Mystery Mauling.....

[Mzjavert]

Any pics of how Mike's healing? He's one really lucky dog.

Just out of curiosity. What is the range of some of these wild critters discussed here? How's the food sources for them in your area? Or is it more probable the one that attacked Mike is no longer in the area?

 

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[Limitool]

Any pics of how Mike's healing? He's one really lucky dog.

Just out of curiosity. What is the range of some of these wild critters discussed here? How's the food sources for them in your area? Or is it more probable the one that attacked Mike is no longer in the area?

If it was a coyote(s) attack then they didn't go far. Still very close to this area. Food sources in my area.... PLENTY. Lots of critters.... squirrels, rabbits, turkeys, mice, possums, armadillos and more for coyotes. We actually live in the woods with 1000's of acres of wooded area around me.
Cougar... huge range 50+ mile range in all directions.
Don't know a bears range.
I'll try a get a pic today and post of Mike's "old" wounds now.... but he's doing great.... Brad

EDITED: Mzjavert... tried to find camera to take some pics of Mike and his brother Ike... BUT... wife had camera packed away for a trip to Michigan for Thanksgiving (leaving tomorrow morning). SO.... later, I guess. (I do wear the pants here but I had already loaded the car)... Ok... kinda trust me. Most of ya know!!!! But I do wear"em... Brad

 

[Peyton Manning]

yeah, you wear em when she lets you!

 

[wainzoid]

yeah, you wear em when she lets you!

he might well wear the pants, but she could be wearing the belt!

 

[River Rat]

Cougars - Map: Spreading East

 

[Mzjavert]

Amazing the range some of these animals have.

Have a safe trip...well I assume you've made it to Michigan by now. So have a safe trip home.

 

[Limitool]

Cougars - Map: Spreading East

Mr. Rat.... Thanks for the map. Interesting stuff. But 1 dot needs to be in the MIDDLE OF HICKMAN CO. TENNESSEE. I know what I saw for a whooping 3 seconds run across the dirt road by my ridge top home. Now that was a few years ago but the neighbor behind me 1.5 miles away said 2 days later... "Brad, you wouldn't believe what I saw in the field out back". I guessed it!!!!! Have never seen it again. But then this summer I did see a completely white hummingbird at my wifes feeders this summer. So maybe I am crazy....

Mr. Gordon.... You and your buddy above can "bite me"... come on over we'll go looking for the white bird deep in the woods!!!!!

Hope ya all have a GREAT THANKSGIVING.... Brad.

 

[63bkpkr]

Trooper 733 brings up an interesting point, the over population of animals that Hunt for food. Here in Calif. as well as in other states folks are putting bans on hunting and without the right mix of hunters to hunt the other hunters the bears, wolves, coyotes, cats will multiply till they move in on human dwellings. Bears and big cats of course have little to fear from most other animals save for armed humans.

Trail cams are on sale right now at various stores (Cabelas, Midway, Brownells, Bass Pro, etc.) and for anyone living near or surrounded by woods having a trail cam keeping track of what is out there day or night could be money well spent. It could also save a child from being hurt or killed, even an adult alone and out for a morning or early evening jog would be considered fair game by a cat and that Has happened here in Calif.

Keep yourselves safe out there. Have a good Thanksgiving..........................63bkpkr

 

[Limitool]

Hello everyone.... I just got back from MI. and picked up our rural weekly paper. It appears right after Mike was attacked another one took place a few days later. As the "crow flies" this next attack was about 2 miles from me and I know the guy. I haven't spoke to him in years and just saw his name in the paper. And this is the SAME guy who saw the cougar in his field shortly after I saw it. Anyway a few days after Mike's attack a pack of "coydogs" (mix of dog / coyotes) killed 9 goats and a white Pyrenees who guarded them. A TWRA officer said "it appears to be feral dogs but coyotes seem to always get the blame. Coyotes don't mass kill". And I understand these type of "dogs" are more dangerous than coyotes.

So maybe this is why my dogs didn't engage and stayed on the deck till Mike said "charge". It also explains why when Mike started to scream for help and the rest of the dogs engaged the fight was over because the numbers were against the attackers. A bear or cougar wouldn't have cared and Mike would be dead instantly. It also explains why Mike was soak and wet from so many mouths on him at once. Just thought I'd share this latest information.... Brad

 

[Msbeepbeep]

That may give you a pretty good idea of how many feral dogs are in this pack. Sounds like there may be some larger dogs from the description of the size of wounds on Mike.
Bad news is they are not so much afraid of people. Nine goats killed more for the kill than the food, I'm thinking.
Hope they are moving thru and not moving in.
Rabies could be a concern, not so much for your dogs but people and other animals.
Hopefully you and your neighbors can take care of business!

 

[Limitool]

That may give you a pretty good idea of how many feral dogs are in this pack. Sounds like there may be some larger dogs from the description of the size of wounds on Mike.
Bad news is they are not so much afraid of people. Nine goats killed more for the kill than the food, I'm thinking.
Hope they are moving thru and not moving in.
Rabies could be a concern, not so much for your dogs but people and other animals.
Hopefully you and your neighbors can take care of business!

