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[azdave35]

I was reading where electricity bills on Nantucket can be 3X what they are on the mainland.
Two chimneys on the one roof, including one that is typical wood stove stack.....don't burn gas or oil, lets burn more trees instead !!
If it's used year round, it probably has a third chimney on the main part as well., since most of the property listings I looked at, used propane or furnace oil for heat.
The place is far from green, since virtually everything in both photos, that isn't green, involved use of products from the oil industry. Bankrupting or shutting down the oil companies just ain't gonna happen. And taking away the energy components of every barrel of oil will only drive the cost of everything else made from a barrel of oil through the roof. Guess who goes bankrupt then ? It won't be the shareholders .....$$$

Next time, I would suggest a week or two at a REAL GREEN residence.
Just to get a feel for it, you know....
There's probably still a few around.

https://truewestmagazine.com/dirty-digs/

".I was reading where electricity bills on Nantucket can be 3X what they are on the mainland"..lol...try living in arizona....as soon as summer hits here the power company doubles the cost of your rates....so when you are using twice as much power to run your a/c ..they hit you twice as hard on the rate...some of us around here pay 1000 a month during the summer...big shots with big houses pay even more...beside...i'm pretty sure everyone on nantucket island is at least a millionaire...

 

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[somehiker]

".I was reading where electricity bills on Nantucket can be 3X what they are on the mainland"..lol...try living in arizona....as soon as summer hits here the power company doubles the cost of your rates....so when you are using twice as much power to run your a/c ..they hit you twice as hard on the rate...some of us around here pay 1000 a month during the summer...big shots with big houses pay even more...beside...i'm pretty sure everyone on nantucket island is at least a millionaire...

Yes, I had heard that the SRP rates had gone thru the roof. But a grand a month ? That would be more than some pay for their mortgage or Medical Coverage.
Makes sense now, what I also heard said last year......that some Apache Junction locals were buying second homes up north to spend the summers at .
Reverse Snowbirds I guess.

 

[azdave35]

Yes, I had heard that the SRP rates had gone thru the roof. But a grand a month ? That would be more than some pay for their mortgage or Medical Coverage.
Makes sense now, what I also heard said last year......that some Apache Junction locals were buying second homes up north to spend the summers at .
Reverse Snowbirds I guess.

yep...as soon as it hits 100 degrees around here srp gets greedy and doubles our rates...its not right but it is correct..the other power company around here (aps) has been sued multiple times for cutting people's power off during the summer because they couldn't afford to pay the bill and people died in their homes from the heat...they finally passed a law so aps cant cut off your power during the summer....i dont think it applies to srp though

 

[gollum]

yep...as soon as it hits 100 degrees around here srp gets greedy and doubles our rates...its not right but it is correct..the other power company around here (aps) has been sued multiple times for cutting people's power off during the summer because they couldn't afford to pay the bill and people died in their homes from the heat...they finally passed a law so aps cant cut off your power during the summer....i dont think it applies to srp though

Y'all seriously need to look into getting a swamp cooler. I don't think I have used AC but a few times since I moved here. Only time swamp coolers don't work efficiently is in very high humidity. MOST of the year, the air is very dry in Az.

I had a lady run out of her yard and scream at me in Sedona that "I'm not gonna f**king pay no f**king $1000 f**king electric bill!!" When I looked into her yard, I see a massive (5000plus square feet) house, and five AC Compressors just on the front of the home. I recommended a combination of swamp coolers and Solar, but, what do you expect? LOL

Mike

 

[azdave35]

Y'all seriously need to look into getting a swamp cooler. I don't think I have used AC but a few times since I moved here. Only time swamp coolers don't work efficiently is in very high humidity. MOST of the year, the air is very dry in Az.

I had a lady run out of her yard and scream at me in Sedona that "I'm not gonna f**king pay no f**king $1000 f**king electric bill!!" When I looked into her yard, I see a massive (5000plus square feet) house, and five AC Compressors just on the front of the home. I recommended a combination of swamp coolers and Solar, but, what do you expect? LOL

Mike

mike...i had a swamp cooler for years when i was younger...they work great up until about now..lol..as soon as the monsoon season hits they are useless...another bad thing about swampers....they rust all your goodies

 

[somehiker]

Might be worth looking into natural gas or propane powered AC.

https://www.deseretnews.com/article...ONER-POWERED-BY-GAS-MAY-BE-A-MONEY-SAVER.html

 

