sgtfda
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Well at least we have each other. Thanks
new show on the dutchman
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coazon de oro
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Howdy Marius,
Knowing Spanish, you referred to it a little better than the "Gringo" who made it. He wrote Tesora Mappa, not Tesoro Mapa, or better yet Mapa del Tesoro.
He did this, thinking that the PSM's lead to a treasure, but there is more evidence that they lead to a mine.
Sorry Sarge, but that map was not used to make the PSM's, nor is it a missing Peralta map.
Homar
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And if he's smart enough, he'll wait for a few more idiots to come along and then file a class action lawsuit against a certain entertainment company
Well, hopefully nothing like that will come about. No idiot copycats, nor death of same and no ambulance chasers either.
Just pure entertainment and plenty of spiritual oro for all the Caballeros De Santa Fe watching the series.
On with the show.....
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Yeah, time for me end rant and move on. Well perhaps one more.
It's just that a lot of people, including Tom K., as well as a few posters on here, have been to the bat cave over the years so it's not like it's some big secret.
So for the show creators to pass it off as containing some secret or something special is insulting the intelligence of a lot of people- why couldn't they have used a very small obscure cave somewhere in the mountains that could easily pass for something nobody ever found before?
As it is, the trek to the bat cave is already dangerous never mind an attempt to climb a 80 year old wooden ladder that leads to a crevice that contains a sensitive bat population that's already been greatly reduced by white nose syndrome (WNS). Now that the show's aired, there are going to be several fools planning to get up there, that are going to get hurt one way or another. If the bat population hasn't been wiped out yet, it will be soon.
Apologies to Frank and to everyone else; don't mean to disrupt this thread.
It's just that a lot of people, including Tom K., as well as a few posters on here, have been to the bat cave over the years so it's not like it's some big secret.
So for the show creators to pass it off as containing some secret or something special is insulting the intelligence of a lot of people- why couldn't they have used a very small obscure cave somewhere in the mountains that could easily pass for something nobody ever found before?
As it is, the trek to the bat cave is already dangerous never mind an attempt to climb a 80 year old wooden ladder that leads to a crevice that contains a sensitive bat population that's already been greatly reduced by white nose syndrome (WNS). Now that the show's aired, there are going to be several fools planning to get up there, that are going to get hurt one way or another. If the bat population hasn't been wiped out yet, it will be soon.
Apologies to Frank and to everyone else; don't mean to disrupt this thread.
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StreamlineGold
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It's all just speculation until we see what they actually do with it....
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Speaking of legal terms
to go onto these Forrest lands with the intent of this prospecting and treasure hunting is illegal.
to say their intent was to do anything other than drum up attention to make their mining claims.
the problem with their business was that they had created numerous fronts for their program, acting like they were hiking, when they were mining the Apache Gold.
(Thunder and Lightning heard)
to go onto these Forrest lands with the intent of this prospecting and treasure hunting is illegal.
to say their intent was to do anything other than drum up attention to make their mining claims.
the problem with their business was that they had created numerous fronts for their program, acting like they were hiking, when they were mining the Apache Gold.
(Thunder and Lightning heard)
Curious_George
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Just saw the 1st episode, and really enjoyed it. As a former Grand Canyon hiker who (due to Parkinson's) now needs a stair lift to get upstairs to my computer, I especially liked actually seeing the roughness of the terrain. (I've sure stared at it enough in Google earth)
Three ?'s:
1 exploring the "SE corner of the Supes" was mentioned.. was 1st episode filming in the Whitlow Canyon/ Iron Mountain area?
2 Have always (as others have) been intrigued by the Pistol Canyon/ Peter's Canyon & Mesa match with clues (N trending canyon, stone house, taninjas, waterfall, etc) AND the fact that the "cowboy's cowboy-"- Whollie Bacon says he was told by 2 of his Apache ranch hands that the gold was dumped on the East side of Tortilla Mountain when the Peraltas were on the run.
I've been over the maps, and am sure someone has checked these areas already, but sure wish the show would give **some indication** for this map lover to figure out where the filming is being done.
Oh well, guess that's part of keeping things secret.
3 What is the background on the map Frank is using? What evidence convinced him it is for real, BEFORE experiencing the apparent lining up of it with the terrain physically?
George
Three ?'s:
1 exploring the "SE corner of the Supes" was mentioned.. was 1st episode filming in the Whitlow Canyon/ Iron Mountain area?
2 Have always (as others have) been intrigued by the Pistol Canyon/ Peter's Canyon & Mesa match with clues (N trending canyon, stone house, taninjas, waterfall, etc) AND the fact that the "cowboy's cowboy-"- Whollie Bacon says he was told by 2 of his Apache ranch hands that the gold was dumped on the East side of Tortilla Mountain when the Peraltas were on the run.
I've been over the maps, and am sure someone has checked these areas already, but sure wish the show would give **some indication** for this map lover to figure out where the filming is being done.
Oh well, guess that's part of keeping things secret.
