patents based upon conic function (Math). You asked me to prove what? The The Templars collected biblical artifacts? This is a well known fact. I need not prove. Did you want me to prove the cipher? The cipher does that read it. Ask a narrow question that indicates that you read and understood the post. The numbers and lore strongly suggest Templars and the relics of Solomon specifically the Ark and relics of Christ. Read the numbers.

I have introduced this concept on multiple platforms for 4 years. The cipher is bullet proof unless you use fuzzy bullets. 13 means Templar. 33 Means Christ. 60 Means follow God. A 33 degree ramp to a chamber 233 feet deep is a message that articles of Christ are there. You have to read how the numbers are applied to taurus or the 1 navigational step of moving a line parallel to itself.

This is a complex cipher as it only uses a few points. I suspect this cipher is not for this group even though it reveals the most fabulous treasure hunt in history.

Now prove me wrong.

Damn.... For the 4th time... I HAVE NOT ASKED YOU TO PROVE A SINGLE THING. Nothing...!! Why do you keep insisting I have or you have to prove something? Nobody said the Templars didn't collect biblical artifacts. Not a sole. Nobody asked you to "prove" that. Why are you constantly stating that your asked to prove something? Again.... what the hell has anybody asked you to prove?

MY QUESTION for the 4rd time... Your asking members reading this thread to disprove (your post #28 and #60 now) something you came up with that you don't even know is true. Is this right...? And that's beyond your comprehension..? I didn't ask you to prove addition, subtraction or trig. I didn't ask you to prove anything.... but you request us to disprove YOU. We have no more interest nor care about disproving anything then you do.

These 2 requests to "disprove" you is sad.... mainly because you believe a treasure is buried and you know how to find it. Who are you trying to convince? Nobody reading this thread can help you nor cares about disproving you. Whatever convinced you a treasure was even put upon OI..? And please spare us the math.

 

[SIZZLE ADLER]

Damn.... For the 4th time... I HAVE NOT ASKED YOU TO PROVE A SINGLE THING. Nothing...!! Why do you keep insisting I have or you have to prove something? Nobody said the Templars didn't collect biblical artifacts. Not a sole. Nobody asked you to "prove" that. Why are you constantly stating that your asked to prove something? Again.... what the hell has anybody asked you to prove?

MY QUESTION for the 4rd time... Your asking members reading this thread to disprove (your post #28 and #60 now) something you came up with that you don't even know is true. Is this right...? And that's beyond your comprehension..? I didn't ask you to prove addition, subtraction or trig. I didn't ask you to prove anything.... but you request us to disprove YOU. We have no more interest nor care about disproving anything then you do.

These 2 requests to "disprove" you is sad.... mainly because you believe a treasure is buried and you know how to find it. Who are you trying to convince? Nobody reading this thread can help you nor cares about disproving you. Whatever convinced you a treasure was even put upon OI..? And please spare us the math.

You wished to be spared the answer to your own question. For it is the math. The stones yield numbers. The Cross in its size and the Pyramid in its angles. I didnt created the message. Medieval monks did and they did not do it to please your conceptual continuity.

What you ask cannot be done for you must do it and won't. May I suggest you move on.

 

[Limitool]

You wished to be spared the answer to your own question. For it is the math. The stones yield numbers. The Cross in its size and the Pyramid in its angles. I didnt created the message. Medieval monks did and they did not do it to please your conceptual continuity.

What you ask cannot be done for you must do it and won't. May I suggest you move on.

Who asked you for proof of anything...? Why do you insist that your being asked to prove something? But you want us to engage in disproving you.... That is some screwed up logic. Yea I'm moving on to get some left over BBQ ribs I made last night... good idea, thanks.

 

[SSR]

The cipher is math. It tells a story people like yourself cannot see and the proof is that it has gone unnoticed for 700 years. If you would simply apply yourself you can see it.