[gollum]

mike...i had a swamp cooler for years when i was younger...they work great up until about now..lol..as soon as the monsoon season hits they are useless...another bad thing about swampers....they rust all your goodies

Yeah, like I said, use Swampers for 9-10 months (forgot to subtract the 2 cold weeks Phoenix gets a year ), then AC for the couple of high humidity months. Save you a fortune. In Phoenix Area most of the year is dry and varying degrees of H3LL! LOL I'll never forget last year. It was 116°. It rained buckets for two hours and never got below 100°. It was so hot and 100% humidity, it felt like being waterboarded with hot water. I didn't go for any hikes that day! LOL

The best thing for me with swampers is that my sinuses don't dry out and make me have massive nose bleeds every day, like when I first moved to dry a$$ed 6000ft altitude Central AZ Air!

Mike

 

[deducer]

how much did he have to spend to get set up?..looks like he ain't broke...lol

Don't know, but here's a cheaper option:

 

[deducer]

That can’t be the whole solar array for the household, they must be getting power from somewhere else, that array is too small to do much more than charge batteries as an emergency back up.

And you know this, how?

It isn't small by any means. It's about 20' x 20'.

 

[deducer]

The good news (for him) is that YOU and I paid for him "to be green". Between incentives, rebates, and tax breaks, his cost was likely reduced anywhere from 30 to 50%. That's what makes it "affordable". Even with the ridiculous subsidies, most people aren't switching over. Meanwhile, gubment is "creating" a fake new industry with lots of "jobs".

Listen, I have no problem with changing energy sources when there is a legitimate option. I just don't want government steering it. The picture painted by deducer is beautiful....it's just not real. I don't want any part of an industry that's being "created" by subsidies. Government, by nature, is inefficient. We see the waste in everything they are involved in. Why would we want them taking control of the entire energy industry?!?

The governmental subsidies for the fossil fuel industry is in excess of $20 billion.

Subsidies for the renewable energy section is of course, nowhere near that amount.

The American taxpayer is paying far more to prop up the gas and oil industry, and by chance, here are the CEO salaries that you, the taxpayer, are contributing to:

1. Charif Souki
Cheniere Energy Inc.
US$141,949,280 Income
US$800,000 base salary converted to $1 effective December 15, 2014

2. Tom Ward
Sandridge Energy Inc.
US$71,119,765 Income
US$974,539 Salary

3. Anthony G. Petrello
Nabors Industries Ltd.
US$68,246,187 Income
US$1,700,000 Salary

4. Richard Kinder
Kinder Morgan
US$60.9 million Income
Estimated dividend earnings: US$380 million

5. Clarence P. Cazalot, Jr.
Marathon Oil
US$43.7 million Income

6. Rex W. Tillerson
Exxon Mobil Corp.
US$28,138,329 Income
US$2,717,000 Salary

7. J.S. Watson
Chevron Corp.
US$24,017,303 Income
US$1,770,833 Salary

8. Paal Kibsgaard
Schlumberger Ltd.
US$22,837,540 Income
US$1,700,000 Salary

9. Robert D. Lawler
Chesapeake Energy Corp.
US$22,423,268 Income
US$4,423,331 Salary & Bonus

10. David Lesar
Halliburton
US$20,710,018 Income
US$13,553,008 Salary & Bonus

I think we all know where the real fat cats are, and they ain't on Nantucket.

 

[sdcfia]

Yeah, like I said, use Swampers for 9-10 months (forgot to subtract the 2 cold weeks Phoenix gets a year ), then AC for the couple of high humidity months. Save you a fortune. In Phoenix Area most of the year is dry and varying degrees of H3LL! LOL I'll never forget last year. It was 116°. It rained buckets for two hours and never got below 100°. It was so hot and 100% humidity, it felt like being waterboarded with hot water. I didn't go for any hikes that day! LOL

The best thing for me with swampers is that my sinuses don't dry out and make me have massive nose bleeds every day, like when I first moved to dry a$$ed 6000ft altitude Central AZ Air!

Mike

Try spending a summer day at the Morton Salt evaporation ponds on the west side of Phoenix. We had a job there several years ago - 110º, 95% humidity, stinging itchy salt air. Nice.

