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[copperpot]

i'd rather you got off the couch and found out for yourself..the info is out there if you look

Sounds like a secret then if you don't say it.

 

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[gollum]

being as how you are law enforcement..i dont think anyone is going to tell you if they did find something...but the person that did find the mine is pretty well known around here..and like i said if you were in the loop you'd know who he is...locals around here are split on if he really did find the mine....as for me i would say he did..i've seen enough proof to convince me...i'm not sure but i'm guessing he is a member of this forum...he can sound off if he wants to

Dave,

If you are being facetious, I know who you are talking about.

Mike

 

[dog the treasure hunter]

I'm attempting to accommodate your request. I have 74 minutes of upload going on U Tube. It's not a professional video and It's kind of long probably boring and doesn't show much. But it's what you wanted. This way to the treasure spend wisely. It probably won't be that great I never sent it in anywhere I was going to start a Treasure Show like Survivor Man sort of a short series that gives some insight into shadow and sun signs free for all to watch. 61 minutes remaining on the upload I'll need to continue this tomorrow.

I have a series of videos very crude and very rough not very exciting.

You'll probably laugh your ass off.

.

Bill

I just saw this today Bill Riley, excellent, I loved it. Thanks for posting it, looking forward to seeing and hearing more.
,

 

[Old]

Cat, its not hard to find the story. Google search pit mine, Heat dig, Treasure Trove site and bull dog mine. Most likely LDM is the pit mine, has many of the right elements. HEAT dig/Treasure Trove is most likely a rogue, maybe for bait and switch purposes. Although; it fits very nicely into the Peralta horse map and has the right elevation. Bull dog, much less likely. Are any of these the LDM?
Heck if I know.

 

[Cubfan64]

Mike you said...

a couple of those involved said in private they think the Pit Mine was the LDM

I know at least one person said so publicly at one of the Rendezvous a few years ago.

Is the Pit Mine the LDM? Honestly, I can convince myself one day that it is and the next that it's not. There's only one way I can think of that would come the closest to being 100% convincing and that would be to analytically compare what came out of the pit mine with the matchbox sample. There's only a few people who have a shot in heck of doing that and some of the folks who cleaned out the pit mine probably are among those who could do so.

Here's something I've often thought about... a certain person was pretty active at one point in searching for the LDM - since the whole "pit mine" thing happened, I haven't heard of that person out exploring the mountains. Maybe it's happening and I just haven't heard about it but...

What would it take a dutch hunter to stop searching for the LDM?

 

[Azquester]

Dog,

Thanks I appreciate the compliment!

I didn't think anyone paid attention to it but when I looked on you tube it's well over a hundred views and counting.

I had a whole series of 12 Video's made that explains it all but they were on a memory stick that was lost after I loaned the stick out. I only have one other and I just posted it to you tube. I don't want to get into trouble for posting it on this thread which belongs to the show. I know Ryan had some issues although he was doing a fact checker posting Video's on someone else's thread, well, lets just say I'm not here to rain on the Legend Show so I'll move it.

I'll post this one and the other finished one I have left on the Stone Maps Solar Lunar thread. I'm upset most of them are missing but I'm going to the site tomorrow as I discovered while searching through old photographs I missed a huge section of the Map system.

I may just film it.

I never knew I was at the wrong viewing station for reading the map and only gleamed a single large symbol when there's more from a further distance. People think reading a map is as simple as walking up to a rock and looking. With this system you see one symbol up close you back away and look for the view station to see more. The view station is marked with Free Mason symbols that tell you your there.

This place is just as bad as the Supers, is full of snakes and is all bed rock that gives off heat.

The Janus stones at these sites are real light machines. I've witnessed these give out absolute pure white hearts and pointers with numeric distance's.

First, you have to know how to get to a final site which I'm starting to get it down pretty well after all these years spent in old Gold Mine sites. All Spanish or Mason sites have the same markers and symbols. Just different artists that made them but never the less all the same.


Bill

 

[Azquester]

Mike you said...



I know at least one person said so publicly at one of the Rendezvous a few years ago.

Is the Pit Mine the LDM? Honestly, I can convince myself one day that it is and the next that it's not. There's only one way I can think of that would come the closest to being 100% convincing and that would be to analytically compare what came out of the pit mine with the matchbox sample. There's only a few people who have a shot in heck of doing that and some of the folks who cleaned out the pit mine probably are among those who could do so.

Here's something I've often thought about... a certain person was pretty active at one point in searching for the LDM - since the whole "pit mine" thing happened, I haven't heard of that person out exploring the mountains. Maybe it's happening and I just haven't heard about it but...

What would it take a dutch hunter to stop searching for the LDM?

Jesuit Pit Mine


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Cuban, This is how they did it you just need to know where they did it.

 

[coazon de oro]

Come on Paul, you don't need an analytical comparison to distinguish silver from gold.

Homar

 

[copperpot]

Cat, its not hard to find the story. Google search pit mine, Heat dig, Treasure Trove site and bull dog mine. Most likely LDM is the pit mine, has many of the right elements. HEAT dig/Treasure Trove is most likely a rogue, maybe for bait and switch purposes. Although; it fits very nicely into the Peralta horse map and has the right elevation. Bull dog, much less likely. Are any of these the LDM?
Heck if I know.

Ok. Thanks for saying, and the key words to use and start with at least.

 

[Cubfan64]

Come on Paul, you don't need an analytical comparison to distinguish silver from gold.

Homar

Homar, with all due respect unless you were there and saw what was taken out you have no idea what it was. I know I wasn't there which is why I made the statement I did.

