Misc data and adventures of a Tayopa treasure hunter

[PROSPECTORMIKEL]

Kanacki, That was an amazing piece of research.
Thank you for sharing all of that.

If I could do that kind of research, I might have found my way to the end of trail that I and five different partners (four of whom have passed away leaving my present partner, Weekender and our land owners), have searched for and researched.
Fifteen years on one site has revealed many monuments and signs and symbols and two empty vaults and one ,yet vault unexplored.
There is an end to it.

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[PROSPECTORMIKEL]

Good evening Don Jose. I have a question for you. For many years there has been debate on the Treasure Signs/Symbols forum about stone monuments found in North America and used to locate cache sites. I would like to know if you have ever seen any large stone hearts or stone owls that might have been used in such away. I'm interested in finding out if these monuments have been found in Mexico and if they extend as far south as Mexico City. Thank you sir.

MDOG, you’re not the only one that is curious about that.

I hear both ends of that information everywhere I look.

I know that you have seen the pictures from my and Weekender’s site...

If they don’t appear south of the border, I am at a loss to explain what I am chasing!

Here is my broken heart [emoji174]...
The raven’s breast and the top of the wing, which is turned around.

I wish we could have seen it one more time.


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[Shortfinger]

Hello Don Jose and JB you hard task masters.:-)

As for shares it was in part collectively encouraged by Ken Rehder as he was lead geologist and we was just faithful donkeys that drilled holes. He knew the size of the ore body.

For my tree house home. Many people thought I was crazy when first started out even locals who many of them I am eternally grateful for their help.It had humble beginnings at first just a shack on the side of a steep hill in the forest. Over 30 years it grew up between the trees as the family grew. Now its like a small village. There are 12 bedrooms all with their own bathrooms., Well to describe it is collection of Polynesian style opened walled rooms (bures ) and pavilions connected by walk ways and stairs built on the 45 degree slope of a rain forest trees that was built over a concrete Japanese bunker underneath.

Gee that is mouthful :-)

In the Japanese bunker I have a diesel generator with exhaust pumped up via a exhaust pipe and battery storage. My battery storage I got from a 1960's Oberon class submarine that was being scrapped so I was able to buy the battery units. So when my battery power gets low the automatic generator kicks in. My Diesel is gravity fed from storage tanks higher up in the bunker. They are left over WW2 Japanese fuel storage tanks.

I have water diverted via a small series of pipes fed along the Forest floor with small filtration plant then feeds into two 10000 gal rain water tanks. Excess water over flows through my ponds in which Lilly pads help cleans. My koi carp feed on mosquito lave so controls mosquito numbers. Excess waters then used to flush toilets. My sewerage is gravity fed down hill into decomposing tanks creating a recyclable biomass feeding the rain Forrest further down the hill.

I have a waterfall feature via excess water piped from stream higher up in the mountain ponds creating artificial waterfall into a series of 3 ponds. Sitting above that is the Japanese hexagon tea house and small massage pavilion. linked by a small wooden foot bridges. the tea house is access via the kitchen.

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The kitchen dinning room and out pavilion and lounge room and bar are linked together on one level

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Having 8 kids the key was giving them space also lounge can open out next to open covered pavilion.

Below that is swimming pool deck which two kidney shaped pools connected to a small channel between them with a dinning pavilion out in front. My bedroom is on this level.

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Lower down is the kids and guest bedrooms.

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Out side of my bar there is an inclinator my private little railway with 4 stops down the hill. So if I feel lazy instead of using all the stairs we just hop in that scoot down to next level on the slope.

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So there you have it a series of rooms and pavilions built on poles with thatched roofs built over the top of an old WW2 bunker. Nestle so well you can barely see it and even when you do it looks like a small native huts among the trees.

Kanacki

What a beautiful place! No wonder you have settled down a little, and are letting your kids go awandering! Thanks for sharing these with us.

JB

 

[KANACKI]

Kanacki, That was an amazing piece of research.
Thank you for sharing all of that.

