New Jersey Woman Arrested for Reciting Constitution at Tax Meeting

[Dave44]

Lets see if I can get this on here. This is a real assessment in an area I was looking at. Not long ago you could look at the history of 20 years. So in this form you cannot see the actual time that easy money made the property values hit the ceiling. But look at this! The value went down a little and then Whamo, Goobers have to find a new, improved way of scamming you, see any writing on the wall here?

By the way,, I personally know this property is in sad need of serious engineering to bring it back,, in fact, it would be better to tear it to the foundation and rebuild! It's value did not increase this year! I have heard that they are planning on an upgrade that includes new tile, but that will not keep it from caving in on itself!

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07-01-2012	$411,000	$152,100	$563,100	Reassessment
07-01-2011	$511,000	$65,200	$576,200	Reassessment
07-01-2010	$511,000	$81,700	$592,700	Reassessment
07-01-2009	$596,800	$95,200	$692,000	Reassessment

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[ivan salis]

if the houses value drops --then they say the "land" is worth more --if both drop then they just raise the "millage /tax rate % paid --so that in the end your going to pay as much if not more than before --since they long ago planned their "budget" on the then current tax values of the home / land at the time -- so one way or another no matter what , your going to wind up paying that amount of cash in taxes , so they stay "on budget" --no matter how they got to "cook the books" to make it work out.

 

[Bum Luck]

This is pure Crapola in itself bummer. You can spend 60k on improvements and not see dimes worth of extra cash in sales if the comps in the area do not do the same. You will be strangled by the amount the houses in the area have sold for previously. Have you never sold a house in your life? I cannot even believe you think this way?

If the Goobers are coming in your house to assess you they are checking to see if you have more money to spend than your neighbor! ( the house may be worth more? COUGH LOLOLLOLOL !!! Check with a realtor!)

Let me understand you, everyone is the same and all laws fit equally, until payment time. Then some are more entitled to a hosing than others, right?

You either choose to understand or you don't.

It's evident that you choose not to.

 

[Dave44]

Gotcha Bummer! I don't understand, you do. All is right with the world now, you can sit up there in the birthplace of the progressive movement of the U.S. safe in the knowledge that You hold all of the Knowledge.

 

[Bum Luck]

countys tend to figger their amount of spending based upon the current market conditions and value of the homes they can "access"

Sorry, Ivan. It doesn't happen like that. They fix a budget and THEN figure out what your share is. Ask around - in your neck of the country, surely there's someone you can ask that you trust.

when the market value of your home and land declines the county will not not ease your tax "burden" --since they have already calulated how much they need to tax you (the millage tax rate ) based upon your homes "past' higher value , to get the same amount of money in taxes that they need to operate on to keep from cutting govt services and jobs --they actually need to raise the millage tax rates to generate the same amount of funding as they would have gotten before the homes value declined --thus when the "houses' value went down , they raised the value of the land it was upon to comp the differance tax wize. --bottom line --they need so much money to keep the govt functioning and to pay their salarys and their going to get it from local home owners one way or another.

That part is mostly correct. The incorrect part is that they are able to raise the land prices when the homes drop. They can't legally do that, and since they can raise the mill rate, don't need to.

Bottom line is correct. If you don't like that, go to the county, city, or township meeting and tell them.

 

[Bum Luck]

Gotcha Bummer! I don't understand, you do. All is right with the world now, you can sit up there in the birthplace of the progressive movement of the U.S. safe in the knowledge that You hold all of the Knowledge.

I take exception to that.

I've tried to explain this well, and you keep shunting the argument into undocumented specifics.

You forgot to add the year's taxes to your data above, by the way.

 

[Dave44]

This years taxes, by the way, were not displayed on the page of the county website I let you see. It appears that it is important to your propaganda so how should I show it to you after trying to make the webpage and physical address anonymous? Would you believe it if I did?

Tell you what, it is obvious you have internet,,, I would even say you seem intelligent. You look up a generic property in an upscale place in Virginia( not the DC area which has A LOT of new employees) and tell us all what you find,, Ok?

That way we know that I am not lying to YOU.

 

[Dave44]

Here is how they are assessed, I hope it is not too vague, it is all we are allowed to see.( notice the sales comparison approach?)

"How Is Property Appraised?

There are three accepted methods for valuing real estate:

The Sales Comparison Approach:
To find the value of any property, the assessor must first know the selling prices of similar properties. This method compares your property to others that have sold. When using the sales comparison approach, the assessor considers and analyzes all available market data to arrive at a fair valuation of your property. Size, quality, condition, amenities, location and time of sale are some of the important factors given consideration. The sales comparison approach generally produces the most reliable indication of the value of residential property.

The Cost Approach:
The cost approach estimates the current costs of material and labor needed to replace your home with one of similar quality and function. Depreciation is factored into the valuation of the improvements.

The cost approach is a good method for appraising special purpose and unique properties that are usually owner occupied, seldom sell for the use they were constructed for, and have a limited market base.

The Income Approach:
The income approach values the revenue producing capabilities of a property. This method reviews market data derived from commercial properties to determine income, expenses, vacancy rates and capitalization rates. A net operating income is capitalized into a value which includes the land. The income approach is widely used to assess commercial properties which generate income derived from tenant leases.

"

 

[dieselram94]

You can try diversions all you want, but my example is correct.

An assessor can't value property just "because of some social justice/envy crap or just uninformed opinions."