Here are some of my thoughts (some) on the questions that you ask as posted in a group on facebook:

Why The STAR CHART & KEYS CIPHER?​

Have you ever wondered how treasure locations were marked? What clues were left behind? These questions often leave us with more mysteries than answers. However, Einstein had a method for working through complex problems: he would mentally create scenarios, ask questions, and logically build models to explore solutions. His theories were often developed from the perspective of an observer, a key aspect of his problem-solving process.



Let’s imagine ourselves as treasure hunters on Oak Island, trying to uncover its secrets. We begin by considering key questions: who, what, how, and where. For example, let’s pick usual suspects and define these parameters:

- Who: The Templars

- What: Religious artifacts and money to hire an army

- Where: Oak Island

- How: A Cipher encrypted in 13 stones shaped like a cross and Taurus with a 3 sided ptramid



Each of these choices has a basis in historical context and logic. What ‘base’ is the cipher built on? Will future generations be able to decode it? These are complex issues that need careful consideration. One thing we do know is that the creators of the treasure left clues related to the earth and stars. This suggests that the cipher is based on something enduring, allowing future explorers to follow the clues.



The North Atlantic is known for its rough seas, therefore Oak Island would have been a safe harbor for ships needing to anchor, repair, and resupply. An exploration team would have been sent to investigate the island’s resources—documenting plants, water sources, wildlife, and more. This is SOP for ships arriving in unpopulated lands.



During the exploration, some strange and fascinating features would catch the captain’s eye: an "eye" in the swamp, a "December Triangle," standing stones in the shape of the Hyades constellation, and twelve megalithic stones, each nine feet by nine feet and oak groves.



The captain, skilled in navigating by the stars, would recognize that these stones form a cross and align with the Taurus constellation. He notes that the "eye"—missing from the stone formation of Taurus —may be the swamp feature, and estimates that the eye of Taurus corresponds to this location. The December Triangle, a stellar pattern used to locate Taurus, reassures him that the clues are leading him in the right direction.



This procedure of mapping and charting would continue until the area was thoroughly documented. A day map, like Zena’s Day Chart, would be drawn from a ships chart and the local details filled in indicate the location of the "eye," the stone triangle, and the December Triangle. Upon arrival, the explorers would locate megaliths and confirm the cross and Taurus symbols, providing them with the necessary clues to reach the hidden chambers.



The next step would be to measure the cross’s segments and document the stone triangle, then search for the eye in the swamp, a task that could be done using a pole or spear. Once the location is identified, the cipher can be executed.



While today we rely on GPS and chart plotting technologies, the traditional art of manual charting is becoming rare. However, the grid system used for navigation today dates back to 200 BC, when a Greek scholar improved upon an earlier system. This system is still in use and ensures that the depositors of the treasure would have been able to communicate with future generations.



Oak Island’s stone formations create a chart with defined waypoints, similar to a map. The seven megalithic stones suggest a chart roughly 1.5 miles wide by 1 mile high. Nolan’s Cross forms a compass rose, and within this compass, a CTS plot is embedded. The chart includes a legend and a datum, providing key information about distances and locations.



By using a cipher that would be recognizable to ship captains, the treasure could be hidden with confidence that it would eventually be found. In addition, a secret group, the Freemasons, was formed to protect the cipher’s clues. Their symbol—a square and compass—was designed to obscure the true meaning of the cross and stone pyramid.



The square and compass, with dividers set at 60 degrees and a 150-degree arc on either side of the exterior, represents the cross. The square offers angles of 90 and 270 degrees, pointing East and West—this relates to the Sun and Moon, or "Sol A Mon." This might be a clue suggesting that treasures from the Temple of Solomon are involved, and possibly even the Ark of the Covenant.

Which Ark? Perhaps the one excavated at the Temple, as Arks are sacred objects for many churches. In modern terms, the Ark could be seen as a capacitor, potentially even powered by radium—a substance abundant in Egypt.