If I could do that kind of research, I might have found my way to the end of trail that I and five different partners (four of whom have passed away leaving my present partner, Weekender and our land owners), have searched for and researched.
Fifteen years on one site has revealed many monuments and signs and symbols and two empty vaults and one ,yet vault unexplored.
There is an end to it.

#/;0{>~

Hello Pm

Looking for a hidden vault underground if its with in 35 feet?

There is an excellent diamond tipped back pack core drill system that works a treat. Its bore hole is wide enough to feed a fiber optic pipe inspection camera down the bore hole and into the void. You can film or take still photos up load it to your computer the camera come with built in lights enough to light up most chambers with 30 -50 meter cable, So in effect the cable once through the 35 drill bore hold can travel another 20 metres in the cavity if need be.

The beauty about the portable back pack core drill and fibre optic pipe camera. It is much cheaper option than digging a tunnel. Also it less environmental intrusive and more appealing to land holders.





While GPR has its uses its not the be all and end all.

Kanacki

 

[KANACKI]

What a beautiful place! No wonder you have settled down a little, and are letting your kids go awandering! Thanks for sharing these with us.

JB

Hello JB

my pleasure in showing you my place of exile.

Is 8 kids plus spouses and 9 grand kids these days. I have my own tribe so speak. Many are arriving for Christmas. It appears I will be off line soon as one of my Sons just contacted me and his islander trading vessel has engine problems. So hes eager to pick his old boys brains.

Kanacki

 

[Shortfinger]

Hello JB

my pleasure in showing you my place of exile.

Is 8 kids plus spouses and 9 grand kids these days. I have my own tribe so speak. Many are arriving for Christmas. It appears I will be off line soon as one of my Sons just contacted me and his islander trading vessel has engine problems. So hes eager to pick his old boys brains.

Kanacki

Hurry back when you can! Merry Christmas to you and your family! And to all on TNet as well.

JB

 

[PROSPECTORMIKEL]

Hello Pm

Looking for a hidden vault underground if its with in 35 feet?

There is an excellent diamond tipped back pack core drill system that works a treat. Its bore hole is wide enough to feed a fiber optic pipe inspection camera down the bore hole and into the void. You can film or take still photos up load it to your computer the camera come with built in lights enough to light up most chambers with 30 -50 meter cable, So in effect the cable once through the 35 drill bore hold can travel another 20 metres in the cavity if need be.

The beauty about the portable back pack core drill and fibre optic pipe camera. It is much cheaper option than digging a tunnel. Also it less environmental intrusive and more appealing to land holders.

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While GPR has its uses its not the be all and end all.

Kanacki

Be sure to have plenty of water [emoji371]!
Much less expensive than diamonds!!

I didn’t notice the clamps that holds the shaft above ground while retracting the shaft and bit.

There is also a model that can be mounted to a solid rock or concrete surface that operates like a drill press.
One man can operate it and keep the shaft and bit, wet and cool.

More to carry, but much easier to operate.

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[mdog]

MDOG, you’re not the only one that is curious about that.

I hear both ends of that information everywhere I look.

I know that you have seen the pictures from my and Weekender’s site...

If they don’t appear south of the border, I am at a loss to explain what I am chasing!

Here is my broken heart [emoji174]...
The raven’s breast and the top of the wing, which is turned around.

I wish we could have seen it one more time.
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Is that a hole in the head? I don't remember seeing this one. I'll post on your thread.

 

[Simon1]

Hello Simon

I do not know this is of interest the following article.

Written by Article By: Mohd. Sherman b. Sauffi (Maritime Archaeology Museum) below.

The legend of the lost ship on the Portuguese fleet called Flor De La Mar (Flower Of The Seas) had been an agenda of story telling, speculations and assumptions for many years since her lost in December 1511. Lots of theories and speculations about her, that make her 'A billion dollar baby', some said that she lost or vanished on the unfaithful event, some said that she have been taken over and all the treasures are stolen, some says that she had been destroyed by rivals ships and most provocative some says that the ship was not lost and know whereabouts the ship but somehow until now, well 500 years later, it can never be found elsewhere and remains a mysteries.

