New finds at the 1836 farm. New pics. Need Help with button /coin ID

[crazyjarhead]

I am so happy tonight as I got permission to hunt a home built in 1836. The guy is trying to sell it and is in Florida. No one lives there.Within 1 hour I had three Indians and a 1919 Wheatie. The Indians were all at 4-5 inches. The 1866 looks brand new and it's the oldest of the three. No silver, yet. What was the production dates for the Indian pennies??


UPDATE FRIDAY JULY 4TH 10PM EST. Just got back in from another hunt. 5 clad pennies, 1 1976 dime, a 1944 merc, and some kind of copper badge with an animal in a trap. Don't know what it is. Also found a ring. Has some inscription on the inside but can't read it. I broke it with the shovel diging it out at 6 inches. The merc was at 4 inches. I'll try again tomorow


UPDATED SUNDAY NIGHT AT 11 PM EST First of all Got permission from the owners daughter today to hunt, not the realtor . I got in a few hours to hunt but have a lot more ground to cover. Need help identifying the button and the chinese coin??. A few cherry wheaties and a few memorials. Back Monday afternoon to do some more. PS PICTURE is from 1907. My Grandmother (95) let me borrow this book on the rich history of this small town. Lots of pics and more good ideas of places to hunt.

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[Silverseeker]

Re: 0ne little, two little, three little indians . First with ACE 250 and oldest

Huge congratulations on some great finds. Time has been very kind to that 1866. It's absolutely beautiful.

 

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[crazyjarhead]

Re: 0ne little, two little, three little indians . First with ACE 250 and oldest

Thanks for the kind comments. Well, it's raining here today so my hunt has been postponed. Let me ask a few questions since I know little about coins. I guess one of the coins is copper?? Is that why it has a green appearance. A member sent me a price and grading guide and I was looking at it. I have no way to make decision on how to grade it because I am not a professional. I know without seeing the coin in person it's hard to tell. Any ideas on the grade?

 

[crazyjarhead]

Re: 0ne little, two little, three little indians . First with ACE 250 and oldest

Wow! Those Indians are in nice shape! The ground is not kind to most of them. You have some good finds there. What was the condition of the soil?

Where I live at is mostly clay. But 10 miles away where I found this the soil was remarkably dryer and granular in places. I'm still stunned at the condition of the coins. As I stated earlier, they were found out in the front yard. The 1866 was found up close to the driveway about 10-12 feet from the house. I will add some more photos by tonight. Hopefully this rain will go away.

 

[treasurefiend]

Re: 0ne little, two little, three little indians . First with ACE 250 and oldest

I would say that the 1866 is in "Extra Fine" condition

 

[crazyjarhead]

Re: 0ne little, two little, three little indians . First with ACE 250 and oldest

I would say that the 1866 is in "Extra Fine" condition

Thanks treasurefiend. I just e-mail this coin collector who specializes in Indian head cents.

 

[Dr. Ace]

Re: 0ne little, two little, three little indians . First with ACE 250 and oldest

Congrats on a great find! All three of those Indians look great, but the one is exceptional!

When you say 'small' coil, were you using the sniper, or just the stock coil? What size coil do you normally hunt with?

My experience with deeper coins is that they will bounce around a bit, pennies especially will show up anywhere from a low penny to a dime, and if they're deep, they may move on the meter, especially if you vary the direction you sweep over them. At times I tend to go more by sound than the meter. If the sound is repeatable, I'd be digging, especially in an old yard like that one. I would also experiment with bumping up the sensitivity to five or six bars. But that's just me, and each condition is different.

Again, WTG. Enjoy yourself. I hope the rain stops soon so you can get out. Moist soil will help conductivity, too, so you have that going for you.

Awesome finds - I look forward to seeing what else you find!

HH,

Dr. Ace

 

[crazyjarhead]

Re: 0ne little, two little, three little indians . First with ACE 250 and oldest

Thanks Dr. Ace for your input. I was just using the small stock coil. I received the larger sniper coil as a special. The Indians, all three I believe, were giving off iffy signals. For example, I would get only one ring instead of the common 2. It would bounce from dime to penny. Sometimes a penny, sometimes a dime and a penny. I almost didn't dig the 1866. I'm still green at this but experience sure is the best teacher as always. I'm going to really focus in on this place and dig anything within doubt.

 

[litefire56]

Re: 0ne little, two little, three little indians . First with ACE 250 and oldest

Congrad's on the ex-fine injun. I would be cranking the sens. all the way up on the Ace if I were you. You may get a lot of false signals, but you'll gain the max. depth of the Ace. Also when the good targets seem to slow down, try less discrim or all metal mode and start removing junk that is hiding the good targets underneath.

 

[crazyjarhead]

Re: 0ne little, two little, three little indians . First with ACE 250 and oldest

Congrad's on the ex-fine injun. I would be cranking the sens. all the way up on the Ace if I were you. You may get a lot of false signals, but you'll gain the max. depth of the Ace. Also when the good targets seem to slow down, try less discrim or all metal mode and start removing junk that is hiding the good targets underneath.