3 What is the background on the map Frank is using? What evidence convinced him it is for real, BEFORE experiencing the apparent lining up of it with the terrain physically?
George
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Curious that map Frank has is the same map that has been posted here many times with the exception of two markings.As far as them dumping the gold on the east side of Tortilla mtn, It mat have been explored a hundred times that doesnt mean its not their.Just last month a friend and I were hiking and I crawled right past an entrance to a mine that my friend behind me found it was only large enough for a grown man to squeeze through then opened up. as far as the lining up of the map they are stretching greatly from the waterfall to the bluff and heart Ive never explored the supes but have done alot of exploring and thats stretching IMO
sgtfda
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The Tumlinsons had and used the map for their search. Garman photographed that map and later passed the photo up the chain. I was given a copy of the photo. As I said the map has a interesting history. I suspect Peg Leg Tuminson map collection as a source.
azblackbird
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Illegal huh? I suggest you educate yourself on the laws before making such
(uncalled for remark removed) remarks.
There's nothing illegal about prospecting in a wilderness area as long as you are not using motorized or mechanical means, and such activity is carried on in a manner compatible with the preservation of the wilderness environment.
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coazon de oro
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I rest my case Sarge, I first stated that it was made by someone using the PSM's as reference for the purpose of putting all the information on one paper to make it easy to use in the mountains. I later stated that person was a "Gringo", and not a Peralta.
In my opinion it was Travis's work. Not knowing what the symbols stand for, he moved some landmarks, left out a way to pinpoint the mine, and butchered the detail, and orientation. His attempt to write Spanish again solidifies the fact that he was incapable of making the PSM's as some believe. I had pointed that out with the Treasure Chest Stone.
Your suspicion of a Peg Leg Tumlinson map collection is based on someone else's assumption that Travis was given a map collection that no one has ever seen, and assuming Peg Leg knew about it, which he didn't. Both the LDM, and the PSM's have had a lot of things added to their stories based on assumptions. Many take that chaff as the gospel instead of sticking to the original stories.
Homar
sgtfda
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One little problem. A trusted source who would know told me who carved the map stones. He knew the artist. They are not as old as you think. I base my opinion on that information. That's as much as I'll say on that subject.
Just got done watching the 1st episode on Hulu. Nicely done show.....can't wait till the next one.
Good job Frank and Wayne....don't forget us little people when you move to Hollywood.
Did you guys do any panning on the way up the trail? Find anything? If you can't disclose yet, I understand.
gotta go pick popcorn outta my teeth now.....
Good job Frank and Wayne....don't forget us little people when you move to Hollywood.
Did you guys do any panning on the way up the trail? Find anything? If you can't disclose yet, I understand.
gotta go pick popcorn outta my teeth now.....
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I too watched the show and thought it was great.
Never done prospecting, but love to read about the stories and the complete mysteries that surround them.
Newer to the hobby of metal detecting I am watching the show for educational purposes of how you are putting the landmarks and clues together (whether scripted or not), reading the terrain and the lay of the land, what you look for and why.
I'm sure everyone has their opinions as to who, what, where, why and when, but the fact remains that no one has solved the mystery of the LDM among others.
Lots of armchair prospectors I'm sure, but perhaps by watching and listening with an open mind, may just enlighten some with a new piece of the puzzle that wasn't thought of before. Just my opinion....
Never done prospecting, but love to read about the stories and the complete mysteries that surround them.
Newer to the hobby of metal detecting I am watching the show for educational purposes of how you are putting the landmarks and clues together (whether scripted or not), reading the terrain and the lay of the land, what you look for and why.
I'm sure everyone has their opinions as to who, what, where, why and when, but the fact remains that no one has solved the mystery of the LDM among others.
Lots of armchair prospectors I'm sure, but perhaps by watching and listening with an open mind, may just enlighten some with a new piece of the puzzle that wasn't thought of before. Just my opinion....
sgtfda
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Near the date of discovery. Travis came up with the material and had the map stones carved. Who carved the horse stone I don't know. I suspect Travis and so does my source.
ConceptualizedNetherlandr
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Well ... in the show Frank discloses that he has a claim. They show you panning there. they go distances and directions from said claim ...and speak of directions of things. Claims are of public record. Not sure if I should link up the lat/long. Play that onto GE and the GE image with the heart map overlay from the show.
... Frank, save them all the lookup time and hand over the coordinates already
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Frank,
Thanks for you prompt reply, those stones have occupied a lot of my waking hours and while I may not agree with you this is not really the thread to open up that box of worms. It was a pretty good first episode, you take it all with a grain of salt and I look forward to the next week.
Thanks for you prompt reply, those stones have occupied a lot of my waking hours and while I may not agree with you this is not really the thread to open up that box of worms. It was a pretty good first episode, you take it all with a grain of salt and I look forward to the next week.
wrmickel1
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Bill96
Franks trusted source is still just hear say,provided by a fellow who could never figure them out.
Wrmickel1
azblackbird
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Now don't go spoiling the mystery Frank.
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