My beliefs on dowsing

[ClonedSIM]

I only know of one dowsing test that is being offered to us. It will only prove if one dowser can dowse or not. The fact that NO body has taken the formal test tells me all I need to know….Art

P.S. Nice try but I am not going to break the rules

Perhaps, but if we take one person that is extremely confident in his ability, say....confident though to come to public forums and announce what they can do and to tell others how to do it, that's be enough for me. And if this person posts pictures of his so-called finds for public viewing, then certainly he is actually dowsing, right?

And there is another test open to you, one I'm sure you are conveniently forgetting about, isn't there Art?

 

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[aarthrj3811]

But isn't it odd that you're the only dowser to call that particular test null because it was "spoiled." And, if I recall, didn't the test subject perform perfectly after every skeptic had left the area? That was certainly convenient....

It is hard for me to believe that anyone would try to spoil the day for a 84 year old gentleman. You are right…The man passed the test with a 100% score after the Skeptics left the area….Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

But isn't it odd that you're the only dowser to call that particular test null because it was "spoiled." And, if I recall, didn't the test subject perform perfectly after every skeptic had left the area? That was certainly convenient....

It is hard for me to believe that anyone would try to spoil the day for a 84 year old gentleman. You are right…The man passed the test with a 100% score after the Skeptics left the area….Art

Well, I'm sure it was because the skpetics took all the VHF frequencies with them when they left.....

 

[aarthrj3811]

Well, I'm sure it was because the skpetics took all the VHF frequencies with them when they left.....

Lets put it this way….When I checked the area for signals I found only one signal and it was coming from a SUV with 3 skeptics standing behind it. The next day I checked the same area and found many signals and none of them were coming from that area…. No big deal…when you understand how these people operate….Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

Well, I'm sure it was because the skpetics took all the VHF frequencies with them when they left.....

Lets put it this way….When I checked the area for signals I found only one signal and it was coming from a SUV with 3 skeptics standing behind it. The next day I checked the same area and found many signals and none of them were coming from that area…. No big deal…when you understand how these people operate….Art

Hold on, let me get this straight.....

You found only one signal...coming from the skeptics SUV....and the next day you found many signals in the same location, none from the area of the Skeptics SUV? So, essentially, the skeptics were somehow generating a signal that blocked all of the television, radio and communication signals in that area for an extended period of time, without anyone but you noticing it?

 

[aarthrj3811]

So, essentially, the skeptics were somehow generating a signal that blocked all of the television, radio and communication signals in that area for an extended period of time, without anyone but you noticing it?

We are talking about Dowsing rods…Get with the program…..get a smaller paint brush and you MAY learn something about how the world works….Art

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Art, this may also have been caused the subtle suggestion of hand movements by yourself (subconscious even to you). Like, you previously had a suspicion someone might mess with the results, block signals, or whatever. (in much the same way as you now also suspect this). With that previously existing suspicion, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy for your hand movements.

I'm not saying you would do that consciously. It can be subconsious. In the same way that sincere people can hold a rod, be shown a silver dollar on the ground, and have them walk around it, to show them that the rods point at the silver dollar. And guess what? It will! Why, because of subconscious movement towards the thing they already believe the rods will point at!

I suspect that is all that was happening with the SUV thing, was subconscious movement to affirm something you already thought about, etc....

 

[ClonedSIM]

So, essentially, the skeptics were somehow generating a signal that blocked all of the television, radio and communication signals in that area for an extended period of time, without anyone but you noticing it?

We are talking about Dowsing rods…Get with the program…..get a smaller paint brush and you MAY learn something about how the world works….Art

Also, I think I've spotted something you forgot to cover yourself for with this explanation. If the guys in the SUV were doing something to insure that the man being tested couldn't perform his test, how did your rods manage to work?? In fact, not only did they work, but they seemed to defy all your logic and actually detect the interference, rather than not working at all.

Judging by your somewhat pallid response, you seem to indicate that they were not actually blocking the other VHF signals in the area that the man being test presumably accounted for before testing. Is this correct?