For further insights into the cipher and its components, check the group’s media section, where detailed explanations are provided. A particularly intriguing post discusses Asmodeus, an adviser who was compelled by ring given to Solomon by God to help Hiram Abiff in hiding the Ark. Although the 586 BC raid on the Temple failed to locate the Ark, the Templars eventually discovered it—and they brought it to Oak Island along with Asmodeus’s trick. (You can find it in the Triangulation portion – Groups Media)

It's amazing that you have the ability to spin anything into keep the product viable.
Right?
Keeping it viable for the algorithms to keep the subject matter relative.

Oh the question.
Yes in fact I read the book in the late 60's.
Spoke and discussed it with real people that hunted treasures.
The general consensus was that it was merely a good story built around a failed exploration.
Now how does a nothing grow into a something when the well runs dry.
Seed a little, talk a good yarn, get another backer, carry on.

The book entertained many, it made young boys and gullible men dream.

Keep the product viable? lol I've been preaching loudly since 1985 that there's nothing there but an island surveyed in 1762 by Charles Morris that was prepared to host New England colonials starting in 1763. I'm a big fan of Thomas Halliburton's 1847 Nova Scotia work that lampoons the search for treasure at OI. There is nothing there. It's as fictitious as the Bible stories.

What is used to convince people that there is something there was ripped off from historical sources and has nothing to do with treasure (unless you want to count going to heaven when you die as a treasure). Someone actually made the observations that I describe here in the 1560s. They have no business being associated with OI, but Mahone Bay is certainly large enough to accommodate it for anyone who would have wanted to do that in 1840.
What history tells us is that OI is a detailed fabrication that is using bits and pieces of other stories that have appeal to people. IMO, there would be no Freemasonic interest in the place if it were not for the fact that many Freemasons are convinced that the plan to settle North America and create the USA was a Freemasonic plan from the very beginning. To a small degree they are right (there was such a thing early on), but they are wrong on the whole because the early ideas of the paradoxical compass only every produced symbolic links and choices. As is often the case people try and aggrandize the contributions of Freemasons to history (to create a grand arching narrative). To us it is just an interesting afterthought. I can assure you that the long list of Freemasons who have been the custodians of this OI story do not "know". They suspect, and accept what some have told them, and it is a matter of belief to them that their role playing matters and has mattered in the history of the USA. Let them believe that. Know what stories are influencing them. Do not strive to believe them. They are based in very weird ideas like the significance of Great Circles which capture Christian numerological symbolism and events like the appearance of the Stella Nova in the Northern Cross asterism in 1600. The long list of wackadoodle thinking required to justify these beliefs is one of the reasons you can't treat this story in the mainstream. At the first sight of the details everyone's bullshit radar sounds off. In this case we have to recognize that the realities of Freemasonry are stranger than a lot of fictions that are used to sell books about OI. My intent is largely to share what others have noted petty early on about this in Nova Scotia (where I live). I've looked into a lot of this. The truth behind the fictions is strange, but living in 1560 must have been strange too. I've less patience for the people who lived in the the 1760s who still hung on to this stuff. By the 1840s there was an esoteric revival in full swing in North America. It all came bubbling back to he surface. After it fizzled, the OI story morphed into the Kidd stories and then other theories like the one concerning the vault of Tudor documents. I' ll happy discuss this, and I really have no interest in any of the cap that gets popularized today to try and make Templar links to what has no Templar influence at all. Anyone who wants to explain away OI has my blessing, but saying there's nothing there isn't quite as much as we can say about why this has developed the way it has

 

[TruthbeTold]

You wished to be spared the answer to your own question. For it is the math. The stones yield numbers. The Cross in its size and the Pyramid in its angles. I didnt created the message. Medieval monks did and they did not do it to please your conceptual continuity.

What you ask cannot be done for you must do it and won't. May I suggest you move on.

You have lost all credibility in using a video from a fictional scripted reality show as evidence to support your fictional story.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

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