More Interesting New Findings From The Beale Ciphers

[Rebel - KGC]

I've discovered the secret pattern to the ciphers. My and my partner are decoding the cipher that tells the location

FRESH EYES! Sounds interesting... CARRY ON!

 

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[45th_Johnny]

I think I will give up. If there are one hundred people on this thread, there are all set in there beliefs and will never change. I am a World Class story teller. It comes from working undercover for long terms. No badges, no gun and usually no back up. I have learned that a person would rather believe a lie then the truth. I am out of here.

Good Bye

"We are often more comfortable with treasure legends than with hard facts."

 

[masterpoe]

I think I will give up. If there are one hundred people on this thread, there are all set in there beliefs and will never change. I am a World Class story teller. It comes from working undercover for long terms. No badges, no gun and usually no back up. I have learned that a person would rather believe a lie then the truth. I am out of here.

Good Bye

"We are often more comfortable with treasure legends than with hard facts."

Two camps on these threads.
1. People who think there is true events that occurred in the 1817-1822 time frames.

The truth seekers just like to supply facts and deducted reasoning to help each other move to a better understanding of what historical document research and historical cipher study is all about.

2. The people that don't believe that there was an event in the ,1817-1822 time frames.

After that, the don't believers just move into a imagination, fictionalized fact frenzy mode to just win the argument that is just a figment of there imagination.

 

[ECS]

Looks like you reversed your definitions on the above post.
Your "truth seekers" have yet to provide actual evidence, just endless maybe, could be speculation .
The "don't believes" provide actual evidence that prove the endless maybe, could be speculation for what it is.

 

[Cryptography]

Looks like you reversed your definitions on the above post.
Your "truth seekers" have yet to provide actual evidence, just endless maybe, could be speculation .
The "don't believes" provide actual evidence that prove the endless maybe, could be speculation for what it is.

Step one, there is a book called the Beale papers. Step two, it tells of a historical events that it claims actually happen. Step three, is there any historical documentation that proves this story not true? Step four, because no historical documentation that proves the story to be fiction is available. We must conclude, the story is as was written and an historical document. It exists therefore it it's! Step five, if the hoaxes wish whining and complaining to be considered evidence in an negative stance against such historical documents, see step two!

 

[ECS]

Step one, there is a book called the Beale papers.
Step two, it tells of a historical events that it claims actually happen.
Step three, is there any historical documentation that proves this story not true?
Step four, because no historical documentation that proves the story to be fiction is available. We must conclude, the story is as was written and an historical document.
It exists therefore it it's! ...

That same faulty logic can be applied to the "WIZARD OF OZ".

" After exchanging several sand cast silver bars for jewels in St Louis, Beale's partial perilous party where swept up by a tornado that crossed the flat desolate plains. The swirling tornado carried them far from their desired destination, and their treasure laden false bottom wagon crashed down upon the house of the wretched witch of the South.
Emerging from the wreckage of the wretched witch's abode, Beale and his party, still quite shaken but not stirred, observed a glowing orb materialize in the thin air.
I don't believe we returned to Bedford county, anymore", Beale told his men."
- THE AUTHENTIC BUT NOT TRUE STATEMENTS CONCERING THE BEALE TREASURE THAT HAS NEVER BEEN FOUND

 

[masterpoe]

That same faulty logic can be applied to the "WIZARD OF OZ".

" After exchanging several sand cast silver bars for jewels in St Louis, Beale's partial perilous party where swept up by a tornado that crossed the flat desolate plains. The swirling tornado carried them far from their desired destination, and their treasure laden false bottom wagon crashed down upon the house of the wretched witch of the South.
Emerging from the wreckage of the wretched witch's abode, Beale and his party, still quite shaken but not stirred, observed a glowing orb materialize in the thin air.
I don't believe we returned to Bedford county, anymore", Beale told his men."
- THE AUTHENTIC BUT NOT TRUE STATEMENTS CONCERING THE BEALE TREASURE THAT HAS NEVER BEEN FOUND

To bad that someone did not go and talk to J. B. Ward at the time he was alive. They could ask him if the whole thing was a true event.

Oh wait, didn't the Hart's go to Ward and his son and ask him about the pamphlet?

 

[masterpoe]

To bad that someone did not go and talk to J. B. Ward at the time he was alive. They could ask him if the whole thing was a true event.

Oh wait, didn't the Hart's go to Ward and his son and ask him about the pamphlet?

So tell me what did Ward say?

 

[ECS]

So tell me what did Ward say?

According to the HART PAPERS- Presenting details of an ALLEGED burial of gold, silver, and jewels...to bring up to date all that is known and SURMISED about the subject"

Let is take a look at this "known and surmised" statements:

"About the year 1903 Clayton visited Mr Ward... he confirmed all in the pamphlet...his son added his own confirmation, but in somewhat sad and solemn tones".
That is a rather an ambiguous hearsay statement that can be interpreted to what one expects was confirmed if it was by Ward and in "solemn tones" by his son.
Then:
"Clayton was informed by Ward that ALL BUT A FEW COPIES HAD BEEN DESTROYED by fire, which broke out in the printing plant BEFORE A PLAN OF DISTRIBUTION AND SALE at 50 cents a copy could be made and carried out"
If all but a few copies were destroyed before being put on sale, why the newspaper book reviews and all the adds in the LYNCHBURG VIRGINIAN?

As with Ward's published 1885 Beale Papers, Clayton Hart , George Hart, as author, both become characters in an "alleged" treasure story with "surmised" fill in information, some garnered from the employment of a medium at a séance:
"My brother, Clayton, and I discussed the séance, not believing anything that transpired, and, still, wondering if there could be the possibility of SOME TRUTH in what the subject has blurted forth".

