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JackH said:
$200 Million, how did we arrive at that figure ?

In the past I have posted, 100 animals in a pack train have been observed back in their day.
Each animal was expected to carry as much as 200 lbs. But lets safely reduce that burden so
the animal might make the trip, 150 lbs ?

Last I looked $1200 ounce, you should exceed that. Peralta delivered that on a schedule lets
say 75 animals, but exceeding today's values of $200M.

(Troy ounce ? lets not go there since we are approximating.) OK, less than 1 1/2 oz diff.
between the two at a normal Avoirdupois pound.

Who says that's all that's left ? If I remember correctly, that Mine is MILES LONG based on
the reported assay estimated back in the day. But what the hell do I know.

Next !
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Waltz said there,s enough gold in site to make twenty men millionaire,s at twenty dollars a oz. X that by today's price.

Wrmickel1
 

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wrmickel1 said:
Alright, I see where on the same page on that, but I believe you can rule out a stream bed since Waltz said he would take his donkey down to a watering whole and not let him drink from a stream.

I mean if the clue is real.

Wrmickel1
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It was not a stream it was a pool of yellowish water. This info was from Waltzs great grandson. The pool of water is actually an entrance.
 

wrmickel1 said:
And who is this grandson, is he on T-net

Wrmickel1
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Great grandson.

I dont think he is on tnet. Last I found was that he is a teacher. He is a hopi indian. A decendant from waltzs hopi bride.
 

There is a e book on google about joe waltzs. The great grandson of jacob waltzs. I read a sample of it today. The book is labeled as fiction.
Accoring to the book the indians went to the huge mine. Took out a share and cached it for their family.
Is this the great grandson you refer too.
 

johnmark29020 said:
In one version of the ldm. Waltzs said the mexicans dug two mines, and he dug a third. That could refer to shallow diggins.
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You'd be surprised at how much tailings even a 10x10x10 hole makes. Enough where you can see them from Google Earth. In the area I'm currently prospecting, before I even put my "boots on the ground" I like to mark and map out how I'm going to get to my prospects. Between GE, my geology maps, and the topos, I can usually piece a trail or a route together that will get me to where I need to be, all the while trying to keep my elevation changes somewhat subdued so I'm not crawling up and down the sides of 500 ft. vertical mountain tops.

While doing my research for my current area, I kept seeing all these piles of dirt/tailings and dozer pushes spread out here and there over the section I'm prospecting. I get out there last weekend and all the piles of dirt I saw in GE were only from holes about 5 ft. deep and maybe 10x10 long and wide. I did come up on one that was at least 25 ft. deep and that one was the easiest to spot from GE as it had the most tailings. The dozer pushes were about 2 ft. deep and about 10ft. wide by about 50 ft. long. The berms from the pushes were easily spotted in GE. No luck detecting any gold in the tailings or the dozer pushes. Just junk. I wasn't interested in them anyways, as I will be hitting and sampling all the narrow washes in the area where most (modern day) prospectors can't get to unless they really enjoy hiking.
 

johnmark29020 said:
There is a e book on google about joe waltzs. The great grandson of jacob waltzs. I read a sample of it today. The book is labeled as fiction.
Accoring to the book the indians went to the huge mine. Took out a share and cached it for their family.
Is this the great grandson you refer too.
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No. His name is not joe.
 

I don't really believe in the Waltz fathered a child with a Indian women theory, Not to mention it on his death bed don't seem likely just to forget about his own flesh and blood.

Wrmickel1
 

AZBLACKBIRD,

I doubt it. The Peraltas did all the heavy mining, and like most Spanish/Mexican Miners, the carried off or hid their tailings so nobody could find their mine while they were home in Mexico. Waltz got it after that and worked it little by little over about 15-20 years. From everything I have read, the mine is an upside down funnel. Six feet down is a ledge, which means he piled six feet of logs, branches, dirt, and rocks on it. My guess is that its about twenty feet deep. Some people have said 75 feet, but there would have to have been a whole bunch of ledges and chicken ladders. My guess is one (maybe two ladders in the mine).

Mike
 

wrmickel1 said:
I don't really believe in the Waltz fathered a child with a Indian women theory, Not to mention it on his death bed don't seem likely just to forget about his own flesh and blood.

Wrmickel1
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The so called ldm, so called peralta stones are based on I believe, I think, I assume, ect. Everything except facts.

Waltz fathered a child in 1876. Thats a fact! Its not something that I think or believe! I have found a few phone numbers. One of them could belong to his great grandson. I'll certainly call and find out.
 