How exactly is this a diversion? I did not say an assessor determines value based on social justice or envy. I said "You can make all the improvements you want and it still has a value determined by comps. Saying anything else could only be one of two things: A desire to tax someone because of some social justice/envy crap or just uninformed opinions."
I think we all can see who is trying diversions here.

By the way are you a home owner?

 

[dieselram94]

Do know about Maine, but in Florida you can request your home be reappraised for taxes based on the value falling, problem is many times they raise the mill tax so even though your home comes back valued less, taxes seem to never change, or they go up because they raised the mill tax on the property, or on schools and other services based on declining tax revenues...

In Maine you can ask to reevaluate a property and ask for an abatement, however it will not end well for the property owner. I can speak from personal experiance here.

 

[Bum Luck]

Here is how they are assessed, I hope it is not too vague, it is all we are allowed to see.( notice the sales comparison approach?)

"How Is Property Appraised?

There are three accepted methods for valuing real estate:

The Sales Comparison Approach:
To find the value of any property, the assessor must first know the selling prices of similar properties. This method compares your property to others that have sold. When using the sales comparison approach, the assessor considers and analyzes all available market data to arrive at a fair valuation of your property. Size, quality, condition, amenities, location and time of sale are some of the important factors given consideration. The sales comparison approach generally produces the most reliable indication of the value of residential property.

The Cost Approach:
The cost approach estimates the current costs of material and labor needed to replace your home with one of similar quality and function. Depreciation is factored into the valuation of the improvements.

The cost approach is a good method for appraising special purpose and unique properties that are usually owner occupied, seldom sell for the use they were constructed for, and have a limited market base.

The Income Approach:
The income approach values the revenue producing capabilities of a property. This method reviews market data derived from commercial properties to determine income, expenses, vacancy rates and capitalization rates. A net operating income is capitalized into a value which includes the land. The income approach is widely used to assess commercial properties which generate income derived from tenant leases.

"

Which method do you think your home is assessed by?

 

[Bum Luck]

In Maine you can ask to reevaluate a property and ask for an abatement, however it will not end well for the property owner. I can speak from personal experiance here.

That's anecdotal.

How can an assessor institutionalize unfairness?

 

[Bum Luck]

How exactly is this a diversion? I did not say an assessor determines value based on social justice or envy. I said "You can make all the improvements you want and it still has a value determined by comps. Saying anything else could only be one of two things: A desire to tax someone because of some social justice/envy crap or just uninformed opinions."
I think we all can see who is trying diversions here.

By the way are you a home owner?

Yeah, I'm a homeowner and property taxpayer.

I don't think that property taxes are theft; they help plow the streets, maintain roads, keep the deputies on duty, help mostly ungrateful folks get grants to upgrade their septic systems, and dozens of other programs.

If you don't like what they're used for, run for office and change it. I'm sure there's enough like-minded folks in you district that you can initiate real tax change.

Start a movement.

 

[Bum Luck]

This years taxes, by the way, were not displayed on the page of the county website I let you see. It appears that it is important to your propaganda so how should I show it to you after trying to make the webpage and physical address anonymous? Would you believe it if I did?

Tell you what, it is obvious you have internet,,, I would even say you seem intelligent. You look up a generic property in an upscale place in Virginia( not the DC area which has A LOT of new employees) and tell us all what you find,, Ok?

That way we know that I am not lying to YOU.

People's property taxes are a public record; you can easily get that info.

I don't have the time. I work for a living.

 

[ivan salis]

you can have the greatest house in a crappy area * and the low class homes in the area , along with poorly funded schools and general poor fiscal neighborhood will drag down its overall value , thats "comps" or homes in the area have sold for "x" so your home is in that general class of "home" value type of neighborhood --ie a great house in a poor neighborhood suffers from its surroundings.

most folks tend to hate paying taxes mainly because in their veiw much of their tax dollars are misused and abused by politicans --few folks mind paying taxes so long as their "honestly" used to do the things that need doing -- like schools for kids , road repair , paying for trash disposial, sewer upkeep , water line repairs and such.

 

[dieselram94]

you can have the greatest house in a crappy area * and the low class homes in the area , along with poorly funded schools and general poor fiscal neighborhood will drag diown its overall value , thats "comps" or homes in the area have sold for "x" so your home is in that general class of "home" value type of neighborhood --ie a great house in a poor neighborhood suffers from its surroundings.

X2!!!

 

[dieselram94]

Yeah, I'm a homeowner and property taxpayer.

I don't think that property taxes are theft; they help plow the streets, maintain roads, keep the deputies on duty, help mostly ungrateful folks get grants to upgrade their septic systems, and dozens of other programs.

If you don't like what they're used for, run for office and change it. I'm sure there's enough like-minded folks in you district that you can initiate real tax change.

Start a movement.

You don't think taxes are theft but they "go to mostly ungrateful people "......think about this.

 

[dieselram94]

Bum luck , you think taxing you on everything including floor tile vs carpet is fair and just? Do you think its right that people have to sell their homes because they can't afford the taxes anymore?

 

[Dave44]

People's property taxes are a public record; you can easily get that info.

I don't have the time. I work for a living.

My point exactly! You do not believe, you do not accept what I show, but will not look it up for yourself!

I would say that you know more than you comprehend. That is truly unfortunate. That must work well in your circles.

Good luck!

 

[dieselram94]

Bum luck, I see from your profile you are a "land surveyor" do you actually survey land or is this a way to say tax assessor? I am not trying to be funny here, just trying to understand where you are coming from...