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[deducer]

Yea 400 square feet is small, especially for Massachusetts. Hell, if I brought all mine online I would have a little over 2100 square feet and I live in Arizona.

I bought a 30 kw array of 120 250 way solar panels at a government auction years ago for pennies on the dollar. I only need 7.5 kw to power my hunting camp at a little over 2000 square feet.

But I also have damn near a megawatt of battery storage in reconditioned forklift batteries too. Got those at auction too dirt cheap.

Of course all my appliances there ar 12 volt and the refridgerator is a solar model along with the freezers in the basement. Yes my hunting camp in Arizona has a basement.

So if deducer would really like to argue the in and outs of solar power with me, I'm good to go.

Why would I argue with someone who is pro-solar, and actually uses it?

 

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[Al D]

You made the claim that what you saw was "too small to do anythng else than charge batteries as an emergency back up" without even knowing the size and type of panels that you saw in the picture. I am curious as to how you came to that conclusion.

This is what a 12 kw system should look like

 

[Al D]

You made the claim that what you saw was "too small to do anythng else than charge batteries as an emergency back up" without even knowing the size and type of panels that you saw in the picture. I am curious as to how you came to that conclusion.

The same way that I know this is not 900 feet tall

 

[azdave35]

Why would I argue with someone who is pro-solar, and actually uses it?

if you really want a dirt cheap way to cool your house check into geo thermal cooling

 

[Mad Machinist]

if you really want a dirt cheap way to cool your house check into geo thermal cooling

It actually works very well. That is one of the reasons I can get away with a 7.5 kw system at my hunting camp. Doesn't take much to power it either. Kinda forgot about it in all of thus.

One thing about geothermal though is to check your local area about water rights. That will determine if you need to out in an open loop system or a closed loop system. Ak open loop system is a little cheaper to install if you have water rights or there are no laws against "borrrowing" the water. If there are laws, then you have to go closed loop which is a little more expensive.

 

[deducer]

if you really want a dirt cheap way to cool your house check into geo thermal cooling

I'm familiar with geothermal, and it works best with a radiant heating system.

Saves quite a bit of money as opposed to heating oil which can crush you during a cold winter up here in New England.

Anything is better than depending on fossil fuel.

 

[azdave35]

I'm familiar with geothermal, and it works best with a radiant heating system.

Saves quite a bit of money as opposed to heating oil which can crush you during a cold winter up here in New England.

Anything is better than depending on fossil fuel.

actually the geo thermal i'm talking about involves burying 100 ft of 8 inch diameter pvc pipe 5 ft underground....on the intake end you put a fan on the pipe and run the exhaust end into your home..as the air flows through the pipe it is cooled as the temp of the ground is about 72 degrees.....you then have 72 degree air coming into your home...something to check into

 

[somehiker]

actually the geo thermal i'm talking about involves burying 100 ft of 8 inch diameter pvc pipe 5 ft underground....on the intake end you put a fan on the pipe and run the exhaust end into your home..as the air flows through the pipe it is cooled as the temp of the ground is about 72 degrees.....you then have 72 degree air coming into your home...something to check into

Which is also a system that could easily be powered by a minimal capacity solar system....and could also incorporate "swamp' cooling and air filtration/purification. Especially if summer daytime/winter nighttime closed-loop circulation is employed and the dwelling is built so that it is partly under the surface itself.

 

[azdave35]

Which is also a system that could easily be powered by a minimal capacity solar system....and could also incorporate "swamp' cooling and air filtration/purification. Especially if summer daytime/winter nighttime closed-loop circulation is employed and the dwelling is built so that it is partly under the surface itself.

you could use a 12 volt fan powered by a solar cell to run it fairly easy

 

[deducer]

There you go. I knew you guys would start to see the light, eventually.

 

[azdave35]

There you go. I knew you guys would start to see the light, eventually.

i've always seen the light..

 

[somehiker]

There you go. I knew you guys would start to see the light, eventually.

Seen it when it's there at least, and have been interested in the technology since the mid sixties.

 

[Mad Machinist]

There you go. I knew you guys would start to see the light, eventually.

Oh I seen "the light" many, many years ago. Just not in the way you think.

 

[Carl995]

somewhere i have small wafers that when you apply 2 volts, it freezes on 1 side & gets hot on the other. was used in the old satellite LNA's.
I always wondered if I had a wall of them..........?

