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[Mad Machinist]

most of the people i know that lost their houses did so because of their own stupidity.....they had a house worth 150k that suddenly shot up to 500k so the first thing they did was get a loan on their overinflated house and buy a bunch of toys...boats..hot rods...atv's....and when they market crashed they had to pay a 500k mortgage on a house that was only worth 100k...so they went bankrupt and stuck the bank with the note...smart people didn't lose their houses in 2008...just the idiots did

And the nail gets hit squarely on the head. I survived the 2008 crash just fine, but then again, I didn't have myself mortgaged to the hilt to keep up with the Smith's and Jones's.

The people who did that dont deserve to be bailed out for their own stupidity, just like the banks didn't deserve to be bailed out for their own stupidity.

ANYONE who takes out an adjustable rate mortgage has no one to blame but themselves for buying a house they couldn't afford in the first place.

 

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[azdave35]

And the nail gets hit squarely on the head. I survived the 2008 crash just fine, but then again, I didn't have myself mortgaged to the hilt to keep up with the Smith's and Jones's.

The people who did that dont deserve to be bailed out for their own stupidity, just like the banks didn't deserve to be bailed out for their own stupidity.

ANYONE who takes out an adjustable rate mortgage has no one to blame but themselves for buying a house they couldn't afford in the first place.

the banks were loaning anybody money when the boom was on..they didn't care because they knew the market would crash and they would get the houses back

 

[somehiker]

July 3 update.
Very good map down page.....

https://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/6382/

 

[somehiker]

the banks were loaning anybody money when the boom was on..they didn't care because they knew the market would crash and they would get the houses back

Remember the net being awash with adds by speculators who claimed to have become overnight millionaires by purchasing and flipping houses with no down payment required ? Or minimums of 3% down ?
" Buy this book or video course ". All of them were promoting the use of the Gov't backed programs available at that time....legal scamming really.

 

[Mad Machinist]

Have fun guys, I'm out. Got bigger fish to fry. I'm pretty famn sure I just figured out how to get a 2 ton per hour hardrock operation going for under $60k. Gotta work out the details. Stay tuned.

 

[AbTexEx]

Another Twitter update





AJones

 

[PotBelly Jim]

Some verifiable science stuff for treasure hunters

Some Geo-Stuff for Treasure Hunters and Researchers

Decimal Degree Geo-coordinates unit breakdown, I.E how accurate is that coordinate on the ground? If you remember the number 111, you will know how close you are to within the following amount of meters:

One degree = 111km (111,000 meters)

1[SUP]st[/SUP] decimal place: 11.1km (11,100 meters)

2[SUP]nd[/SUP] decimal place: 1.1km (1,100 meters)

3[SUP]rd[/SUP] decimal place: 110m (.110km)

4[SUP]th[/SUP] decimal place: 11m (.011km)

5[SUP]th[/SUP] decimal place: 1.1m (.0011km)

6[SUP]th[/SUP] decimal place: 0.11m (.00011km)

All you have to know is the number 111, and that one degree is worth 111km. Every decimal after that shifts the decimal point to the left. So if you have a geo-coordinate with say, 4 decimal places, you know that this coordinate is accurate to within 11 meters.

In reality, one degree is about 111.03km, but this system is close enough for general map reading etc. Actually more than close enough. You will never know the difference.

This next part will make more than a few people’s eyes glaze over. But, have you ever been given some sets of coordinates, and wondered how far apart they are on the ground?

What most people do is plot them on a map, then measure the distance on the map, comparing it to the map scale at the bottom to get a rough distance.

If any of you have a scientific calculator and want to do this without a map, you can get the 2D distance (not accounting for elevation differences (3D), which you don't want in this case) with the following formula:



Where:

x = 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] latitude — 1[SUP]st[/SUP] latitude (just subtract the first latitude position from the second one)

y = 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] longitude — 1[SUP]st[/SUP] longitude * cos(1[SUP]st[/SUP] latitude)

And there you have it. The answer will be in kilometers.

 

[sdcfia]

Some Geo-Stuff for Treasure Hunters and Researchers

Decimal Degree Geo-coordinates unit breakdown, I.E how accurate is that coordinate on the ground? If you remember the number 111, you will know how close you are to within the following amount of meters:

One degree = 111km (111,000 meters)

1[SUP]st[/SUP] decimal place: 11.1km (11,100 meters)

2[SUP]nd[/SUP] decimal place: 1.1km (1,100 meters)

3[SUP]rd[/SUP] decimal place: 110m (.110km)

4[SUP]th[/SUP] decimal place: 11m (.011km)

5[SUP]th[/SUP] decimal place: 1.1m (.0011km)

6[SUP]th[/SUP] decimal place: 0.11m (.00011km)

All you have to know is the number 111, and that one degree is worth 111km. Every decimal after that shifts the decimal point to the left. So if you have a geo-coordinate with say, 4 decimal places, you know that this coordinate is accurate to within 11 meters.

In reality, one degree is about 111.03km, but this system is close enough for general map reading etc. Actually more than close enough. You will never know the difference.

This next part will make more than a few people’s eyes glaze over. But, have you ever been given some sets of coordinates, and wondered how far apart they are on the ground?

What most people do is plot them on a map, then measure the distance on the map, comparing it to the map scale at the bottom to get a rough distance.

If any of you have a scientific calculator and want to do this without a map, you can get the 2D distance (not accounting for elevation differences (3D), which you don't want in this case) with the following formula:

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Where:

x = 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] latitude — 1[SUP]st[/SUP] latitude (just subtract the first latitude position from the second one)

y = 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] longitude — 1[SUP]st[/SUP] longitude * cos(1[SUP]st[/SUP] latitude)

And there you have it. The answer will be in kilometers.

Good info Jim.

