Misc data and adventures of a Tayopa treasure hunter

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Real of Tayopa said:
I really don't know strictly speaking I would be extremely careful, as for your carrying, don't in Mexico."'The narcos, problematico, the large group? careful, there are always wolves hiding among the sheep
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No problem there, Jefe, am staying north of the border, just close at times. New Mexico gun laws are very lenient. Regardless, I am always vigilant, and will be more so after your reply. I've been mistaken for a militant several times already :laughing7:, I don't anticipate problems but just needed reassurance that I was not simply being paranoid. Gracias, mi Jefe. :notworthy: :coffee2::coffee2:
 

Don Jose, where did you post the map that Not Peralta showed you? The one that shows a heart with horns as one of the almacenes. I was wondering if it has a date? Gracias.

Homar
 

I DON'T REMEMBER, BUT i WILL LOOK IT UP FOR YOU. tHAT MAP HAS DATA THAT IS TRUE, IT IS NOT A FAKE IN THE SENSE THAT IT IS NOT IMAGINARY.IT SHOWS THAT MANY OF THE DORE BARS CAME FROM THE TAYOPA COMPLEX, CONTRIBUTED MANY OF THE DORE 'BARS AT VICTORIA PEAK AND THOSE OF THE CABALLO MT DEPOSITORIES. THE MAP COULD BE CONSIDERED TRUE
 

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Hi corosone, mmi buddy. go to











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Corozone, mi companero go to Doc Noss-Victoria Peak-Caballo mt, page 20, there it is. have fun.
 

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Gracias Mi General,

It shows two dates, 1646 to 1861. Seems to me that since 1646 they were hauling riches out under the radar at least until 1861? From what I have found, the PSM's were buried in April of 1717. So it is possible that Church treasure was taken to the Superstitions, and later taken out.:dontknow:

Homar
 

Ditlihi said:
No problem there, Jefe, am staying north of the border, just close at times. New Mexico gun laws are very lenient. Regardless, I am always vigilant, and will be more so after your reply. I've been mistaken for a militant several times already :laughing7:, I don't anticipate problems but just needed reassurance that I was not simply being paranoid. Gracias, mi Jefe. :notworthy: :coffee2::coffee2:
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I do not know how much dysfunctional south of Border these days. For me maybe mexico seems a lost safer than the place I grew up in.

Bruce Alexander an old mate of mine and few business owners got together take action when the police force under funded and poorly operated. So a group of business people made their own volunteer police force.Here is some clips on my old stomping ground Rabual . Before independence it was rough but still relatively save these days it has its moments



Here is clip showing an insight into how rough life is in New Guinea. However in among the poverty. 80% live below the poverty line. In among the rascal and bandits. There are people doing extraordinary thing in such trying conditions.



I tell if you live and work in new guinea you live and work anywhere on the globe.

It was certainly a tough training ground and character building. When the trio went to South America it seemed like a piece of cake. Or perhaps we was so accustomed to dysfunctional world about them it was the norm.

One thing your habits to others seem curious especially when moving back to more civilized places in the world. When I hear people in western countries complaining they have it tough...There was part of me wanting grab them by the stuff of their neck and show them how touch life is....

But in among all the poverty and squalor there are some people who shine.....

Kanacki
 

I should empathize Lae ( pothole city ) and Port Moresby are two worst places in PNG. although Rabaul after the eruption has never been the same. But these days it has its moments. Of all Madang is by far the MOST safest part of PNG. Most expats live in Madang.

When Australian prospectors in 1930 first pushed into the mountains of New Guinea three intrepid brothers Micheal, Danial James Lae discovered the valleys in highlands occupied by over one million people. The world knew nothing about. They had never seen white men and thought the white men was ghosts. The brothers encountered tribal natives that was in a constant tribal war with their neighbors who was completely unaware the outside word existed. While the Australia government was shocked to learn the interior of the then unexplored heart of New Guinea was so populated.



It was one of great unexplored places on earth. Even today there are places white men have not fully explored. Growing up there it seemed normal.

However for those willing to push themselves beyond their own comfort zones. There is no place like it.

And some times living life on the edge can have rewards.

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Kanacki
 

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Kanacki,

From your first video........

" .....the little white Jeep is the only vehicle the inhabitants will ever see." So sad; and a reflection of a corrupt government.
Don,..
PS. A very interesting (eye-opening) video; thanks.
 

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Kanacki,

From your first video........

" .....the little white Jeep is the only vehicle the inhabitants will ever see." So sad; and a reflection of a corrupt government.
Don,..
PS. A very interesting (eye-opening) video; thanks.
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Hello Don

My pleasure sharing these links.

Many years ago when my mother and father who was a district police commissioner in charge of sorting out tribal conflicts. He and many others begged the Australian Government to post pone Papa new guinea independence. If fell on death ears as the Australia government saw the country as liability. Reality the country needed to evolve more to become a fully functioning independent country. As soon as independence came the rot came in because tribal bonds are more stronger than any concept of being country. You have 800 plus tribal groups with very little in common culturally or language. So in effect government became a cartel of most dominate tribal group with nepotism and corruption.

There are some tribes today do not even understand they are a country as they have no concept of it. Only tribal laws. 90% of GDP is either from mining and rubber plantations. The government can barely afford to pay its bureaucracy.

There are very few economic trickle down wealth from mining operations in the country. Except for those employed. Roads hospital infrastructure does as you can virtually does not exist. there are 4900 police officers to police 6 million people. Half the time the police officers do not get paid. 90% of the population is living subsistence agriculture. Tribal wars over land and women are common.

We used to as mining exploration teams. use to employ locals for clearing jungle where ever the geologists wanted us to drill. I coordinated a team of native fixers to negotiate access and employ locals.