 

[aarthrj3811]

Hey Tom…If you would have checked the information on this forum you would know that I will not allow the ideomotor response to be involved with my dowsing rods. My simple little wood frame proves that ideomotor response is not responsible for the movement of my rods. So…get your facts before you tell me I am doing something wrong…Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

Hey Tom…If you would have checked the information on this forum you would know that I will not allow the ideomotor response to be involved with my dowsing rods. My simple little wood frame proves that ideomotor response is not responsible for the movement of my rods. So…get your facts before you tell me I am doing something wrong…Art

Leave off for Tom not reading a single post of yours several months ago, Art. Maybe you should post a pic again?

Or, perhaps since is the first time you've mentioned this frame in months, a refresher might be in order, since you obviously use this frame on every dowsing outing, right?

 

[aarthrj3811]

A lot of people claim that the rods close because of Ideomotor Response (movement of the wrists and hands). Make this simple frame and see if you can make the rods close when not on a signal line...Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

A lot of people claim that the rods close because of Ideomotor Response (movement of the wrists and hands). Make this simple frame and see if you can make the rods close when not on a signal line...Art

Why is one of the rod holders taller than the other?

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Art, I've only posted here for a month or so, and have not seen your diagram. I'm looking at it now, but having trouble envisioning how it works. Do you have a pix of you (or a person) holding it? Am interested in this. Thanx.

 

[aarthrj3811]

Art, I've only posted here for a month or so, and have not seen your diagram. I'm looking at it now, but having trouble envisioning how it works. Do you have a pix of you (or a person) holding it? Am interested in this. Thanx.

Hey Tom…..If you make the holder and put the rods in it you will soon discover that there is no way to make the rods close using your hands, wrists or any body movements. If you step on a coin and the rods close you will know for a fact it was not from the Ideomotor Response. I have a demonstration on you tube but I lost the address when my computer crashed….Art

 

[Tom_in_CA]

thanx Art. Very interesting. I was going to say that this would not stop the rods from swinging to the SIDE (a person could merely tilt the whole contraption), but I can see how this would stop them from CROSSING. Maybe anyhow. Have you tried dipping it forward? Tilting it backwards? Wiggling it?

Like, if any person who, let's say didn't even know what the contraption was, was handed the device, is there any physical way to get the rods to cross, based on way to tilt it? Would there be a way to incoorporate a carpenter's type bubble level, to make sure it's held absolutely level? (or to the extent it did jiggle or was incidentally tilted, that those tilts/wiggles had no bearing on the rods?)

Finally, if the rods get energy from the user (as has been said by dowsers here), how can the rods in your contraption get energy from you, if there is a wood barrier between you and the rods now? (as opposed to someone directly holding a rod). Or am I confusing "different types" of dowsing?

 

[ClonedSIM]

Art, I've only posted here for a month or so, and have not seen your diagram. I'm looking at it now, but having trouble envisioning how it works. Do you have a pix of you (or a person) holding it? Am interested in this. Thanx.

Hey Tom…..If you make the holder and put the rods in it you will soon discover that there is no way to make the rods close using your hands, wrists or any body movements. If you step on a coin and the rods close you will know for a fact it was not from the Ideomotor Response. I have a demonstration on you tube but I lost the address when my computer crashed….Art

I can definately see how the holder would disable the rods from closing due to ideomotor, (since the wrists turning in would have no effect on the rods) and in fact the dowser isn't even touching the rods, but is touching the tubes holding the rods. I do see one thing, though. If the holder were to be tipped slightly forward, then quickly back to the original position or beyond, this could cause the rods to close. That is, unless, one of the rods went outward, in which case the rods would either point the same or opposite directions.

But still, why is one of the rod holders longer than the other?

 

[ClonedSIM]

But still, why is one of the rod holders longer than the other?

So that when they do cross, one doesn't hit the other.

Ahh, that makes sense.

 

[aarthrj3811]

But still, why is one of the rod holders longer than the other?

Gee af …Why don’t you make a rod holder? Does the word clearance mean any thing to you.

Tom…The rods are placed into copper tubing….Art

 

[dowser]

Art.. I can dowse either way, but I prefer them closing in rather than opening out. Are you an inny or outy?

 

[ClonedSIM]

Art.. I can dowse either way, but I prefer them closing in rather than opening out. Are you an inny or outy?

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