 

[RW]

Jesuit Pit Mine


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Cuban, This is how they did it you just need to know where they did it.

The Pit mine entrance with the ladder going down sure does look similar to the LUE map reflected at the correct angle (near the center).

 

[djui5]

Jesuit Pit Mine


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Cuban, This is how they did it you just need to know where they did it.

Thats an awesome document

 

[gollum]

Its awesome I agree, but it doesn't say anything about Jesuit anywhere on the document (unless I missed it somewhere). Its also dated long after all the Jesuits were gone from Nueva Vizcaya. Also, it has the Spanish Royal Coat of Arms instead of something Church Related.

Mike

 

[Trooper733]

Thanks Gollum and Old for the info tying the pit mine to the LDM and why it is believed it may be the LDM etc.

AZDave35, as I said, no disrespect to you at all , but that was an easy and satisfactory answer from these two and a place to start to look up the info ourselves, I would in no way ask for names and didn't care nor want you outing people by name and betraying any of your friends, etc..... just asked for info to back up that statement you posted, without putting it out there like there is some big "inside loop" that you have to be accepted into this inside group before you can find things out. You put the statement out there, and I and cat in the hat just asked how it was known. You incited a response by people interested in the LDM by the statement you made. That's all. Have a good day my friend.

 

[coazon de oro]

Homar, with all due respect unless you were there and saw what was taken out you have no idea what it was. I know I wasn't there which is why I made the statement I did.

Howdy Paul,

With the same due respect that you are so worthy of, you will never solve anything by sitting on a fence. I know that you are afraid to jump to one side, and fall on the toes of one of the many friends you have made in the Dutch Hunters Rendezvous.

Many of these old time Dutch hunters just want to be recognized for their search, and just want you to believe they found something. Taking the word of these old "experts" is one of the reasons many are doomed to fail in their own search. You know the "Pit Mine" story well enough to know that what has been taken out of there was silver ore, and know that the area is surrounded by old silver mines.

You are also aware that the LDM clues do not fit that mine. Does it lie even five miles from Weavers Needle? No. Is Weavers Needle south from there? No. Even the so called gun sight clue, which is not a clue at all, does not fit, it is backwards. How do you jump from say from second water all the way to that pit mine? How can you dismiss so much of the known clues, and remain on the fence?

Homar

 

[gollum]

Mike you said...



I know at least one person said so publicly at one of the Rendezvous a few years ago.

Is the Pit Mine the LDM? Honestly, I can convince myself one day that it is and the next that it's not. There's only one way I can think of that would come the closest to being 100% convincing and that would be to analytically compare what came out of the pit mine with the matchbox sample. There's only a few people who have a shot in heck of doing that and some of the folks who cleaned out the pit mine probably are among those who could do so.

Here's something I've often thought about... a certain person was pretty active at one point in searching for the LDM - since the whole "pit mine" thing happened, I haven't heard of that person out exploring the mountains. Maybe it's happening and I just haven't heard about it but...

What would it take a dutch hunter to stop searching for the LDM?

I am pretty certain if any testing needed to be done, that they did it in private or just have a chunk to a neutral 3rd party to have tested.

I know Jack San Felice thinks it was the LDM, and so does Frank Augustine. I just don't agree.

Mike

 

[copperpot]

I am pretty certain if any testing needed to be done, that they did it in private or just have a chunk to a neutral 3rd party to have tested.

I know Jack San Felice thinks it was the LDM, and so does Frank Augustine. I just don't agree.

Mike

I thought Frank was still searching for it on the "show"?

 

[gollum]

I thought Frank was still searching for it on the "show"?

See Cat,

The problem is that the moment they say they found the LDM, that's the end of the show. HAHAHA Sort of like how big pharmaceutical companies don't want to cure cancer. They want to find the right combination of drugs that will let you live with it. That way they keep selling you drugs. As soon as there is a cure for cancer, Big Pharma loses a crap-ton of money.

Also, publicly saying that The Pit Mine is the LDM would mean a couple of BIG things:

1. It was in the SWA (Superstition Wilderness Area), where it is highly illegal to mine. If that was publicly stated, then the Feds would have to get involved in finding out who had anything to do with it.

2. People would want proof. Since 1891 (when Waltz died), the LDM has been "found" a few hundred times by a bunch of different people. If anybody had any of the actual proof....... see #1.

Mike

 

[copperpot]

See Cat,

The problem is that the moment they say they found the LDM, that's the end of the show. HAHAHA Sort of like how big pharmaceutical companies don't want to cure cancer. They want to find the right combination of drugs that will let you live with it. That way they keep selling you drugs. As soon as there is a cure for cancer, Big Pharma loses a crap-ton of money.

Also, publicly saying that The Pit Mine is the LDM would mean a couple of BIG things:

1. It was in the SWA (Superstition Wilderness Area), where it is highly illegal to mine. If that was publicly stated, then the Feds would have to get involved in finding out who had anything to do with it.

2. People would want proof. Since 1891 (when Waltz died), the LDM has been "found" a few hundred times by a bunch of different people. If anybody had any of the actual proof....... see #1.

Mike

Ok. To clarify, you do not feel that the "Pit Mine" is LDM? Or what mine do you think the LDM is? thanks.

 

[gollum]

Ok. To clarify, you do not feel that the "Pit Mine" is LDM? Or what mine do you think the LDM is? thanks.

I do NOT believe the Pit Mine is the LDM. The Peralta/Gonzalez Families supposedly (I believe it but had to add a disclaimer) had about eight mines in the Superstition Area. I think the Pit Mine and the Mormon Stope (of the Mammoth Mine) were two of the Peralta/Gonzalez Mines.

Mike