New Jersey Woman Arrested for Reciting Constitution at Tax Meeting

[spartacus53]

I just mentioned flooring as one of them, the list goes on, covering any upgrade. You think particleboard paneling is the same a mahogany? Window, door, and any permanent fixture upgrades also count. i.e ceramic sinks vs marble, etc. And yes, even the type of flooring is considered, like pure hardwood floors. It's anything that adds value to the structure, and not just the structure itself.

 

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[ivan salis]

always remember that the cops salaries are paid with "tax dollars' collected by "the man" --if you are seen as a threat to "the man" that collects those tax dollars that pays their salary , guess who's side the cops are going to be on ?-- those that rob peter (the public) to pay paul (the cops) can always count on the support of paul. (the cops) --cops are the "hired guns" of "the man". surprize ,surprize

for many years lots of homes were "over valued" tax wize (until the real estate bubble burst) --it was great for the county to say your home is worth 250 ,000 when its tax time but when you actually tried to sell it it would not fetch 150,000-- but folks just loved to brag --my homes worth a quarter or half million , so they paid the extra taxes on the BS figure that the tax man said it was worth.

 

[Dave44]

Ok Spart. What you are saying is that Jersey ben had no idea what he was talking about when he said structure only.

Are you saying the assessment is based on the finer things in the house?

There is a place in Va Beach where the assessments were 200k for the lot, and 300k for the house. But since many houses need repair I guess, the county flipped the assessment last year. Kind of weird, the lot is worth much more than the house now. (in some cases the lot went up 100k or more, the house went down half).

I found out when we were looking to buy property down there.

Good times in taxation.

 

[dieselram94]

Taxes are legalized theft....

 

[Chadeaux]

So, let me get this straight. We all know I'm a bit "Challenged". Between Spart and Jersyben I hear this:

1. We can't be trusted because we're only citizens.
2. The government can always be trusted because . . . well, they're the government.
3. Anyone who doesn't believe #1 AND #2 is stoooooopiiiiid.

That about sum it up?

As someone who is very curious, what color is the sky in your world?

 

[Red James Cash]

As someone who is very curious, what color is the sky in your world?

There is no color,theyre in the dark.

 

[ivan salis]

any form of govt by it's very nature is a theif of the public's money : since it must feed itself off what it takes in from "the public" and does not produce any "income' --it can only return whats "leftover" back to the public that it was taken from in the first place and it has to be less than what was taken in the first place,* unless of course the govt in the name of "the people" generates "debt" --a trick by which they spend " money" now by forcing the public much more deeply in debt in the future.---- govt's like households need to be limited in their spending * to stay on sound fiscal footing --we need a "balanced budget" clause to prevent abuse by todays politicans who spend like crazy and pass the buck to be paid off "in the future" this type of tactic is what leads homeowners to bankruptcy and will do the same for our country if left unchecked.--the best govt is the smallest one that can do the things that are actually required of it , since it will leave more money in the pockets of the people where it rightfully belongs.

 

[mercury1]

any form of govt by it's very nature is a theif of the public's money : since it must feed itself off what it takes in from "the public" and does not produce any "income' --it can only return whats "leftover" back to the public that it was taken from in the first place and it has to be less than what was taken in the first place,* unless of course the govt in the name of "the people" generates "debt" --a trick by which they spend " money" now by forcing the public much more deeply in debt in the future.---- govt's like households need to be limited in their spending * to stay on sound fiscal footing --we need a "balanced budget" clause to prevent abuse by todays politicans who spend like crazy and pass the buck to be paid off "in the future" this type of tactic is what leads homeowners to bankruptcy and will do the same for our country if left unchecked.--the best govt is the smallest one that can do the things that are actually required of it , since it will leave more money in the pockets of the people where it rightfully belongs.

The problem with applying logic and common sense to the problem of government debt is that the government has the ability to push the day of reckoning far enough into the future that to many, it doesn't seem like a problem they need to worry about. Households can get underwater very quickly when spending gets out of control. Obama has a printing press and he's not afraid to use it. History is full of examples of what happens to countries economies when they just print money out of thin air. It always ends badly.

 

[worldtalker]

So, let me get this straight. We all know I'm a bit "Challenged". Between Spart and Jersyben I hear this:

1. We can't be trusted because we're only citizens.
2. The government can always be trusted because . . . well, they're the government.
3. Anyone who doesn't believe #1 AND #2 is stoooooopiiiiid.

That about sum it up?

As someone who is very curious, what color is the sky in your world?

Today due to Chem trail activity it's not blue!

 

[Bum Luck]

I agree with Diesel, on what grounds do you disagree? Make your case. They are after all only assessing the structure itself. I could easily do that from the street by knowing when it was built, and I do not work for the company attached to the county trying to take your cash.

No you can't assess the structure from the street.

How would they know if you had a finished basement with a bathroom (more value, ask a realtor), or a just plain mechanical room with a dirt floor?

I find your statement that the county is "trying to take your cash" an interesting and revealing perspective. A fair tax system is in all our interests as citizens. It seems like you are trying to defend some "right" to pay less than your fellow citizen. No one has that "right".

 

[Bum Luck]

for many years lots of homes were "over valued" tax wize (until the real estate bubble burst) --it was great for the county to say your home is worth 250 ,000 when its tax time but when you actually tried to sell it it would not fetch 150,000-- but folks just loved to brag --my homes worth a quarter or half million , so they paid the extra taxes on the BS figure that the tax man said it was worth.

