Oak Island Question

[SIZZLE ADLER]

Is it just me, or when searching for something, wouldn’t you start with something already there? I noticed that during the season, can after can was examined while the pond just sat there unexplored. Surely, as a starting point, the pond would be a great place to begin?

There are 13 megalithic stones that have layers of data. The cross 867X720. The stone triangle is a 3 sided pyramid with 720 internal and first external is 147+720=867. The cipher is left in the stones of Taurus, Cross, Pyramid, Hyades, December triangle, eye in the swamp. Its a cipher of a nautical nature.

 

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[SIZZLE ADLER]

First, let's ask what anyone is searching for on Oak Island? They don't know. So . . . why assume some unknown treasure is there rather than anywhere else?

TV hype. Nothing else. 27 groups have sifted the island and, unless someone was smart and followed the "Shush Rule", nothing has been found. Guess why.

The people involved in the search are amateurs and have no idea what they are doing. The clues are written in stone and the message is redundant. Us subtraction on the Cross and addition on the Pyramid. Then apply the results to the chart of Taurus. Treasure at 233' off the south shore of the old smith's cove.

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

Grab a shovel and prove it.

 

[SSR]

Log platforms every 10' was yet another tall tale just like the 90' stone.

It's a story detail, yes. Why would anyone who wants to feed you a story dress it up with so many nice round numbers? Are we to believe that the platforms were not potentially only approximately 10 feet apart? Probably not. The numbers as given matter enough to keep repeating them. It is why we have things which no one can even show that do have surviving descriptions and that still offer the opportunity to "puzzle" about them. The goal was likely that enough would survive to forever draw interest. What can we infer of a circular hole on a surface that is characterized with 9 levels of depth. Why place a symbolic polished rectangular stone of dimension 5x8 at that level? There are unrelated stories that might suggest you do that. Shouldn't that make us suspicious of a borrowing of detail?

There were not three boys sailing to an uninhabited island, but three is likely an essential starting story detail. No discovery of a hole was made in 1795, but the date, 33 years after the geometric planning and laying out of the Island in 1762 is probably an essential numerical detail to scream out MYSTERY (33 is the Western esoteric symbol associated with the "mystery of all mysteries"). 40 years from the arrival of the God fearing Rhode Island settlers for the discovery of the stone is probably an important numerical detail too. 40 symbols on that stone and rumors of treasure 40 feet below....An alleged marked off cross of 5x8 proportion with an internal 40 degree angle, surely repeats the 40 for some effect.

What do we actually know about the money pit story that is not numeric or geometrically given? It was located at the highest point of the island, 30-33 feet or so above sea level, depending on who you reference. You wouldn't have to specify anything else to know where to roughly find it. You'd certainly not need a million markers and criss crossing lines left on the ground to remind you. Why would it be necessary to be pointed to by an equilateral triangle of dimension 10,10,10 with an internal offset which cuts the base at 40% of it's length? Why have that pointer point N? Is it to tell us that the Cross asterism In Cygnus (at celestial declination 40 N) in the daily sets exactly below the horizon at N once a day at this latitude? Why repeat this detail that is found at still another monument located at the same latitude that OI is located at. Well, that's all very interesting to me. Having to mark out something at latitude 44.51N in Mahone Bay would require you to use that island if you wanted to be reasonably precise with a geo-metric suggestion. With some degree of consistency one can repeat what is found elsewhere there if you actually did want to draw attention to the symbolic cross of crucifixion in the sky as a beacon.

The legends leave us with details like circles and recognizable numbers we can familiarly attribute to regular geometry. 90 degrees for a straight angle. 30 and 60 as internal subdivisions of it which work as a pair of complimentary angles in a triangle. Near success at 111 feet., A "vault" located 153 feet that sinks into the abyss when approached... None of this is random in its symbolic association, and it most certainly not well measured enough to bother emphasizing it as a real empiric detail associated with real events. It would appear that symbols mattered more to the story peddlers like Reginal Harris than actual details over the years.

