New Jersey Woman Arrested for Reciting Constitution at Tax Meeting

[jerseyben]

I will not allow any assessor into my home either.....It's none of their damn business what the inside of my home looks like and what my posessions are. Tax was paid on all of these items when purchased....

You DO realize that they are assessing the structure of your home only. NJ does not have assessed tax on personal property beyond the sales tax.

 

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[Dave44]

Bend over? Why so hostile? Last time I checked opinions were still allowed here on Tnet, no? I didn't say anything offensive towards you buddy, relax.

Did you not offer a slight to Flya that went something like this?
"Just for the record, I think that the people making a big deal over allowing them into your home are just making a big deal over nothing. What you should really be upset over are the tax rates themselves and how your property taxes are being spent locally. What good does it do fighting about letting an assessor into your home? Seriously, who cares... "
Are you trying to say that he does not know what is good for his household or his life? You may be assuming too much.

 

[jerseyben]

Did you not offer a slight to Flya that went something like this?
"Just for the record, I think that the people making a big deal over allowing them into your home are just making a big deal over nothing. What you should really be upset over are the tax rates themselves and how your property taxes are being spent locally. What good does it do fighting about letting an assessor into your home? Seriously, who cares... "
Are you trying to say that he does not know what is good for his household or his life? You may be assuming too much.

Hey man, think whatever you want. That is MY PERSONAL OPINION. Has nothing to do with anyone but me.
If you are bothered by this then either get a thicker skin or don't post on a public forum where people with differing opinions might make their voice heard. Have a great day.

 

[dieselram94]

You DO realize that they are assessing the structure of your home only. NJ does not have assessed tax on personal property beyond the sales tax.

I am speaking in terms of all states. I live in Maine. Why do they need to see the inside of your home to assess tax? The structure? Really? When I owned a home in southern California no home invasion to tax, Maine same thing. Although on tax bill there is a unused column for furniture. I know my towns tax assessor and can tell you that he has NO need to enter your home.....

 

[jerseyben]

I am speaking in terms of all states. I live in Maine. Why do they need to see the inside of your home to assess tax? The structure? Really? When I owned a home in southern California no home invasion to tax, Maine same thing. Although on tax bill there is a unused column for furniture. I know my towns tax assessor and can tell you that he has NO need to enter your home.....

Diesel, I am not disagreeing with you. I am trying to explain that NJ does not have assessed tax on personal property but I know that other states do (I would have to look up which ones do). So in those states, they would need to know what you have in order to tax you correctly on those items.

 

[Dave44]

If your house was built to International Building Codes you have no reason to expect anyone to enter your house on the flimsy excuse of "assessing the structure". There is a lot more to it if that is all they are taxing you on. Why worry about them entering your house after all, huh?

 

[dieselram94]

Diesel, I am not disagreeing with you. I am trying to explain that NJ does not have assessed tax on personal property but I know that other states do (I would have to look up which ones do). So in those states, they would need to know what you have in order to tax you correctly on those items.

Jersey, I guess I am confused here. You stated that New Jersey comes into your home to assess the structure. What do they need to assess? I can tell you for sure a look from the street can tell you just about all anyone needs to know about a homes overall condition. As far as taxing on personal property I understand what you are saying about needing to see contents to tax correctly. However I am saying it is none of the tax assessors business what you own as tax was paid on all of those items when purchased (in most states anyways). These items should not be taxed again....Home invasion/inspections is just a way to check up on citizens.

 

[flyadive]

They can assess your homes value just by doing a drive by. They don't even have to enter your property. I had to get financing for home owners for second mortgages and the financing bank would drive by and take a quick look. That was it.
Here in NJ we have to fight against people who got their masters degrees " how to get over on the public for profit" and we won't ever win.
Sad but true !

 

[jerseyben]

Home invasion/inspections is just a way to check up on citizens.

Interesting idea but this is where I will have to respectfully disagree with you.

 

[dieselram94]

Interesting idea but this is where I will have to respectfully disagree with you.

On what grounds do you disagree? How come other states don't have to enter your home to determine value?

 

[Chadeaux]

Bend over? Why so hostile? Last time I checked opinions were still allowed here on Tnet, no? I didn't say anything offensive towards you buddy, relax.

