N.J. Senate votes to overhaul states firearms ID system

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No, race was bought and paid for....

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Instead of making excuses I hold my party responsible for running an extremely poor campaign and not having a solid platform. Until you hold them responsible, the party will not change and they will not win.

Quick - tell me how Romney planned on helping the economy out of recession / depression ??
 

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No, race was bought and paid for....

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I will not disagree with this statement, however... Could you not say the exact same thing about the last 2, 3, 4, or even 5 elections?
 

I am talking about the freebies....... Millions voted for O strictly for the free stuff, they were too ignorant to know nothing is free, we are paying for it one way or another....
 

I am talking about the freebies....... Millions voted for O strictly for the free stuff, they were too ignorant to know nothing is free, we are paying for it one way or another....

How do you know the motivations and thought processes of millions of different people?
 

Give a Lib a Fish....He eats for a Day
Teach a Lib to Fish.....He will demand more Free Fish.
 

How do you know the motivations and thought processes of millions of different people?

I'm not blind, nature of my job puts me in the position to see it, if I see it a 50-100 times a week, week in and week out for last 5 years what does that tell you...

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TH, with all due respect, those are just assumptions and judgements.

Only God and those millions of people really know for sure.
 

I'm not blind, nature of my job puts me in the position to see it, if I see it a 50-100 times a week, week in and week out for last 5 years what does that tell you...

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I always find the "buying vote" statement funny.

Like only one party "buys votes". Every politician "buys votes" if that what you want to call it. They might be targeting different audiences. What do you call high bracket tax cuts, low capital gain rates, limited government oversight of business. Let me tell you the repubs have "bought my vote" every since I could vote.

You also might not realize that facts say people who are much lower on the socio/economic scale are much less likely to vote. So thinking a ton of poor people are rushing to the polls to get their freebies is just not born out by the facts. But make good rhetoric.

And when bush spent tens / hundreds of billions on bushcare free drug program do you think he was doing that out of the goodness if his heart. Of course not, he was trying to buy the AARP vote.

Come on, let's cut through the rhetoric and have an honest conversation. This is the problem with the ENTIRE political process - not the problem of a single party. People let the politicians turn it into a dem vs repub debate when it should be a debate on how disgusting our entire political system has become. Both side are on the take and lousy.

My opinion. Best.
 

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The NRA is all over them. This is NJ not South Carolina. The NRA has no power in Jersey. The fringe right has little voice in NJ.

Survey says well over 75% of all voters favor increased gun control.

Christie hasn't said what he'll do. He badly wants to be reelected as governor this coming fall. If the election were further away he might veto these BIlls to apease a national crowd of conservatives. But with the election looming large he's more likley to do what most of his constituents want, sign the Bills. There could be some compromise, Christie being Christie. But at his point he doesn't need anything that will put him out of favor with the majority of his voters. In that sense all NJ politicians DO GET IT!

My read on Christie is that he is a liberal who claims to be conservative when it is convenient. I am ready to move south again because West Virginia is geographically too close to all these liberal states, and it is rubbing off on people like our ex-governor who is now in the US Senate and now wants gun control.
 

TH, with all due respect, those are just assumptions and judgements.

Only God and those millions of people really know for sure.

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I always find the "buying vote" statement funny.

Like only one party "buys votes". Every politician "buys votes" if that what you want to call it. They might be targeting different audiences. What do you call high bracket tax cuts, low capital gain rates, limited government oversight of business. Let me tell you the repubs have "bought my vote" every since I could vote.

You also might not realize that facts say people who are much lower on the socio/economic scale are much less likely to vote. So thinking a ton of poor people are rushing to the polls to get their freebies is just not born out by the facts. But make good rhetoric.

And when bush spent tens / hundreds of billions on bushcare free drug program do you think he was doing that out of the goodness if his heart. Of course not, he was trying to buy the AARP vote.

Come on, let's cut through the rhetoric and have an honest conversation. This is the problem with the ENTIRE political process - not the problem of a single party. People let the politicians turn it into a dem vs repub debate when it should be a debate on how disgusting our entire political system has become. Both side are on the take and lousy.

My opinion. Best.

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My read on Christie is that he is a liberal who claims to be conservative when it is convenient. I am ready to move south again because West Virginia is geographically too close to all these liberal states, and it is rubbing off on people like our ex-governor who is now in the US Senate and now wants gun control.

Not sure he has ever "claimed to be a conservative"? Matter of fact I think he has purposely NOT claimed that. Plenty of excellent republicans might be "fiscal conservative", but are definitely "social moderates". Personally I see nothing wrong with that. Its prob the way the party needs to move if they ever want to win the big house again. Just my opinion.
 

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That's a very compelling response. If you think the statement is incorrect feel free to share your opinion as the "bang head" does not add much to the conversation.
 

That's a very compelling response. If you think the statement is incorrect feel free to share your opinion as the "bang head" does not add much to the conversation.

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Personally I would boot the so called " religious right" put of the party and let them do there own thing. It's just completely fringe and frankly embarrassing when you have folks still espousing anti science, anti gay, blaming women for rape, etc, etc. we already have people doing this - they are called the Taliban. Head on over to Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Hopefully the tea party will split from these people and focus on fiscal responsibility and leave religion and people's personal lives out of government. Just my 2 cents.

You can't be serious Picker. Since when were liberal democrats fiscally responsible. Bang head:
 

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You can't be serious Picker. Since when were liberal democrats fiscally responsible. Bag head:

Who ever said that. I said that republicans can be fiscal conservative yet be more socially moderate.
 

You can't be serious Picker. Since when were liberal democrats fiscally responsible. Bag head:

Of course compared to bush some previous democrats did look fiscally responsible. He spent like a far left liberal and was a traitor to the Republican Party.
 

Who ever said that. I said that republicans can be fiscal conservative yet be more socially moderate.

Well actually, you said you wanted tea party to split and focus on fiscal responsibility. So I interpreted it to mean have them align with fiscally responsible democrats, but there aren't enough of them to make any difference or they are already in the tea party. Sorry if this irritates anyone but perception is reality and my perception is that the USA has become a country of liberals, and that will take us down.
 

Well actually, you said you wanted tea party to split and focus on fiscal responsibility. So I interpreted it to mean have them align with fiscally responsible democrats, but there aren't enough of them to make any difference or they are already in the tea party. Sorry if this irritates anyone but perception is reality and my perception is that the USA has become a country of liberals, and that will take us down.

And what are you using as your baseline?
 

Well actually, you said you wanted tea party to split and focus on fiscal responsibility. So I interpreted it to mean have them align with fiscally responsible democrats, but there aren't enough of them to make any difference or they are already in the tea party. Sorry if this irritates anyone but perception is reality and my perception is that the USA has become a country of liberals, and that will take us down.

Nope, Id like to see the tea party as a third party - though I doubt that will happen.

And you think there are any more liberals than the 60s 70s, etc, etc? I'm not sure if any data shows that. Frankly I think voters on a whole have always tended to be split almost 50 / 50. Not too many presidential elections where one side gets 75 percent of the vote - right?
 

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