Step 1 at OI is using the historical record to determine the story does not compute. Step 2 is trying to understand why some details have survived to try and still be made to work on us. A lot of people are happy to stop at step 1 as it implies there isn't a treasure there (call off the searches). I'm surprised there are not more of those who would entertain step 2. Step 2 probbly has more to do with the intention of grabbing your attention after the fool's errands are exhausted.

I'm not sure what to say about those who successfully suspend their disbelief in the face a mountain of demonstrable refutations of the dubious details. It probably just means that those who want to believe will never be dissuaded from going on a fool's errand.

 

[pepperj]

It's a story detail, yes. Why would anyone who wants to feed you a story dress it up with so many nice round numbers? Are we to believe that the platforms were not potentially only approximately 10 feet apart? Probably not. The numbers as given matter enough to keep repeating them. It is why we have things which no one can even show that do have surviving descriptions and that still offer the opportunity to "puzzle" about them. The goal was likely that enough would survive to forever draw interest. What can we infer of a circular hole on a surface that is characterized with 9 levels of depth. Why place a symbolic polished rectangular stone of dimension 5x8 at that level? There are unrelated stories that might suggest you do that. Shouldn't that make us suspicious of a borrowing of detail?

There were not three boys sailing to an uninhabited island, but three is likely an essential starting story detail. No discovery of a hole was made in 1795, but the date, 33 years after the geometric planning and laying out of the Island in 1762 is probably an essential numerical detail to scream out MYSTERY (33 is the Western esoteric symbol associated with the "mystery of all mysteries"). 40 years from the arrival of the God fearing Rhode Island settlers for the discovery of the stone is probably an important numerical detail too. 40 symbols on that stone and rumors of treasure 40 feet below....An alleged marked off cross of 5x8 proportion with an internal 40 degree angle, surely repeats the 40 for some effect.

What do we actually know about the money pit story that is not numeric or geometrically given? It was located at the highest point of the island, 30-33 feet or so above sea level, depending on who you reference. You wouldn't have to specify anything else to know where to roughly find it. You'd certainly not need a million markers and criss crossing lines left on the ground to remind you. Why would it be necessary to be pointed to by an equilateral triangle of dimension 10,10,10 with an internal offset which cuts the base at 40% of it's length? Why have that pointer point N? Is it to tell us that the Cross asterism In Cygnus (at celestial declination 40 N) in the daily sets exactly below the horizon at N once a day at this latitude? Why repeat this detail that is found at still another monument located at the same latitude that OI is located at. Well, that's all very interesting to me. Having to mark out something at latitude 44.51N in Mahone Bay would require you to use that island if you wanted to be reasonably precise with a geo-metric suggestion. With some degree of consistency one can repeat what is found elsewhere there if you actually did want to draw attention to the symbolic cross of crucifixion in the sky as a beacon.

The legends leave us with details like circles and recognizable numbers we can familiarly attribute to regular geometry. 90 degrees for a straight angle. 30 and 60 as internal subdivisions of it which work as a pair of complimentary angles in a triangle. Near success at 111 feet., A "vault" located 153 feet that sinks into the abyss when approached... None of this is random in its symbolic association, and it most certainly not well measured enough to bother emphasizing it as a real empiric detail associated with real events. It would appear that symbols mattered more to the story peddlers like Reginal Harris than actual details over the years.

Step 1 at OI is using the historical record to determine the story does not compute. Step 2 is trying to understand why some details have survived to try and still be made to work on us. A lot of people are happy to stop at step 1 as it implies there isn't a treasure there (call off the searches). I'm surprised there are not more of those who would entertain step 2. Step 2 probbly has more to do with the intention of grabbing your attention after the fool's errands are exhausted.

I'm not sure what to say about those who successfully suspend their disbelief in the face a mountain of demonstrable refutations of the dubious details. It probably just means that those who want to believe will never be dissuaded from going on a fool's errand.

I gave the post the "winner" icon.

For probably the best word salad explanation of why.

Just wowed at the ability of analyzing and constructing such a narrative.

 

[SSR]

What do think of the idea that the original 3 actually found a caved-in sawpit? It would explain the necessity of a platform at 10 ft, and if old enough the sawdust could have composted.

