More Interesting New Findings From The Beale Ciphers

[franklin]

masterpoe and the professor? Keep hunting to your heart's content. The Hart Brother's sheets of paper just may be the original but with no proof carry on with your "ton pots' instead of "iron pots." which we all know them to be?

 

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[ECS]

The key is not the DOI, but Beale just borrowed from it to make his key. Then we now know there are no errors in the Beale key as most state. Now we have a letter that would have been sent if not for a flood. These things above all are were we seem to be at this time!

Is a flood mentioned in the Beale Papers?
How do "we" know that a flood prevented the "key" letter from being sent, and that there was actually a "key" letter and not just another literary device to further the story?
Where is the "provenance" for your claim?

 

[masterpoe]

Is a flood mentioned in the Beale Papers?
How do "we" know that a flood prevented the "key" letter from being sent, and that there was actually a "key" letter and not just another literary device to further the story?
Where is the "provenance" for your claim?

If you look at the NSA site Beale link they make reference to that flood. My understanding is that a whole town was moved because of it. Franklin was the town if my memory serves me correctly.

 

[franklin]

If you look at the NSA site Beale link they make reference to that flood. My understanding is that a whole town was moved because of it. Franklin was the town if my memory serves me correctly.

Sorry but Franklin is up the Missouri River from St. Louis by about two hundred miles. I have not measured the distance but Franklin is definitely not St. Louis, Mo. where TJB left the "key" with a friend.

 

[masterpoe]

Is a flood mentioned in the Beale Papers?
How do "we" know that a flood prevented the "key" letter from being sent, and that there was actually a "key" letter and not just another literary device to further the story?
Where is the "provenance" for your claim?

The flooding from the rivers was 1823-1830! NSA is Providing Provenance. Look it up paper does not do well in flooding. Like in Japan!

 

[franklin]

The flooding from the rivers was 1823-1830! NSA is Providing Provenance. Look it up paper does not do well in flooding. Like in Japan!

Yes the town does not do well during the flooding but this is two hundred miles from where TJB is said to have left the "KEY"

 

[masterpoe]

Sorry but Franklin is up the Missouri River from St. Louis by about two hundred miles. I have not measured the distance but Franklin is definitely not St. Louis, Mo. where TJB left the "key" with a friend.

Yes that is the correct town, but the flooding did occur in St Louis!

 

[ECS]

If you look at the NSA site Beale link they make reference to that flood. My understanding is that a whole town was moved because of it. Franklin was the town if my memory serves me correctly.

That does not confirm the existence of the "key" letter, that is just speculative making "facts" fit to to conform to a theory.

 

[franklin]

Yes that is the correct town, but the flooding did occur in St Louis!

But not to the degree of Franklin which sat on a small bank at the rivers edge. St. Louis had safe guards in place for flooding and nothing was damaged especially the "Post Office"

 

[masterpoe]

Yes that is the correct town, but the flooding did occur in St Louis!

Is there not two rivers that come together there?

 

[franklin]

Is there not two rivers that come together there?

Yes, but your NSA report is about the flooding in Franklin, Mo., and not in St. Louis? Do you have any provenace about the flooding in St. Louis during that time period that was mentioned in the NSA Papers?

 

[masterpoe]

Yes, but your NSA report is about the flooding in Franklin, Mo., and not in St. Louis? Do you have any provenace about the flooding in St. Louis during that time period that was mentioned in the NSA Papers?

Look it up I don't give out my information you need to keep reading. Remembering the St Louis flooding last May 2nd this year, it floods!

 

[masterpoe]

Look it up I don't give out my information you need to keep reading. Remembering the St Louis flooding last May 2nd this year, it floods!

If flooding happened 200 miles up River and there are two rivers that meet in St Louis what would be a logical conclusion?

 

[ECS]

That does not confirm the existence of the "key" letter, that is just speculative making "facts" fit to to conform to a theory.

Just because there was a flood, does NOT prove that the alleged "key" letter ever existed, much less got destroyed in this flood.
Many currently accepted as "fact" about the Beale story began as unfounded assumptions like this, and continue to be repeated as "fact".

 

[bigscoop]

Just because there was a flood, does NOT prove that the alleged "key" letter ever existed, much less got destroyed in this flood.
Many currently accepted as "fact" about the Beale story began as unfounded assumptions like this, and continue to be repeated as "fact".

They just keep contradicting their own applied logic....just keep creating more evidence that their honest author wasn't telling the truth, etc....too funny!

 

[masterpoe]

Just because there was a flood, does NOT prove that the alleged "key" letter ever existed, much less got destroyed in this flood.
Many currently accepted as "fact" about the Beale story began as unfounded assumptions like this, and continue to be repeated as "fact".

If in fact.the letter did make it to Morriss we would no be posting about the Beale anything. The flooding occured in St Louis at a timeline from 1823-1831 what do think would happen to a one Page letter? We know there was a key! We know it was to show up in 1832! We know it did not make it there! We know that flooding and other events could have destroyed the letter! How you Yanks say, a no brainier!

 

[ECS]

What point you continually keep missing -there existed NO evidence that anything in the Beale Papers narrative story ever actually happened outside of the pages of the pamphlet.
All you, and others have done, including the Harts, Innis, Ellis , is to create "additional" information based only on belief and speculation that fill in "the rest of the story", when there was and is NO rest of the story.

 

[bigscoop]

The "the no brainer" starts with being able to establish that any portion of the story is true, rather then just assuming as much and then creating all manner of wild speculation as evidence that the story is true despite the fact that several factual contrary points exist to the opposite, many of those points even the most hardiest of true believers continue to point out with their creative alternate remedies to the contrary of the very story itself. "A true no brainer."

 

[masterpoe]

Yes, but your NSA report is about the flooding in Franklin, Mo., and not in St. Louis? Do you have any provenace about the flooding in St. Louis during that time period that was mentioned in the NSA Papers?

All I will say is there is a diary that has a lot of good information in it.

 

[masterpoe]

The "the no brainer" starts with being able to establish that any portion of the story is true, rather then just assuming as much and then creating all manner of wild speculation as evidence that the story is true despite the fact that several factual contrary points exist to the opposite, many of those points even the most hardiest of true believers continue to point out with their creative alternate remedies to the contrary of the very story itself. "A true no brainer."

Seems you have the same problem proving it not true!