 

[ECS]

...
"About the year 1903 Clayton visited Mr Ward... he confirmed all in the pamphlet...

"The gentleman (Ward) whom I have selected as my agent...was IGNORANT of this episode in Mr Morriss' career, UNTIL THE MANUSCRIPT WAS PLACED IN HIS HANDS".- THE BEALE PAPERS

If Ward was "ignorant" of the Morriss' Beale story until the "unknown author" presented him with the finished manuscript, what "all in the pamphlet" could he really confirm to Clayton Hart as being true?

 

[45th_Johnny]

"Masterpoe, "shaken but not stirred," Could Ian Fleming be the writer of the Beale papers? Is that a new lead. I think Masterpoe may be the writer of the Beale Diary. He is a wordsmith.

 

[masterpoe]

According to the HART PAPERS- Presenting details of an ALLEGED burial of gold, silver, and jewels...to bring up to date all that is known and SURMISED about the subject"

Let is take a look at this "known and surmised" statements:

"About the year 1903 Clayton visited Mr Ward... he confirmed all in the pamphlet...his son added his own confirmation, but in somewhat sad and solemn tones".
That is a rather an ambiguous hearsay statement that can be interpreted to what one expects was confirmed if it was by Ward and in "solemn tones" by his son.
Then:
"Clayton was informed by Ward that ALL BUT A FEW COPIES HAD BEEN DESTROYED by fire, which broke out in the printing plant BEFORE A PLAN OF DIDTRIBUTION AND SALE at 50 cents a copy could be made and carried out"
If all but a few copies were destroyed before being put on sale, why the newspaper book reviews and all the adds in the LYNCHBURG VIRGINIAN?

As with Ward's published 1885 Beale Papers, Clayton Hart , George Hart, as author, both become characters in an "alleged" treasure story with "surmised" fill in information, some garnered from the employment of a medium at a séance:
"My brother, Clayton, and I discussed the séance, not believing anything that transpired, and, still, wondering if there could be the possibility of SOME TRUTH in what the subject has blurted forth".

Greatest news yet! Two witness confirming all in the pamphlet! It can't get better than that!

 

[45th_Johnny]

P.S. Nice twist using Thomas Jefferson,s "cipher wheel" in the Beale Diary.

 

[franklin]

You must first find if there is a cipher code then the "Thomas Jefferson Cipher Wheel" may could be used?

 

[ECS]

Greatest news yet! Two witness confirming all in the pamphlet! It can't get better than that!

What was the "all" confirmed, as Ward and his son, if they were really interviewed by Clayton Hart?
Ward's knowledge of the entire Beale story comes from the hearsay manuscript presented by this "unknown author", his son would know less.
All Ward could confirm is that he acted as copyright agent and publisher for this "unknown author", but whether the adventure treasure tale actually occurred, NO!
All these testimonial "confirmations" be it in the original Beale Papers or the Hart Papers, are all based on hearsay statements, and do not serve as evidentiary proof of anything being true in either work.

 

[bigscoop]

Greatest news yet! Two witness confirming all in the pamphlet! It can't get better than that!

How, pray-tell, do two men watching a seance, and not believing in anything that transpired, confirm all in the pamphlet...?

 

[ECS]

Its that constant "wondering if there could be the possibly of truth" that seems to beguile .

 

[masterpoe]

According to the HART PAPERS- Presenting details of an ALLEGED burial of gold, silver, and jewels...to bring up to date all that is known and SURMISED about the subject"

Let is take a look at this "known and surmised" statements:

"About the year 1903 Clayton visited Mr Ward... he confirmed all in the pamphlet...his son added his own confirmation, but in somewhat sad and solemn tones".
That is a rather an ambiguous hearsay statement that can be interpreted to what one expects was confirmed if it was by Ward and in "solemn tones" by his son.
Then:
"Clayton was informed by Ward that ALL BUT A FEW COPIES HAD BEEN DESTROYED by fire, which broke out in the printing plant BEFORE A PLAN OF DISTRIBUTION AND SALE at 50 cents a copy could be made and carried out"
If all but a few copies were destroyed before being put on sale, why the newspaper book reviews and all the adds in the LYNCHBURG VIRGINIAN?

As with Ward's published 1885 Beale Papers, Clayton Hart , George Hart, as author, both become characters in an "alleged" treasure story with "surmised" fill in information, some garnered from the employment of a medium at a séance:
"My brother, Clayton, and I discussed the séance, not believing anything that transpired, and, still, wondering if there could be the possibility of SOME TRUTH in what the subject has blurted forth".

"About the year 1903 Clayton visited Mr Ward... he confirmed all in the pamphlet...his son added his own confirmation, but in somewhat sad and solemn tones".

From the horse's mouth!

The fact that someone did go to Ward and confirm the content of the pamphlet as true is a God Slap to any Hoax believer.

We have confirmed the Beale Papers as FACT 18 years after the published pamphlet.

 

[masterpoe]

"Masterpoe, "shaken but not stirred," Could Ian Fleming be the writer of the Beale papers? Is that a new lead. I think Masterpoe may be the writer of the Beale Diary. He is a wordsmith.

The Beale Diary site is more of a game I think. I would like to know how they got the photo of Beale?

 

[masterpoe]

How, pray-tell, do two men watching a seance, and not believing in anything that transpired, confirm all in the pamphlet...?

Two people come to your house and interview you about a photo you took about 18 years ago. You and your son tell them yes the photo of a cow standing on top of a tree was not a photo shopped photo but a real event. But your son is very ashamed of your work.

Still, we have confirmed your work as true! No matter what the people who interviewed you say or do, they still have confirmed your work!