There are no original three boys making a discovery at OI. No depression was found on Casper Wollenhaupt's old land in 1795 by a young John Smith who bought that already well used land in that year. The story detail of the depression under the tree is taken directly from the account of the events at Hobson's Nose, NS, South of OI in Mahone Bay, which dates to ca. 1830. Prior to 1830 that are not known OI treasure legends. What we repeat from the alleged treasure seeker efforts dates to the 1840s. The backdating of events to earlier dates only happened in the late 1850s after John Smith died. Those were given by Vaughn who is not a reputable individual to begin with. The reason they first appear in the newspapers in Halifax in the early 1860s is because that's about when they came to light to be reported on.

Two works describing the folklore of the region were written in the 1820s. A treasure story at OI is not mentioned and neither are ongoing efforts to dig a deep hole using some consortium of individuals. We have more than enough to situate ourselves when it comes to knowing about the evolution of the stories. It made no sense to the Historian DesBrisay that the story had shifted from Hobson's Nose to OI. He wrote his observations about this borrowing of detail in the 1890s in a time when the story had further evolved to be about the concealment of Tudor era documents that would confirm that Francis Bacon had written Shakespeare. This would not have been possible before Constance Mary Fearon Pott had popularized the theory in 1891 by publishing a popular series of books about it. The pattern is the same. Someone makes a suggestion that gets accepted and then the story shifts. Each and every time it does some magical disappearing relic gets found which serves to confirm the validity of the new theory. For all the time the Chappell's dug at OI from the 1890s to the 1930s they rejected the idea there was a treasure there. When you listen to the show, they would have you believe there's been an ongoing search for a treasure of gold and silver for over 200 years. That's simply not the case. There have only ever been a handful of wishful thinkers who got on board of that fool's errand. It's unfortunate that they have been given so much visibility. Each and every one has tried to twist the story to make it more real than it is. Now, government resources that could be made to advance our understanding of history is funneled to try nd produce tourism revenue in a truly incestuous relationship of interests.

 

[SIZZLE ADLER]

Grab a shovel and prove it.

Its on someone else's property in another country. Your statement indicates you didn't read the post for comprehension. Admittedly its a complex cipher as they pieced it together frugally.

It can withstand any truth. You or Sagan cannot disprove in any way shape or form. back to you: Disprove it.

 

[Limitool]

Its on someone else's property in another country. Your statement indicates you didn't read the post for comprehension. Admittedly its a complex cipher as they pieced it together frugally.

It can withstand any truth. You or Sagan cannot disprove in any way shape or form. back to you: Disprove it.

Are you asking someone to "disprove" something you don't even know is true...? What kind of logic is that...?

 

[pepperj]

Its on someone else's property in another country. Your statement indicates you didn't read the post for comprehension. Admittedly its a complex cipher as they pieced it together frugally.

It can withstand any truth. You or Sagan cannot disprove in any way shape or form. back to you: Disprove it.

Oh darn it, wouldn't you know it.
I just can't believe that this has happened again.
Every time a person states where the treasures is located. Then the readership says go get it.

It seems that it's on private, or lands far away, and they're not able to obtain it because of logistics or permission.

So close yet so far.

 

[releventchair]

Its on someone else's property in another country. Your statement indicates you didn't read the post for comprehension. Admittedly its a complex cipher as they pieced it together frugally.

It can withstand any truth. You or Sagan cannot disprove in any way shape or form. back to you: Disprove it.

Cipher? Oh boy. That's how treasures are buried that evaporate. Ciphers.
After all , who was supposed to retrieve it but avid cipher interpreters. Despite the frugality of prior cipher writers because ciphers are , frugal?
Frugal cipher. Huh. It doesn't turn up in my cipher search. Who named it's type as "Frugal"?



No tangible evidence and no factual base of faith in a given lead followed by no treasure shown = no treasure.

This is Oak Island treasure that isn't.
If you're on another country's ground with your dull shovel you're not on Oak Island.
Well at least not the Nova Scotia Oak Island.
Or is that why you can't prove anything? Your not a Nova Scotian and therefore not allowed on Oak Island for some reason?

