More Interesting New Findings From The Beale Ciphers

[masterpoe]

The "the no brainer" starts with being able to establish that any portion of the story is true, rather then just assuming as much and then creating all manner of wild speculation as evidence that the story is true despite the fact that several factual contrary points exist to the opposite, many of those points even the most hardiest of true believers continue to point out with their creative alternate remedies to the contrary of the very story itself. "A true no brainer."

You have now made your opinions fact? LOL

 

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[bigscoop]

Seems you have the same problem proving it not true!

No, actually, most of that has already been conclusively "proven"..........that provenance even existing in the author's own words. Just because you and others refuse to except it doesn't mean that it's not cold hard fact, it just means that you continue to refuse fact in favor of fiction so that your fantasies can continue. You see, this is the difference between researching the "elements and the construction" of the story VS blindly accepting the alleged narrated events as gospel. Each time you fellas find alternate remedy in direct conflict with author provided details you have, "in reality", made the author to be quite the story teller. This is what you fellas still don't understand while most of the even the general public does understand this fact. This is why you fellas are struggling so much to find an audience, because most of that audience is smarter then you give them credit for....

 

[bigscoop]

"A flood", you present this event as the reason why the key was never sent or why it never arrived because such a flood took place.
"Lightening"....an event that also occurred during the period as well, so why not just proclaim that the holder of the key got struck and set aflame by lightening as the reason why the key was never sent or why it never arrived? Same logic, same ridiculous type of wild speculation.

 

[Cryptography]

"A flood", you present this event as the reason why the key was never sent or why it never arrived because such a flood took place.
"Lightening"....an event that also occurred during the period as well, so why not just proclaim that the holder of the key got struck and set aflame by lightening as the reason why the key was never sent or why it never arrived? Same logic, same ridiculous type of wild speculation.

The flood of 1826 was a memorable one. At St. Louis a marker was placed to indicate the high water line. But a greater flood developed in 1844 when the Mississippi rose seven feet and seven inches above the 1826 mark.-Scharf, J. T., History of Saint Louis City and County

 

[Cryptography]

No, actually, most of that has already been conclusively "proven"..........that provenance even existing in the author's own words. Just because you and others refuse to except it doesn't mean that it's not cold hard fact, it just means that you continue to refuse fact in favor of fiction so that your fantasies can continue. You see, this is the difference between researching the "elements and the construction" of the story VS blindly accepting the alleged narrated events as gospel. Each time you fellas find alternate remedy in direct conflict with author provided details you have, "in reality", made the author to be quite the story teller. This is what you fellas still don't understand while most of the even the general public does understand this fact. This is why you fellas are struggling so much to find an audience, because most of that audience is smarter then you give them credit for....

Your opinion of what is stated in the Papers is the problem. Many things you say are just pure fantasy as your opinions most fiction with no facts at all. What happen with your Fen Treasure fantasy? Or Bigfoot search? Did I see you on the UFO forum too?

 

[Cryptography]

But not to the degree of Franklin which sat on a small bank at the rivers edge. St. Louis had safe guards in place for flooding and nothing was damaged especially the "Post Office"

He left the key with a friend in this place, not the post office. You get so much mixed up with fiction here like BS.

 

[masterpoe]

The flood of 1826 was a memorable one. At St. Louis a marker was placed to indicate the high water line. But a greater flood developed in 1844 when the Mississippi rose seven feet and seven inches above the 1826 mark.-Scharf, J. T., History of Saint Louis City and County

You saw the YouTube video?

 

[ECS]

The flood of 1826 was a memorable one. At St. Louis a marker was placed to indicate the high water line. But a greater flood developed in 1844 when the Mississippi rose seven feet and seven inches above the 1826 mark.-Scharf, J. T., History of Saint Louis City and County

Still, that in NO way proves the existence of this ALLEGED letter, just another speculative fabricated embellishment of an actual fact in an attempt to prove a fictional claim for a work of fiction.

 

[masterpoe]

Still, that in NO way proves the existence of this ALLEGED letter, just another speculative fabricated embellishment of an actual fact in an attempt to prove a fictional claim for a work of fiction.

Most works of fiction the authors like to have his name used, or at least a pen name. There is no proof ever that this pamphlet was ever a fictional book! You guys really need to invent something else. It would seem that even a newspaper article about the book from that time period did not even call it fiction. Your opinion is stale and smells like a dead damp squirt!

 

[franklin]

Most works of fiction the authors like to have his name used, or at least a pen name. There is no proof ever that this pamphlet was ever a fictional book! You guys really need to invent something else. It would seem that even a newspaper article about the book from that time period did not even call it fiction. Your opinion is stale and smells like a dead damp squirt!

Yes there is proof that the Beale Papers was fiction. If fact the author would have his name on the copyright? Not agent for the author. The reason James Beverly Ward was agent for the author is because the author was 14 years old, Walter Wirt Watts a typesetter at the Job Printing Company. Look at all the ades in the Lynchburg Newspapers at the bottom it has W.W. Watts with the address of the Job Printing Company. It does not say James Beverly Ward until later in an article in the Roanoke Newspaper. All the ades about 56 of them had at the bottome W.W. Watts a fourteen year old apprentice. One had has June 25 for 2 months, that is how long the ad was paid for. So now there you have the author a fourteen year old apprentice. That is why a grown up was needed as agent for the author ------the author was under age.