That's not how it works. It doesn't matter if your home is valued at 20 times what it's worth (as long as everyone's is inflated the same amount) - your taxes are determined by the percentage of your valuation compared to the "levy", a fixed amount the county needs to function.

But, every so often, the valuations need to be brought up to as near the market value as possible since that's the fair thing to do for all taxpayers. Hence the assessor.

 

[spartacus53]

So, let me get this straight. We all know I'm a bit "Challenged". Between Spart and Jersyben I hear this:

1. We can't be trusted because we're only citizens.
2. The government can always be trusted because . . . well, they're the government.
3. Anyone who doesn't believe #1 AND #2 is stoooooopiiiiid.

That about sum it up?

As someone who is very curious, what color is the sky in your world?

If that is your comprehension of what I wrote, that's your problem

 

[dieselram94]

That's not how it works. It doesn't matter if your home is valued at 20 times what it's worth (as long as everyone's is inflated the same amount) - your taxes are determined by the percentage of your valuation compared to the "levy", a fixed amount the county needs to function.

But, every so often, the valuations need to be brought up to as near the market value as possible since that's the fair thing to do for all taxpayers. Hence the assessor.

Interesting that they never seem to lower values when the market declines...Whats fair is fair don't you think?

 

[dieselram94]

No you can't assess the structure from the street.

How would they know if you had a finished basement with a bathroom (more value, ask a realtor), or a just plain mechanical room with a dirt floor?

I find your statement that the county is "trying to take your cash" an interesting and revealing perspective. A fair tax system is in all our interests as citizens. It seems like you are trying to defend some "right" to pay less than your fellow citizen. No one has that "right".

You could have marble floors throughout, however this doesn't mean you can get way more money for it than a comp. They already know if you have a finished basement and other improvements from permits. Example: 1972 double wide on a .25 acre lot does adding granite countertops REALLY increase the homes value any? Or is it still a 1972 double wide on a .25 acre lot.....Lets be realistic here. A mobile home is just that a mobile home, a ranch style home is still just a ranch style home, a raised ranch is still just a raised ranch and so on. You can make all the improvemnets you want and it still has a value determined by comps. Saying anything else could only be one of two things: A desire to tax someone because of some social justice/envy crap or just uninformed opinions.

 

[dieselram94]

That's not how it works. It doesn't matter if your home is valued at 20 times what it's worth (as long as everyone's is inflated the same amount) - your taxes are determined by the percentage of your valuation compared to the "levy", a fixed amount the county needs to function.

But, every so often, the valuations need to be brought up to as near the market value as possible since that's the fair thing to do for all taxpayers. Hence the assessor.

" It doesn't matter if your home is valued at 20 times what it's worth" This is a very troubling statement...

 

[Bum Luck]

Interesting that they never seem to lower values when the market declines...Whats fair is fair don't you think?

Works the same. Check it out.

And if you understand what I wrote, you can see that it makes no difference.

 

[Bum Luck]

You could have marble floors throughout, however this doesn't mean you can get way more money for it than a comp. They already know if you have a finished basement and other improvements from permits. Example: 1972 double wide on a .25 acre lot does adding granite countertops REALLY increase the homes value any? Or is it still a 1972 double wide on a .25 acre lot.....Lets be realistic here. A mobile home is just that a mobile home, a ranch style home is still just a ranch style home, a raised ranch is still just a raised ranch and so on. You can make all the improvemnets you want and it still has a value determined by comps. Saying anything else could only be one of two things: A desire to tax someone because of some social justice/envy crap or just uninformed opinions.

You can try diversions all you want, but my example is correct.

An assessor can't value property just "because of some social justice/envy crap or just uninformed opinions."

 

[ivan salis]

countys tend to figger their amount of spending based upon the current market conditions and value of the homes they can "access" --when the market value of your home and land declines the county will not not ease your tax "burden" --since they have already calulated how much they need to tax you (the millage tax rate ) based upon your homes "past' higher value , to get the same amount of money in taxes that they need to operate on to keep from cutting govt services and jobs --they actually need to raise the millage tax rates to generate the same amount of funding as they would have gotten before the homes value declined --thus when the "houses' value went down , they raised the value of the land it was upon to comp the differance tax wize. --bottom line --they need so much money to keep the govt functioning and to pay their salarys and their going to get it from local home owners one way or another.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Interesting that they never seem to lower values when the market declines...Whats fair is fair don't you think?

Do know about Maine, but in Florida you can request your home be reappraised for taxes based on the value falling, problem is many times they raise the mill tax so even though your home comes back valued less, taxes seem to never change, or they go up because they raised the mill tax on the property, or on schools and other services based on declining tax revenues...

 

[Dave44]

Works the same. Check it out.

And if you understand what I wrote, you can see that it makes no difference.

This is pure Crapola in itself bummer. You can spend 60k on improvements and not see dimes worth of extra cash in sales if the comps in the area do not do the same. You will be strangled by the amount the houses in the area have sold for previously. Have you never sold a house in your life? I cannot even believe you think this way?

If the Goobers are coming in your house to assess you they are checking to see if you have more money to spend than your neighbor! ( the house may be worth more? COUGH LOLOLLOLOL !!! Check with a realtor!)

Let me understand you, everyone is the same and all laws fit equally, until payment time. Then some are more entitled to a hosing than others, right?