Dang it!
Templar Freemasons should only be allowed to bury great treasures on public ground in neutral countries.
Let alone carving extensive deep tunnels below the waterline in sand to hide it all.

 

[SIZZLE ADLER]

Are you asking someone to "disprove" something you don't even know is true...? What kind of logic is that...?

I have put forth a mathematically redundant proof. You cannot disprove it with facts such as math. Its medieval so a lot is going to be 'mystical' or have to do with lore.

I cannot dig at the site. Its on private property in another country. The ramp needs to be 429 feet long. That isnt a one man operation. You ask the impossible of me. Ask the owners to dig.
.

 

[SIZZLE ADLER]

Oh darn it, wouldn't you know it.
I just can't believe that this has happened again.
Every time a person states where the treasures is located. Then the readership says go get it.

It seems that it's on private, or lands far away, and they're not able to obtain it because of logistics or permission.

So close yet so far.

Yes, true. However, the blind searchers might have their eyes opened and their hands directed if its talked up. Those guys get dozens of theories daily.

Talk it up. I'll post more info after the holidays.

 

[releventchair]

I have put forth a mathematically redundant proof. You cannot disprove it with facts such as math. Its medieval so a lot is going to be 'mystical' or have to do with lore.

I cannot dig at the site. Its on private property in another country. The ramp needs to be 429 feet long. That isnt a one man operation. You ask the impossible of me. Ask the owners to dig.
.

Math? Oh boy.
No wonder we're not looking at pictures of treasure you located.
that's almost as bad as logistics!

How long was the ramp on Noah's Ark?

 

[SSR]

Cipher? Oh boy. That's how treasures are buried that evaporate. Ciphers.
After all , who was supposed to retrieve it but avid cipher interpreters. Despite the frugality of prior cipher writers because ciphers are , frugal?
Frugal cipher. Huh. It doesn't turn up in my cipher search. Who named it's type as "Frugal"?



No tangible evidence and no factual base of faith in a given lead followed by no treasure shown = no treasure.

This is Oak Island treasure that isn't.
If you're on another country's ground with your dull shovel you're not on Oak Island.
Well at least not the Nova Scotia Oak Island.
Or is that why you can't prove anything? Your not a Nova Scotian and therefore not allowed on Oak Island for some reason?

Dang it!
Templar Freemasons should only be allowed to bury great treasures on public ground in neutral countries.
Let alone carving extensive deep tunnels below the waterline in sand to hide it all.

There are no Templar Freemasons. There are only Freemasons who have Knights Templar degrees. It's part of the role playing charade they like to maintain.

1. 28th Degree (Knight Commander of the Temple): Formerly the 27th Degree in the Southern Jurisdiction of the United States, this degree is a commemoration of the Knights Templar’s military and chivalric traditions.

The fun thing about Freemasons is that they generally have no clue of their own origins. There's a million different possible theories about their own roots. That's something that matches the OI story. Let's all just dress up and pretend to be who we are not...lol

 

[SIZZLE ADLER]

Cipher? Oh boy. That's how treasures are buried that evaporate. Ciphers.
After all , who was supposed to retrieve it but avid cipher interpreters. Despite the frugality of prior cipher writers because ciphers are , frugal?
Frugal cipher. Huh. It doesn't turn up in my cipher search. Who named it's type as "Frugal"?



No tangible evidence and no factual base of faith in a given lead followed by no treasure shown = no treasure.

This is Oak Island treasure that isn't.
If you're on another country's ground with your dull shovel you're not on Oak Island.
Well at least not the Nova Scotia Oak Island.
Or is that why you can't prove anything? Your not a Nova Scotian and therefore not allowed on Oak Island for some reason?

Dang it!
Templar Freemasons should only be allowed to bury great treasures on public ground in neutral countries.
Let alone carving extensive deep tunnels below the waterline in sand to hide it all.

If you had put in the effort that this response took on reading the mathematically redundant you might have seen it.