 

[masterpoe]

Yes there is proof that the Beale Papers was fiction. If fact the author would have his name on the copyright? Not agent for the author. The reason James Beverly Ward was agent for the author is because the author was 14 years old, Walter Wirt Watts a typesetter at the Job Printing Company. Look at all the ades in the Lynchburg Newspapers at the bottom it has W.W. Watts with the address of the Job Printing Company. It does not say James Beverly Ward until later in an article in the Roanoke Newspaper. All the ades about 56 of them had at the bottome W.W. Watts a fourteen year old apprentice. One had has June 25 for 2 months, that is how long the ad was paid for. So now there you have the author a fourteen year old apprentice. That is why a grown up was needed as agent for the author ------the author was under age.

Good luck with that! There is no proof of it being a fictional book.

 

[franklin]

Good luck with that! There is no proof of it being a fictional book.

Tell me have you have placed an ad in the newspapers? It has your name and how long it runs at the bottom of your ad. So if W.W. Watts' name was on the ad, he paid for it and he would be the author of the Beale Papers.

 

[bigscoop]

The flood of 1826 was a memorable one. At St. Louis a marker was placed to indicate the high water line. But a greater flood developed in 1844 when the Mississippi rose seven feet and seven inches above the 1826 mark.-Scharf, J. T., History of Saint Louis City and County

So it could have been lightening, buffalo stampede, freezing to death, etc., etc., etc. I mean, you've pretty much just opened the door in full support of all of these other equally ridiculous claims.....and that is a fact, my friend.

 

[ECS]

Most works of fiction the authors like to have his name used, or at least a pen name. There is no proof ever that this pamphlet was ever a fictional book! You guys really need to invent something else. It would seem that even a newspaper article about the book from that time period did not even call it fiction. Your opinion is stale and smells like a dead damp squirt!

That "newspaper article" to which you refer, was a book review of the Beale Papers that misspelled Ward's name as "Ware".

Always with the insults, M Poe, what's up with that?

 

[masterpoe]

Tell me have you have placed an ad in the newspapers? It has your name and how long it runs at the bottom of your ad. So if W.W. Watts' name was on the ad, he paid for it and he would be the author of the Beale Papers.View attachment 1479231

Or he was having a sale on shovels and had exclusive right to sell the book. You got into all this fifty years ago, how much money have you spent on equipment?

 

[masterpoe]

That "newspaper article" to which you refer, was a book review of the Beale Papers that misspelled Ward's name as "Ware".

Always with the insults, M Poe, what's up with that?

Just the facts!

 

[ECS]

John William Sherman also wrote a book review fir the Beale Papers that was in the LYNCHBURG VIRGINIAN, April 10, 1885/ Page 1, column 3
"A pamphlet under the title of "The Beale Papers" has just made its appearance in this city and contains WHAT ARE SAID TO BE AUTHENTIC STATEMENTS in regard to an immense treasure buried in Bedford county..."
Take notice of "What are said to be authentic statements"- that statement does not lend itself as a affirmation of the story being true.
...and that's just the facts...

 

[franklin]

John William Sherman also wrote a book review fir the Beale Papers that was in the LYNCHBURG VIRGINIAN, April 10, 1865/ Page 1, column 3
"A pamphlet under the title of "The Beale Papers" has just made its appearance in this city and contains WHAT ARE SAID TO BE AUTHENTIC STATEMENTS in regard to an immense treasure buried in Bedford county..."
Take notice of "What are said to be authentic statements"- that statement does not lend itself as a affirmation of the story being true.
...and that's just the facts...

You mean 1885 don't you?

 

[ECS]

Yes I did.

 

[masterpoe]

John William Sherman also wrote a book review fir the Beale Papers that was in the LYNCHBURG VIRGINIAN, April 10, 1885/ Page 1, column 3
"A pamphlet under the title of "The Beale Papers" has just made its appearance in this city and contains WHAT ARE SAID TO BE AUTHENTIC STATEMENTS in regard to an immense treasure buried in Bedford county..."
Take notice of "What are said to be authentic statements"- that statement does not lend itself as a affirmation of the story being true.
...and that's just the facts...

Unabridged version

TREASURE BURIED IN BEDFORD

A pamphlet under the title of "The Beale Papers" has just made its appearance in this city and contains what are said to be authentic statements in regard to an immense treasure buried in Bedford county, near Bufords, by several miners, in 1828. This information has been in the possession of a gentleman in this city for many years, but it has never before been made public. That gentleman has devoted much time to working on the key which locates the pit where the treasure can be found, and has succeeded in getting points which will lead the reader to the place where the immense treasure is buried. He has been compelled to give the papers up and now all who purchase one of the books will have an opportunity to look for big boxes of gold and silver now concealed. One of the papers states that the treasure consists of 2921 pounds of gold, 5102 pounds of silver and jewelry valued at $18,000. Mr. J. B. Ward, of the county, will sell the books at fifty cents each, to all who wish them. Buy a book, get a pick and shovel, strike for Bufords, dig, grow rich or starve.

April 15, 1885