 

[Al D]

somewhere i have small wafers that when you apply 2 volts, it freezes on 1 side & gets hot on the other. was used in the old satellite LNA's.
I always wondered if I had a wall of them..........?

Peltier devices, really neat

 

[deducer]

Point being, there are all these creative alternatives to using fossil fuels, of which the technology has become stagnant, as well as having been perfected into a monopoly. The potential of renewable energy is relatively untapped, and contains tremendous benefits.

 

[sdcfia]

actually the geo thermal i'm talking about involves burying 100 ft of 8 inch diameter pvc pipe 5 ft underground....on the intake end you put a fan on the pipe and run the exhaust end into your home..as the air flows through the pipe it is cooled as the temp of the ground is about 72 degrees.....you then have 72 degree air coming into your home...something to check into

In a reverse procedure, they've been using this sort of scheme for generations in Minnesota to access 50º air to help heat their homes in winter (deeper burial). It's also nice to have preheated intake air for wood stoves when it's 30 below zero. A lot of those Norwegians and Finlanders in the north woods also pre-heated their water heater supply by running it through black-painted pipes and old wh cores on their house roofs. A lot of this stuff isn't new technology, it's just common sense, what they used to call Yankee ingenuity before that became hate speech.

 

[dredgernaut]

I.M.O. the ironic part of new renewable energy is that in order to produce all the needed components. It takes a considerable amount of mining and manufacturing to produce the required elements. put them all together to make a functional system. It takes metals , plastics , greases, oils and gases , battery's , acids , aluminum , copper and gold , and the list goes on and on. Soo if you need to mine or manufacture more to provide all needed materials. Then are you really helping the planet much. Or are you hoping to save money in the long run on your power bill and just maybe your helping the planet a little. lol.
Please don't get me wrong , I am all for renewables resources. Buuuut there is a downside to it also. We need to make enough equipment to convert the existing infrastructure of the world.... To save the world.
Do you realize how much environmental damage would be caused world wide to mine and manufacture all that...
Mining and manufacture are some of the leading causes of Global Warming so they say. Lets amp that up a little to fix the problem....
P.S. the world has been slowly heating up since the last ice age, and our couple hundred years of written records do not tell us what is happening with the planet. We could have no idea what this planet wants to do. we are just trying to ride along. I.M.O. anyways . but keep up the good work..... I am going mining.

 

[sdcfia]

I.M.O. the ironic part of new renewable energy is that in order to produce all the needed components. It takes a considerable amount of mining and manufacturing to produce the required elements. put them all together to make a functional system. It takes metals , plastics , greases, oils and gases , battery's , acids , aluminum , copper and gold , and the list goes on and on. Soo if you need to mine or manufacture more to provide all needed materials. Then are you really helping the planet much. Or are you hoping to save money in the long run on your power bill and just maybe your helping the planet a little. lol.
Please don't get me wrong , I am all for renewables resources. Buuuut there is a downside to it also. We need to make enough equipment to convert the existing infrastructure of the world.... To save the world.
Do you realize how much environmental damage would be caused world wide to mine and manufacture all that...
Mining and manufacture are some of the leading causes of Global Warming so they say. Lets amp that up a little to fix the problem....
P.S. the world has been slowly heating up since the last ice age, and our couple hundred years of written records do not tell us what is happening with the planet. We could have no idea what this planet wants to do. we are just trying to ride along. I.M.O. anyways . but keep up the good work..... I am going mining.

The Earth is a self-regulating entity, primarily governed by the Sun to constantly attain varying states of equilibrium over the eons. Man's problems are in his mind only, a result of his poorly controlled folly.

 

[Al D]

Renewable energy is being sold to the public as a simple, “plug & play” solution to our energy and environmental problems, this is just a sales gimmick
wind power and solar power cannot support major industrial processes like steel forging and aluminum processing without having a huge negative impact upon the environment, just look at the wind farms in palm springs Ca.
what used to be a beautiful landscape now looks worse than signal hill looked like during the oil rush
meanwhile, no one looks at the benefits of nuclear due to the high risk and waste containment issues.
there will have to be trade offs, but the desires of home owners will not drive the implementation of new energy solutions. It is industry that will do that and as long as we are comfortable with having heavy industry dominated by China, then we can delude ourselves into thinking that we are making a difference by installing a few solar panels on our homes.