Each feature has an exposed thread by way of a clue. Oh yes they left 9'x9' megalithic boulders 13 of them. they left in Stone (Forever) A Cross, a Pyramid, the Hyades, DECEMBER TRIANGLE, an EYE. All permanently created in stone.

You doubt they left it as you wonder who would discover it. Well the Cross is 1986, Taurus 2018 and Pyramid 2021. Its only been irrecoverable since 2021.

I am somewhat uniquely qualified. A descendant of Arron, brother to Moses, first priest of the Ark. A highly trained Navigator. I grew up in New Rochelle in the home of a mason and have an off the charts capacity in spatial relations. (La Rochelle was the last place the Ark was seen and a sister city to New Rochelle.)

I decoded the Pyramid and was the very first to have all the clues.

Can you find ANY fault with the cipher?

 

[SIZZLE ADLER]

Math? Oh boy.
No wonder we're not looking at pictures of treasure you located.
that's almost as bad as logistics!

How long was the ramp on Noah's Ark?

I am not a know it all. Noahs Ark was a different Ark and isnt spoken of in the cipher.

I have made substantial inroads in solving a 700 year mystery and you don't even have a point. I am 2200 miles away from the dig and do not have the ability to pick up the phone and call.

Yet you have the luxury of knowing the heretofore unknown and have nothing better to do than waste my time.

 

[Limitool]

I have put forth a mathematically redundant proof. You cannot disprove it with facts such as math. Its medieval so a lot is going to be 'mystical' or have to do with lore.

I cannot dig at the site. Its on private property in another country. The ramp needs to be 429 feet long. That isnt a one man operation. You ask the impossible of me. Ask the owners to dig.

I never asked you for a damn thing except answering a question. You want someone to disprove something you don't even know is true I asked. I think the whole thing is nothing but a great tale embellished by a few who play into it. YOU ASK THE OWNERS...! YOU GET PERMISSION...! YOU GO TO THEM AND PUT AN X OUT FOR THEM TO DIG...! Hell send them a letter.

But nobody is interested in disproving your theory. That's like proving a false truth in reverse. You pursue it. Stamps are cheap... get writing.

 

[SIZZLE ADLER]

There are 13 megalithic stones that have layers of data. The cross 867X720. The stone triangle is a 3 sided pyramid with 720 internal and first external is 147+720=867. The cipher is left in the stones of Taurus, Cross, Pyramid, Hyades, December triangle, eye in the swamp. Its a cipher of a nautical nature.

By accident you are correct. There are 6 visible stones of Taurus. The 7th - ALDEBARAN is in the swamp. Its the start point. There is a plot on the cross it gets transferred to that point and it reveals the location of "X" about 145' away

 

[SSR]

I have put forth a mathematically redundant proof. You cannot disprove it with facts such as math. Its medieval so a lot is going to be 'mystical' or have to do with lore.

I cannot dig at the site. Its on private property in another country. The ramp needs to be 429 feet long. That isnt a one man operation. You ask the impossible of me. Ask the owners to dig.

It's good thing that you cannot dig, because it would eventually force you to alter your star chart theories ad infinitum. Many have tried what you play with to try and unravel the alchemical hocus pocus based in Chaldean numerology. They are always forced to be creative to try and rescue their beliefs. The stories are allegorical if they are anything. They get adorned with things that look to us like provable math statements in the hope that transfer occurs, and that we start thinking that one thing confirms the other. To succeed is to walk away from the shovel and to embrace a literary approach.

 

[SIZZLE ADLER]

It's good thing that you cannot dig, because it would eventually force you to alter your star chart theories ad infinitum. Many have tried what you play with to try and unravel the alchemical hocus pocus based in Chaldean numerology. They are always forced to be creative to try and rescue their beliefs. The stories are allegorical if they are anything. They get adorned with things that look to us like provable math statements in the hope that transfer occurs, and that we start thinking that one thing confirms the other. To succeed is to walk away from the shovel and to embrace a literary approach.

Its addition in the Pyramid and subtraction in the Cross with a jig of Trig. Maybe thats voodoo to you. If you don;t have a question worthy of addressing your future posed will be ignored.