Also keep in mind that a degree of latitude is nearly the same between the equator and the poles (about 69 miles/111 km)- mostly insignificant for what we do.

However, depending on the latitude, a degree of longitude varies between about 69 miles/111 km) at the equator to zero at the poles. For us, it may enter into the mapping. At Nogales AZ we have 59.2 miles/95.2 km, but at Salt Lake City it shrinks to 52.4 miles/84.4 km). This is significant. Length Of A Degree Of Latitude And Longitude Calculator

 

[sdcfia]

[h=1]Coolest/Wettest January-June on record in the USA this year.[/h]
https://realclimatescience.com/2019/07/coolest-wettest-january-june-on-record-in-the-us/

 

[Real of Tayopa]

I refse to talk/argue politics,or discuss WWll. I will say this, vote !

 

[PotBelly Jim]

Good info Jim.

Also keep in mind that a degree of latitude is nearly the same between the equator and the poles (about 69 miles/111 km)- mostly insignificant for what we do.

However, depending on the latitude, a degree of longitude varies between about 69 miles/111 km) at the equator to zero at the poles. For us, it may enter into the mapping. At Nogales AZ we have 59.2 miles/95.2 km, but at Salt Lake City it shrinks to 52.4 miles/84.4 km). This is significant. Length Of A Degree Of Latitude And Longitude Calculator

Excellent point, Steve. One that I've struggled with in navigating near the poles. Back before there were computers. Most modern maps are printed/digitized using a Mercator projection, which minimizes this effect. But still something to keep in mind. In this type of projection, latitudes can be a bit "squashed" near the equator. This is why we always used lines of latitude of the area we were in, as rough distance scales, instead of the distance scale at the bottom of the map.

 

[Loke]

Thank goodness we're back to sanity! Keep it coming lads!

 

[AbTexEx]

Until further notice.


AJones

 

[deducer]

[h=1]Coolest/Wettest January-June on record in the USA this year.[/h]
https://realclimatescience.com/2019/07/coolest-wettest-january-june-on-record-in-the-us/

I spent the 4th of July weekend on Nantucket Island, at this house which is off the grid- has it's own power supply and water source (the solar panels are in the right picture). I was not told by the owners that I had to conserve anything or do anything different. They even had more than one HDTV's. They furthermore didn't experience harassment from the power company, government or monopoly representatives. They've lived like this for a long time and have experienced no ill-effects.

 

[azdave35]

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I spent the 4th of July weekend on Nantucket Island, at this house which is off the grid- has it's own power supply and water source (the solar panels are in the right picture). I was not told by the owners that I had to conserve anything or do anything different. They even had more than one HDTV's. They furthermore didn't experience harassment from the power company, government or monopoly representatives. They've lived like this for a long time and have experienced no ill-effects.

how much did he have to spend to get set up?..looks like he ain't broke...lol

 

[somehiker]

how much did he have to spend to get set up?..looks like he ain't broke...lol

Probably not.......https://www.estately.com/MA/Nantucket

And you can bet that setup doesn't heat or cool the place, or even keep the batteries fully charged during the winter months.

 

[Al D]

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I spent the 4th of July weekend on Nantucket Island, at this house which is off the grid- has it's own power supply and water source (the solar panels are in the right picture). I was not told by the owners that I had to conserve anything or do anything different. They even had more than one HDTV's. They furthermore didn't experience harassment from the power company, government or monopoly representatives. They've lived like this for a long time and have experienced no ill-effects.

That can’t be the whole solar array for the household, they must be getting power from somewhere else, that array is too small to do much more than charge batteries as an emergency back up.

 

[Owassokie]

how much did he have to spend to get set up?..looks like he ain't broke...lol

The good news (for him) is that YOU and I paid for him "to be green". Between incentives, rebates, and tax breaks, his cost was likely reduced anywhere from 30 to 50%. That's what makes it "affordable". Even with the ridiculous subsidies, most people aren't switching over. Meanwhile, gubment is "creating" a fake new industry with lots of "jobs".

Listen, I have no problem with changing energy sources when there is a legitimate option. I just don't want government steering it. The picture painted by deducer is beautiful....it's just not real. I don't want any part of an industry that's being "created" by subsidies. Government, by nature, is inefficient. We see the waste in everything they are involved in. Why would we want them taking control of the entire energy industry?!?

 

[azdave35]

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I spent the 4th of July weekend on Nantucket Island, at this house which is off the grid- has it's own power supply and water source (the solar panels are in the right picture). I was not told by the owners that I had to conserve anything or do anything different. They even had more than one HDTV's. They furthermore didn't experience harassment from the power company, government or monopoly representatives. They've lived like this for a long time and have experienced no ill-effects.

looks to me like the fat cat is filthy rich...he doesn't need solar..he can afford to pay his power bill..lol

 

[somehiker]

looks to me like the fat cat is filthy rich...he doesn't need solar..he can afford to pay his power bill..lol

I was reading where electricity bills on Nantucket can be 3X what they are on the mainland.
Two chimneys on the one roof, including one that is typical wood stove stack.....don't burn gas or oil, lets burn more trees instead !!
If it's used year round, it probably has a third chimney on the main part as well., since most of the property listings I looked at, used propane or furnace oil for heat.
The place is far from green, since virtually everything in both photos, that isn't green, involved use of products from the oil industry. Bankrupting or shutting down the oil companies just ain't gonna happen. And taking away the energy components of every barrel of oil will only drive the cost of everything else made from a barrel of oil through the roof. Guess who goes bankrupt then ? It won't be the shareholders .....$$$

Next time, I would suggest a week or two at a REAL GREEN residence.
Just to get a feel for it, you know....
There's probably still a few around.

https://truewestmagazine.com/dirty-digs/