One such place high in the mountains we hired 20 men to work for us on one drilling project. Well for the 20 picked there was another 100-200 unhappy and jealous locals. In the course of the work I noticed different workers turning up to our site each morning? Out of 20 I personally picked there was only 6 of them left. The 14 others was strangers?

It turns out the others that I had not picked was so jealous and enraged that they had not given a job. Had murdered or chased off the ones that I had picked. There was murderous blood bath going on in the hills around us while we obliviously cleared the drilling site.

It was devastating to realize just by picking out a few for a job I had inadvertently signed their death warrant. After that I changed tact on how I recruited. locals we had from then on revolving workforce from day to day. Simple decision in our white mans world might seem trivial but in the native world can be devastating.

Kanacki
 

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my apologies Don Jose for deviation .

Getting back to your comments. I suspect the fortune you alluded is one and the same offered to Juan Vicente de Güemes Padilla Horcasitas y Aguayo, 2nd Count of Revillagigedo. There after referred to as the Revillagigedo Fund.

In Texas there was story of mineral wealth being exported through Texas coast. Perhaps along the route you mentioned?

There is a interesting newspaper article you might find interesting. I have try to remember where to find it.

Kanacki
 

hANACKI, tHERE IS NOTHING OFF TOPIC HERE, FROM nEo














Kanaci, here is nothing off topic here from Rabaul,Old China, to Peru.
 

Hello Don Jose esteemed friend.

Okay thanks for the thumbs up. I recall your story about Mary kai kai? Well in New Guinea there is several areas and tribes still prone to the odd snack on human flesh. I mentioned before In a remote valley of eastern Papua they as sign of respect eat dead relatives. In west Papua they hunt and kill people they believe are witches.

Here is clip on the cannibals of West Papa.



Kanacki
 

Hello Don Jose

It might be interesting to consult the following book.

Diario curioso ; y, Cuaderno de las cosas memorables en México durante el gobierno de Revillagigedo (1789-1794)

There are 4 more locations that might

1. Archivo General de Indias
Contributing Institution: UC Berkeley::Bancroft Library
Collection Number: Foreign Archives
Description:
126 search terms found:
...que comprueban las partidas de oro, Plata, y reales de que se deve hacer cargo...
...que comprueban las partidas de oro, Plata, y reales de que se deve hacer cargo...
...1754, Nov. 28. Mexico. Conde de Revillagigedo to the viceroy. (No. 12)....

Carl Sauer Found Baptismal records in regards to Tayopa. His notes below

2. Sauer (Carl Ortwin) Research Notebooks, 1930-1955 1930-1955
Contributing Institution: UC Berkeley::Bancroft Library
Collection Number: BANC MSS 99/380 m

Description: Research notebooks of American geographer Carl Orwin Sauer, consisting of copies of documents from a range of Mexican and Spanish archives (dating from circa 1525 to 1802) relating to Sauer's research interests in Mexico and Latin America.
14 search terms found:

...AGI v. 119:16 BANC MSS 99/380 m Revillagigedo’s Instructions on the compilation...

...provenance v. 116:4 Rescate de plata en Durango. 1793-1795 Unknown provenance..
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...Fernando de la Concha, to viceroy Revillagigedo on rivalries among Comanches,...


3. Mexican Pamphlets, 1600s-1800s 1600s-1800s
Contributing Institution: California State Library::Sutro Library
Collection Number: Mexican 02
Description: This collection consists of information related to the history of Mexican culture, religion, and politics.
33 search terms found:

...esta de oro, de plata con oro, oro plata pura ?. Mexico, impresas por Ignacio...
...las ouentaa .ae1 "ftllor liquido ae la. plata del Dieamo, y? del in"trinaeco, y-...
...H.orcasi tas y ? o. Conde de Revillagigedo, ??. Virey ??? que -fue de esta ?...


4. Documents for the history of Mexico circa 1524-1855
Contributing Institution: UC Berkeley::Bancroft Library
Collection Number: BANC MSS M-A 1
Description: A great miscellany, from the time of Hernán Cortés through the exploration of the Pacific Coast and the occupation of Texas, the northern provinces, California, to the Gadsden Purchase. From the Archivo General de la Nación, Mexico (AGN).

13 search terms found:

...4 0495 1790, Jan. 26. Váldes to Revillagigedo. Source: AGN, Historia, Tomo 65. 4...
...1789, Oct. Selected items concerning Revillagigedo. (Record prints) Source: AGN,...
...Martín de Sessí al Conde de Revillagigedo. (Record prints) Source: AGN,...

Kanacki
 

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Don Kanaci. So how do you like long mary kai, kai ? None of these apply to the Tayopa complex, but are excellent, gracias mi companero de las fortunes perdidos. What say we serve up dit quarted and well done in order to kill all of the bacteria, also to improve the flavor /
 

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Real of Tayopa said:
Don Kanaci. So how do you like long mary kai, kai ? None of these apply to the Tayopa complex, but are excellent, gracias mi companero de las fortunes perdidos. What say we serve up dit quarted and well done in order to kill all of the bacteria, also to improve the flavor /
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Hey, is that a gold bar over there?! -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> :2barsgold:






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Its easy to see superstitious natives seeing a person with human version of mad cow disease would equate that to witchcraft. Then they would blame some one else for being involved in sorcery and kill them. So there is vicious cycle. Because when those inflicted with mad cow disease it passes onto family member who eat the infected body out of respect.

Kanacki
 

Well, I HAVE been called a Witch in the not so distant past, :laughing7: , so maybe I'm safe. ;D

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it is of no importance now,


kanaci IDéd yer imperfection nicely, n, sigh, just imagine "roast rump ".Incidentally, is that W or B ? According to Don Kanaci, it is open season on witches
 

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