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CHLSBRNS,

The only person I know of that was supposed to be related to Waltz was named Hanz Ballweiser. He was found not long after WWII in Germany by a man named Dave Sutton (Dutch Hunter).

Mike
 

gollum said:
AZBLACKBIRD,

I doubt it. The Peraltas did all the heavy mining, and like most Spanish/Mexican Miners, the carried off or hid their tailings so nobody could find their mine while they were home in Mexico. Waltz got it after that and worked it little by little over about 15-20 years. From everything I have read, the mine is an upside down funnel. Six feet down is a ledge, which means he piled six feet of logs, branches, dirt, and rocks on it. My guess is that its about twenty feet deep. Some people have said 75 feet, but there would have to have been a whole bunch of ledges and chicken ladders. My guess is one (maybe two ladders in the mine).

Mike
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Had you read the pdf that I posted, the book on Arizona history, you would know that what you just posted about peralta is not correct. The stuff about waltz is nothing more than a fairy tale.
 

chlsbrns said:
Had you read the pdf that I posted, the book on Arizona history, you would know that what you just posted about peralta is not correct. The stuff about waltz is nothing more than a fairy tale.
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I DID read it. In the entire book, there are a total of four pages mentioning PERALTA. Two pages (398-399) are about James Reavis, one page (698) is about the town called Peralta in NM, and one page (158) about Governor Peralta (1608) of New Mexico, ooooorrrrrrrrr maybe I missed something?

Other than verbal family history, there is not one document that puts the Peralta/Gonzalez Families in the Superstition Mountains.

I am also in complete agreement with Wrmickel1. If Waltz had a Hopi wife and a son, then why didn't he, IN THE ENTIRE EIGHT MONTHS he was bedridden in Julia Thomas' Place, EVER MENTION TO ANYONE that he had a son or a wife? Why didn't he make sure that the candlebox ore went to his family? Sorry, I don't buy it for a second. Not one credible witness has ever stated anything about a Hopi wife and son.

Mike
 

gollum said:
The Peraltas did all the heavy mining, and like most Spanish/Mexican Miners, the carried off or hid their tailings so nobody could find their mine while they were home in Mexico.
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So how did they hide their trails from carrying off all their tailings? Me thinks some of you guys really need to take a visit to the Supers (or other equally rough country) and see for yourselves just how easy it is to get around whether your on horseback, mule, or foot. Me thinks you'll find that it's not as easy as all the myths and legends would have you believe. I guarantee you, when you're deep in the hills, it's slow going. I don't care how sure footed you or your horse/mule may be. What may take you a couple hours to cover on level ground can take all day in the hills. So pardon me if I find some of these stories hard to believe. Of course it's all Western Folklore, so naturally everything is going to get blown way out of proportion. The tenderfoots back east had to have something to read and fantasize about.
 

chlsbrns said:
Waltz fathered a child in 1876. Thats a fact! Its not something that I think or believe! I have found a few phone numbers. One of them could belong to his great grandson. I'll certainly call and fimd out.
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Hello "Cls"
Looking forward to you posting the results of this research. Would you mind passing along the source of this fact?

Anyway, always good to see you posting. Sure to stir up some "stuff". 8-)

Hope all is well. And that you settled in a warmer climate.
V

gollum said:
The Peraltas did all the heavy mining, and like most Spanish/Mexican Miners, the carried off or hid their tailings so nobody could find their mine while they were home in Mexico. Waltz got it after that and worked it little by little over about 15-20 years.
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Can you cite the source of these statements? Or are they just "common knowledge"?
 

Search this link for peralta (26 hits) and read before and after each hit.

https://archive.org/stream/historyarizonaa00oakgoog/historyarizonaa00oakgoog_djvu.txt

There is more. Searching for peralta will not show misspellings. The text file was made from text recognition software.

Search for gold, 197 hits! Search for mine and other terms such as placer. Read before and after each hit. Lots of info any gold hunter would want!
 

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gollum said:
AZBLACKBIRD,

I doubt it. The Peraltas did all the heavy mining, and like most Spanish/Mexican Miners, the carried off or hid their tailings so nobody could find their mine while they were home in Mexico.
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Waltz got it after that and worked it little by little over about 15-20 years. From everything I have read, the mine is an upside down funnel. Six feet down is a ledge, which means he piled six feet of logs, branches, dirt, and rocks on it.
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My guess is that its about twenty feet deep. Some people have said 75 feet,
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who and how would they know?
but there would have to have been a whole bunch of ledges and chicken ladders. My guess is one (maybe two ladders in the mine).

Mike
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* Is there actual evidence of this? if so ...
 

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