Enjoy the silence? We are actually got away from our leagues ladies and gentlemen. Before we jump into conclusions about anything, there's a good start we look at the early document of 'Portuguese Document On Malacca 1509 until 1511', collected, translated and annotated by the late M.J Pintado with National Archives of Malaysia in 1993. It is a 'Long Term Project' which was started the ideas since 1974. Credits goes to all the personnel who work on the project especially Dato' Zakiah Hanum Nor, Ex-Director General National Archive Malaysia.

The written historiography collections with importance which had information about Malacca, 'Letters from Alfonso de Albuquerque' in 7 volumes and the six Chroniclers - Joao de Barros, Diogo do Couto, Fernao Lopes de Castanheda, Gaspar Correia, Damiao de Goes and Manuel de Faria e Sousa. The document itself had information about what really happen to the ship Flor de La Mar.

On the Document 2 (1511), Portuguese Republic Ministry of Colonies Asia Joao de Barros, Chapter II, 'What Alfonso went through along the route that he took fom Cochin to the island of Sumatra, where he was visited by the King of Pedir and Pasai and what else he did up to the time he arrived in Malacca', Document no. 13 noted ' …together with other jewellery taken as spoils from Malacca and put on aboard the galleon Flor de La Mar, as we shall further on'.

The unfortunate event that bring Flor de La Mar to bottom of the sea stated on the Book Seven Of The Second Decade of Asia by Joao de Barros, 'The Achievements of the Potuguese in the exploration and conquests in the lands and seas of the east, after Alfonso de Albuquerque's departure from Malacca to his entry into the red sea' Document no. 224, ' Above all they had to brave the fury of the storms at sea and the danger of the sandbanks near the coasts….', Document no.225, 'The truth of this we are going to see in the notable example of Alfonso de Albuquerque, who left Malacca with his galleons filled with trophies. Sailed as far as the Kingdom of Aru at the end of the region called Timia Point in Sumatra. There at night his galleon was dashed against a hidden reef and broke up into two parts with the poop in one section and the prow in the other, because the ship was old and the seas heavy'.

Alfonso indeed inside the ship and his men unable to get aid from other ships that sails along with them. By the following morning, Pero de Alpoem, a captain from another ship called 'Trindade', gave aid for the shipwrecked men in a ship's boat and save them from tragic fate. During the period of danger, Alfonso had many precious things in his ship but the only 'precious things' he saved was a little girl, the daughter of one of his slaves, while standing on a raft he held the child in his arms — the only things that he saved from among the rich spoils he had obtain from Malacca which were in his galleon. The great loss of Alfonso which is refers to his honor on the ship were the two lions hollowed iron, fine piece of craftsmanship and artistry, which the emperor of China had sent as gift to the Sultan of Malacca.

Another interesting note on the event was the mutiny by the Javanese workers, on a Junk in the company of Jorges Nunes de Leao, the junk did not steer along the right course and entered the port of Aru, where the Javanese and the natives robbed it. Alfonso did go the wreck site with seeking help of Captain Jorge Bothello by using a ship Carravel type and enquire the natives who dived for pearls to dive the wreck site. However, the natives near the coastal area of Pasai might have robbed most of the cargo.

There were more than 10 ships responsible on the Malacca invasion campaign by the Portuguese in 1511, to name few, Flor de La Mar, Trindade, Anunciada, Santo Antonio, Santa Cruz, Bretao, Taforeia, Enxobregas, Cambaia, Santa Caterina, Joia, Santiago and Sao Joao. The Portuguese were the first pioneering Europeans to established empire in Southeast Asia by the invasion of Malacca , August 1511 througout 130 years before the Dutch did. Alfonso de Alburquerque died in 1515, where he left behind the legacy of navigations and established Portuguese maritime control from the Persian Gulf to Malacca, to the great enrichment of the monarchy.