Thanks for the advice. I have had the sensitivity at half or less. I'm still learning the machine and am always open for pointers. I'll try that. The rain has stopped so I'm getting impatient.

 

[ringfinder]

Re: 0ne little, two little, three little indians

Hey guy, love the little man detecting. Look at mine, they must be brothers. LOL, must have been in the same outfint

WOW! That 1866 is in awesome shape!

 

[allen]

Re: 0ne little, two little, three little indians . First with ACE 250 and oldest

those are some great looking coins...you'll find the silver if it is there...

 

[Nate in Ohio]

Re: 0ne little, two little, three little indians . First with ACE 250 and oldest

That IH is worth some nice $. Tough to pinpoint how much because of the fact that it was dug from the ground but that is awesome! Hope you had some luck this morning with it...I'd be so excited to hunt there...I'd be digging even the lower trash tones...never know what you'll get with all that age potential...looking forward to seeing what comes up next, HH!

 

[ringfinder]

Re: 0ne little, two little, three little indians . First with ACE 250 and oldest

Nice photos and really like the IH's, you can't beat a ACE 250, my first year using mine, I found over a 100 IH's. Been kinda slow this year, only have 6, but the rain has been bad and been working a lot, that takes away from detecting.

HH, Ringfinder

 

[crazyjarhead]

Re: 0ne little, two little, three little indians . First with ACE 250 and oldest

That IH is worth some nice $. Tough to pinpoint how much because of the fact that it was dug from the ground but that is awesome! Hope you had some luck this morning with it...I'd be so excited to hunt there...I'd be digging even the lower trash tones...never know what you'll get with all that age potential...looking forward to seeing what comes up next, HH!

Thanks ringfinder, but it's raining right now......imagine that! I hopefully will get over there soon. This wait is hard on the nerves

 

[Goes4ever]

Re: 0ne little, two little, three little indians . First with ACE 250 and oldest

awesome IH, all the indians I have found are that nice green color too, look at the one in my avatar. Congrats on the great finds! What do you say to a realator about hunting a house for sale? Don't she have to contact the owner first?

 

[Old River]

Re: 0ne little, two little, three little indians . Oldest is 1866

Great finds. Hope your are able to find more of the same.

 

[crazyjarhead]

Re: 0ne little, two little, three little indians . First with ACE 250 and oldest

awesome IH, all the indians I have found are that nice green color too, look at the one in my avatar. Congrats on the great finds! What do you say to a realator about hunting a house for sale? Don't she have to contact the owner first?

I called her and left a message because I couldn't get ahold of her. She called me back one hour later.The owner now lives in Florida. I'm going on her word. I don't know if she called him or not. It's the go ahead for me.

 

[Captn SE]

Re: 0ne little, two little, three little indians . Oldest is 1866

I don't know why it has that green color but I have seen a few on here that looked the same. I don't know what they made them out of 150 years ago.

Indians from 1865-1909 were made of 95% copper and 5% Tin and Zinc. The green patina is the reaction of the copper to the ground minerals over the years. Although you have a very sharp, detailed coin, I would ask your coin dealer friend whether the green patina is a desirable artifact for coin collectors. I'm thinking the original copper luster would be more desirable for collectors. But I really like to dig them and see that beautiful patina on them.

HH,
CAPTN SE
Dan

 

[crazyjarhead]

Re: 0ne little, two little, three little indians . Oldest is 1866

I don't know why it has that green color but I have seen a few on here that looked the same. I don't know what they made them out of 150 years ago.

Indians from 1865-1909 were made of 95% copper and 5% Tin and Zinc. The green patina is the reaction of the copper to the ground minerals over the years. Although you have a very sharp, detailed coin, I would ask your coin dealer friend whether the green patina is a desirable artifact for coin collectors. I'm thinking the original copper luster would be more desirable for collectors. But I really like to dig them and see that beautiful patina on them.
Thanks for the info, Captain. Thats interesting. I wonder why the other 2 are more of the bronze color. I guess it would depend on the soil, right?
HH,
CAPTN SE
Dan

 

[Captn SE]

Re: 0ne little, two little, three little indians . Oldest is 1866

Indians from 1865-1909 were made of 95% copper and 5% Tin and Zinc. The green patina is the reaction of the copper to the ground minerals over the years. Although you have a very sharp, detailed coin, I would ask your coin dealer friend whether the green patina is a desirable artifact for coin collectors. I'm thinking the original copper luster would be more desirable for collectors. But I really like to dig them and see that beautiful patina on them.

HH,
CAPTN SE
Dan

Thanks for the info, Captain. Thats interesting. I wonder why the other 2 are more of the bronze color. I guess it would depend on the soil, right?

Yeah, I think it would be the soil conditions, and how much moisture the coin received while it was in the ground.

HH,
CAPTN SE
Dan