The neighbors and I live a l-o-n-g way apart and that gives plenty of room to roam unseen. And if I knew how to attract those feral dogs I would. If I can see them... I can kill them. I'd love to get within 20 yds. of them with a 16 ga. automatic w/no. 6 for 1st 2 shots then No. 4 for the remainder. I'm afraid long range snipering won't do much to "hurt" the pack.

 

[squiggy]

I have a night cam..as I live in ca in the woods and rehab wildlife, recently picked up Fox, bobcat and cougar pics..These guys are no problem for me. My domestic animals are in when dark, as all should be.
I hike, but not at dusk or dawn...I share the space with them and enjoy it!


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[Msbeepbeep]

Scent, sound, food. The challenge over territory is what got Mike in trouble. Dog whistle ? Ya I know, your dogs would show up. Sometimes simple works. Someone will get lucky.
BTW how is Mr. Mighty Mike now says?

 

[NJnuggetpirate]

I can tell you it was no Bobcat,and I doubt it was a bear...honestly inmho I would say RARE lion,or coyotes...yes,coyotes especially this time of year will lure,gang up and can kill a dog

Could it be a pack of feral dogs?

 

[ctalmadg]

Definitely Black bear. Hope your boy recover's quickly! Here's a story you'll get a chuckle out of.

I have a house in the Adirondacks. One night two summers ago my girlfriend went out to her SUV to get a cigarette. As she sat in the drivers seat she heard a weird noise behind her. She turns around and in the back part of the SUV sits a big black bear! She of course hauled ass out of the car and called me (I wasn't there that weekend). I told her to obviously stay out of the car. She called the local cops and they really didn't have any ideas.. I told them not to shoot it, since I didn't want to clean the blood out of the SUV! So I told my girlfriend to go in the fridge and find something tasty.. put it about 10-15 feet from the SUV and open the doors of the SUV and run back inside…She found some bacon!!!!! Finally about a hour later the bear was gone… Of course it piss and **** all over the back of the SUV. A few days later she brought the SUV to a Delta Sonic near Rochester, NY to have the interior cleaned. She told the story to the kids cleaning the SUV and they thought she was nuts! - she tipped them well.


Oh, my girlfriend had left the drivers window down…this is how the bear got in the car.

 

[kuger]

I have been monitoring this,and getting quite the chuckle......so many "definitely's ",.....LOL!!!Pack of feral dogs is absolutely plausible,GOOD LUCK,those situations are your worst nightmare.I used to get at least one major case a year with feral dogs and I have gained many a gray hair and went days and nights with no sleep trying to resolve the problems....never ever easy.A common dog is just months with no human interaction from going feral,older dogs that have been abandoned are the worst because they know human habits and all dogs have the born in instinct to be savage.I worked a high produce area that had a huge influx of seasonal field workers that would come and go,when they came they would get puppies for their kids,when they left,they left the now older dog to fend for themselves and they would form packs.I worked one case that resulted in over $130,000 damage to cattle and another that was in the neighborhood of $75,000(I took out over 21 dogs between the two cases)

I must point out to you that a Coy dog is the cross of a coyote and dog,this does not happen on a common scale....its actually quite rare,so the chance of a pack of coy/dogs is very remote.I personally have never ever heard of a pack coy/dogs ever recorded.I stated above somewhere that I have killed many coy/dogs.......I looked back through my very detailed records I have kept for the past 30 years and I have taken 6 confirmed coyote dog crossed animals(coy/dogs)so,I would not call that,"many",and keep in mind,that is out of a thousand coyote per year average......kind of shows just how rare they are huh?


also I must warn you that if you kill a dog,be prepared to face litigation from a possible owner,and huge amounts of $$$$ paid out by you,unless you can prove that said,dog committed a crime against you,or your property...as a Fed. Specialist,I was not even protected (rightfully so)

 

[Limitool]

Kuger... Thanks for the insight. Your right about the "definitely's" statement. The only thing here definite is Mr. Mike got his ass torn up.... period. He's fine now with only the deepest wounds with scabs yet. But he's up / down / all around now. The coy/dog statement above was from a TN. game official and I (like you) find it a little hard to believe to this extent. But a pack of feral dogs is highly possible. Hickman Co. residents are HORRIBLE about dumping off dogs out here. I have personally been riding my ATV way out in the woods with one or two of my dogs following. If they smell or see a coyote I've watched them chase it around right past me many times. But a couple times I've spotted a large dog ahead (50-100 yds.) and when we got up there my dogs would smell all over but not engage the scent trail. I always wondered why... but maybe they knew not to engage. We have taken in MANY dogs and puppies since 1994. The dogs Mike & Ike were feral and it took a long time to gain their trust. My wife and I watched them for 6-7 months running all over out here up to 2-3 miles from our home. You couldn't get near them. When we started to feed them it still took 4-6 weeks before we could get any closer than 20 yds. But I sat real still with the Thanksgiving turkey day carcass 2 years ago about a 1/2 mile from home and they very carefully approached and followed me home. Within another 2-3 weeks we could touch them. Now they sleep at my feet.