We installed a mini-split in our house a couple years ago and are putting another one in our casita later this month. Heats in cold weather, cools in hot weather, ultra quiet. Runs on 240V and has been a shockingly efficient user of electricity. Our electric costs are cheap to begin with in NM to boot. They're now using these systems for new home construction, replacing the traditional and inefficient ducted forced air systems. Couldn't be more pleased.

https://www.fujitsu-general.com/us/residential/index.html

 

[sdcfia]

It's always about the money. America's CEO's make a bundle and people squawk that it's unfair to the average schmo who works for them. Redistribute all the money, say the socialists. Dollar envy. They don't seem to squawk at the salaries of these kind of guys or the sweet deals - tax-funded stadiums, TV packages, ticket prices, et al, all eventually paid for by the same schmo's on the street. Let's face it, life isn't fair - or is it?

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[Mad Machinist]

Don't know, but here's a cheaper option:

Before you all do this, you may want to check your homeowner' insurance policy. Many insurance companies will drop you if you do a self install that is not approved by a licensed inspector. I had my little brother sign off on mine. Advantages of having a sparky in the family. Lol.

 

[Mad Machinist]

And you know this, how?

It isn't small by any means. It's about 20' x 20'.

24 60 cell panels. Assuming they are the 300 watt variety it adds up to 7.2Kw. Possible but not likely in that climate. Two HUGE problems there. Home heating and hot water. Those are your two biggest draws on an electrical system. If that system was twice that size for that area, I could believe it was off grid.

 

[sdcfia]

Before you all do this, you may want to check your homeowner' insurance policy. Many insurance companies will drop you if you do a self install that is not approved by a licensed inspector. I had my little brother sign off on mine. Advantages of having a sparky in the family. Lol.

It's the same story on all sorts of home/automotive systems. You may not risk trouble with insurance providers, but your product warranties are likely to be voided by a non-certified installation.

 

[Al D]

And you know this, how?

It isn't small by any means. It's about 20' x 20'.

400 square feet of solar panel is small.
How is it that you do not know this?
So many books have been written on solar energy, but the math is simple and straight forward,
read one.

 

[Mad Machinist]

400 square feet of solar panel is small.
How is it that you do not know this?
So many books have been written on solar energy, but the math is simple and straight forward,
read one.

Yea 400 square feet is small, especially for Massachusetts. Hell, if I brought all mine online I would have a little over 2100 square feet and I live in Arizona.

I bought a 30 kw array of 120 250 way solar panels at a government auction years ago for pennies on the dollar. I only need 7.5 kw to power my hunting camp at a little over 2000 square feet.

But I also have damn near a megawatt of battery storage in reconditioned forklift batteries too. Got those at auction too dirt cheap.

Of course all my appliances there ar 12 volt and the refridgerator is a solar model along with the freezers in the basement. Yes my hunting camp in Arizona has a basement.

So if deducer would really like to argue the in and outs of solar power with me, I'm good to go.

 

[Al D]

Yea 400 square feet is small, especially for Massachusetts. Hell, if I brought all mine online I would have a little over 2100 square feet and I live in Arizona.

I bought a 30 kw array of 120 250 way solar panels at a government auction years ago for pennies on the dollar. I only need 7.5 kw to power my hunting camp at a little over 2000 square feet.

But I also have damn near a megawatt of battery storage in reconditioned forklift batteries too. Got those at auction too dirt cheap.

Of course all my appliances there ar 12 volt and the refridgerator is a solar model along with the freezers in the basement. Yes my hunting camp in Arizona has a basement.

So if deducer would really like to argue the in and outs of solar power with me, I'm good to go.

He probably would rather argue with me, since he obviously thinks that I don’t know anything about solar power.

 

[deducer]

24 60 cell panels. Assuming they are the 300 watt variety it adds up to 7.2Kw. Possible but not likely in that climate. Two HUGE problems there. Home heating and hot water. Those are your two biggest draws on an electrical system. If that system was twice that size for that area, I could believe it was off grid.

Heating and cooling consumes almost half the electricity used by a household, in a year.

By my understanding the average household consumes around 10k kwh a year. A 7.2kw system in the northeast of the US, produces about a 9.2 according to a solar calculator I found online.

If you found creative ways to handle heating/cooling rather than using conventional methods, you could make things work, I would think.

I did not ask too many questions as I did not spend too much time at the house, but I did notice plenty of skylights, and in my room a ceiling fan, for cooling instead of AC.

 

[deducer]

400 square feet of solar panel is small.
How is it that you do not know this?
So many books have been written on solar energy, but the math is simple and straight forward,
read one.

You made the claim that what you saw was "too small to do anythng else than charge batteries as an emergency back up" without even knowing the size and type of panels that you saw in the picture. I am curious as to how you came to that conclusion.