No, you didn't say anything offensive, but neither did flyadive.

The first sentence is basically how these folks treat taxpayers ... not the Tnet posters, but these "assessors for hire".

Last time I looked, any sheriff's deputy or other law enforcement officer can become an assessor for hire just by becoming one of their "temporary" employees.

Are you sure they didn't look for more than the value of "legitimate" items? Would surely be a good ruse to assess how many weapons you have, how much alcohol you have, cigarettes, sugary drinks, etc. --- oh as well as trying to determine if you are self medicating, a person that should be watched because of your political, religious or "literary" interests.

Just a thought . . . btw, I've used my business to have warrants issued to persons who were known drug dealers. Criminals are criminals. They ALL think they're above the law. One guy stole a dresser from a client's business. He refused to let me remove it for them. I told him the cops would be back to pick it up for me. He was too danged stupid to take his dope, guns, and money out of it before they got there. He got a nice room and a new boyfriend named Bubba courtesy of the State of Arkansas.

The deputies weren't called on a drug dealer, they were called to return stolen property. They didn't just pick it up, they examined it (including the little black book taped to the bottom of one of the drawers --- so some of his "friends" got a room as well.

This was done with a warrant and was legal. You are advocating that it be done WITHOUT a warrant --- THAT IS ILLEGAL P E R I O D ! ! !

 

[jerseyben]

This was done with a warrant and was legal. You are advocating that it be done WITHOUT a warrant --- THAT IS ILLEGAL P E R I O D ! ! !

I'm not advocating anything. Please don't twist my words around (or the lack of my words for that matter). You guys have a tendency to take normal debate and turn it into something completely out in left field.

 

[Dave44]

Interesting idea but this is where I will have to respectfully disagree with you.

I agree with Diesel, on what grounds do you disagree? Make your case. They are after all only assessing the structure itself. I could easily do that from the street by knowing when it was built, and I do not work for the company attached to the county trying to take your cash.

 

[Chadeaux]

Diesel, I am not disagreeing with you. I am trying to explain that NJ does not have assessed tax on personal property but I know that other states do (I would have to look up which ones do). So in those states, they would need to know what you have in order to tax you correctly on those items.

They DON'T NEED TO KNOW, unless they have a WARRANT.

Just for the record, I think that the people making a big deal over allowing them into your home are just making a big deal over nothing. . . . Seriously, who cares...

Yes, removed the part of the statement that did not apply.

I'm not advocating anything. Please don't twist my words around (or the lack of my words for that matter). You guys have a tendency to take normal debate and turn it into something completely out in left field.

It is a big deal, I did not twist any words. When folks don't see the problem with violations of the law by the gooberment, I don't see how they can function in the real world. Coming into your home without a warrant . . . to look around? That is an illegal search, regardless of the ruse used to gain access.

 

[2screwed]

There are some valid reasons why the tax assessor might want to see the inside of a home, especially an older one. You could have remodeled. Upgraded a bathroom or kitchen. Turned a den into a bedroom, etc. All these things increase the value of a home. That being said. If your associated with any government agency your not coming into my house unless it's an emergency. There are of course some exceptions that I will invite them in for.

 

[spartacus53]

2screwed, no way. That makes too much sense

 

[dieselram94]

They would already know about things like remodeling as it usually requires permits and more insections.

 

[spartacus53]

They would already know about things like remodeling as it usually requires permits and more insections.

Two things right off the bat

1- they don't know material used for flooring i.e tile vs Italian marble etc

2- permits We don't need no stinkin permits

Note: You would be surprised at the amount of illegal work being done in the barter system

 

[Gold Maven]

charged with making terroristic threats. This means they can use the new anti terrorist laws disregarding habus corpus, etc.

 

[dieselram94]

Two things right off the bat

1- they don't know material used for flooring i.e tile vs Italian marble etc

2- permits We don't need no stinkin permits

Note: You would be surprised at the amount of illegal work being done in the barter system

Type of flooring doesn't matter as the homes value is dictated heavily by comps .....
As far as illegal work goes, I am aware but it wouldn't be like this if we removed a lot of the red tape.