And Kuger I have been told by others also that a pack of feral dogs can be very dangerous. I'm more concerned now than ever especially after the slaughter behind me took place. Bear, hogs and a cougar don't bother me at all compared to this feral pack.

 

[kuger]

Lim,yes,take great caution with Feral dogs.The dynamics of the animal itself and its habits/reactions are very unique....unlike coyotes,or even wolves.
The one case I mentioned caused two of my co-workers to actually quit there jobs,and one had a nervous breakdown....both were top notch trappers as well...feral dogs do not follow any,"rules",or have the same habits coyotes do,therefore containing them or patterning them is a huge challenge.This particular "main",pack was actually consuming a large nut we have here called a Buckeye....which is some what toxic,and is much like soap(Indians would mash these up and put hem in contained pools to suffocate fish...or bring them to the surface)I had never even seen wild hogs eat Buckeyes!These dogs were truly wild!I say "main",pack because as this went on,and the damage escalated,more and more dogs were getting involved.....I caught a Bulldog cross that had a collar with a name and address.Due to the fact that the owner of a dog who is responsible for damage is liable,I had the terrible job of notifying the owners as well....this particular dog was this ladies"kid",he slept with her,until she left for work at 3:30 A.M,at which time she would put the dog out.......I caught the dog over 6 miles from its home.....with blood,and hair from a large steer the dogs had chewed the ears off of(this is the common damage/injury dogs ommit on cattle....chewed off noses as well)My point is,dogs act on adrenaline and some how seem to have a communication link that something big,and fun is going on,and they act like a pack of kids....they do something together that none would do alone.They also often maime or kill for joy,not out of hunger

 

[NJnuggetpirate]

Lim,yes,take great caution with Feral dogs.The dynamics of the animal itself and its habits/reactions are very unique....unlike coyotes,or even wolves.
The one case I mentioned caused two of my co-workers to actually quit there jobs,and one had a nervous breakdown....both were top notch trappers as well...feral dogs do not follow any,"rules",or have the same habits coyotes do,therefore containing them or patterning them is a huge challenge.This particular "main",pack was actually consuming a large nut we have here called a Buckeye....which is some what toxic,and is much like soap(Indians would mash these up and put hem in contained pools to suffocate fish...or bring them to the surface)I had never even seen wild hogs eat Buckeyes!These dogs were truly wild!I say "main",pack because as this went on,and the damage escalated,more and more dogs were getting involved.....I caught a Bulldog cross that had a collar with a name and address.Due to the fact that the owner of a dog who is responsible for damage is liable,I had the terrible job of notifying the owners as well....this particular dog was this ladies"kid",he slept with her,until she left for work at 3:30 A.M,at which time she would put the dog out.......I caught the dog over 6 miles from its home.....with blood,and hair from a large steer the dogs had chewed the ears off of(this is the common damage/injury dogs ommit on cattle....chewed off noses as well)My point is,dogs act on adrenaline and some how seem to have a communication link that something big,and fun is going on,and they act like a pack of kids....they do something together that none would do alone.They also often maime or kill for joy,not out of hunger

Like poachers or trophy hunters

 

[Limitool]

Lim,yes,take great caution with Feral dogs.The dynamics of the animal itself and its habits/reactions are very unique....unlike coyotes,or even wolves.
The one case I mentioned caused two of my co-workers to actually quit there jobs,and one had a nervous breakdown....both were top notch trappers as well...feral dogs do not follow any,"rules",or have the same habits coyotes do,therefore containing them or patterning them is a huge challenge.This particular "main",pack was actually consuming a large nut we have here called a Buckeye....which is some what toxic,and is much like soap(Indians would mash these up and put hem in contained pools to suffocate fish...or bring them to the surface)I had never even seen wild hogs eat Buckeyes!These dogs were truly wild!I say "main",pack because as this went on,and the damage escalated,more and more dogs were getting involved.....I caught a Bulldog cross that had a collar with a name and address.Due to the fact that the owner of a dog who is responsible for damage is liable,I had the terrible job of notifying the owners as well....this particular dog was this ladies"kid",he slept with her,until she left for work at 3:30 A.M,at which time she would put the dog out.......I caught the dog over 6 miles from its home.....with blood,and hair from a large steer the dogs had chewed the ears off of(this is the common damage/injury dogs ommit on cattle....chewed off noses as well)My point is,dogs act on adrenaline and some how seem to have a communication link that something big,and fun is going on,and they act like a pack of kids....they do something together that none would do alone.They also often maime or kill for joy,not out of hunger

Kuger... just went to town on a afternoon beer run (6 mile drive). Somebody in there was talking about 2 of their dogs being killed yesterday. I asked where....? They said around Edgewood Baptist church community. That's 1 mile from me "as the crow flies". I really wish I KNEW what to do to remedy this situation. I have the weapons, ammo and am a expert marksman and accomplished hunter (deer / small game) but just stepping out into 1000's of acres of woods and finding this pack seems daunting. I won't use traps or poison because of way to many innocent victims. That's now 9 goats, 3 dogs dead and mine mauled within a month. And that's not counting what we don't know about. Not good..... Brad