However, some questionable speculations about The Flor de La Mar cargoes: where did it really go? Where all the treasures of Malacca Sultanate that had been robbed? If the ship were broke into two parts, why nowadays people claim that they knew and found the wreck?

If we calculate for 500 years including the changing of tides, currents and based on the unstable geographical of Sumatera, does the ship still there? Just for comparison, the Fort Santiago at Malacca A' Famosa fortress if we look at the picture closely we sees that the sea is near the fort but 500 years later then compare the picture with the new land of Malacca, it is about 5 kilometers out from the cultural sites. Now look at the Sumatera coastal area and think again. More research need to be taken and document to be analyzed, considerations for regions political issues, economics and diplomacy. We need to take a deeper look to this point so that the cultural heritage of Malaysia, Indonesia and Portuguese will be preserved with proper research and a little bit of sincerity in doing it.


Phil-Sherman William @ Mohd. Sherman bin Sauffi
Maritime Archaeological Museum
Department Of Museums and Antiquities
Jalan Damansara
50566 Kuala Lumpur
MALAYSIA
Tel: 603 2282 6255 ext 228
Fax: 603 2284 9103
H/p: 6013 895 0198


Kanacki

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Kanacki, thanks for this post. I have seen parts of it before, not sure if it was from the same source or a combination of others. Yes, the sea level certainly has changed. Many look for where it was some 500+ years ago without taking in account the current sea level. Some have tried to search based on the reports of where a cannon was heard being fired at regular intervals which indicated a distress signal from the Flor De Mar. The cultural importance of the artifacts, (should they be found), would be staggering. Again, thank you for the information.

 

[KANACKI]

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Kanacki, thanks for this post. I have seen parts of it before, not sure if it was from the same source or a combination of others. Yes, the sea level certainly has changed. Many look for where it was some 500+ years ago without taking in account the current sea level. Some have tried to search based on the reports of where a cannon was heard being fired at regular intervals which indicated a distress signal from the Flor De Mar. The cultural importance of the artifacts, (should they be found), would be staggering. Again, thank you for the information.

Hello Simon

If your able to read Portuguese you will find in Portuguese archives the original documents of the events your without the screwed academic biases that some times happens. Some times they conveniently leave out details in their translation. And give their abridged interpretation of the document.

Kanacki

 

[KANACKI]

Be sure to have plenty of water [emoji371]!
Much less expensive than diamonds!!

I didn’t notice the clamps that holds the shaft above ground while retracting the shaft and bit.

There is also a model that can be mounted to a solid rock or concrete surface that operates like a drill press.
One man can operate it and keep the shaft and bit, wet and cool.

More to carry, but much easier to operate.

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PM The model you mentioned like drill press unit is it portable enough to be carried in back pack?

Kanacki

 

[KANACKI]

Kanacki, That was an amazing piece of research.
Thank you for sharing all of that.

If I could do that kind of research, I might have found my way to the end of trail that I and five different partners (four of whom have passed away leaving my present partner, Weekender and our land owners), have searched for and researched.
Fifteen years on one site has revealed many monuments and signs and symbols and two empty vaults and one ,yet vault unexplored.
There is an end to it.

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Pm my apologies in advance it my questions seem probing. Your book you was writing did you ever get round to publishing. It was some research about treasure in Ozarks?

I did not realize the history of many searches in regards to lost treasures in Ozarks region. Anyway it seems you got an interesting story to tell my friend also?

Kanacki

 

[PROSPECTORMIKEL]

Kanacki, no reason to apologize!
All of the research that you have done leaves me completely awe struck.

My research starts and ends very abruptly, as there is very little information available for us to read. No body tells any old stories about it.

It has been as though we have been the only people to really search for it.

The one outstanding thing that we have seen from the site, has been that many of our signs and symbols have been damaged after they have been posted here on Tnet!

At least one of my “ silent readers”, appears to be a sentinel!

It breaks my heart each time we go back, to research the incredible works of art that are scattered over eight to ten square miles, that they have been damaged.

Many of my former partners spoke of feeling “UNWELCOME “ when we are there. Even to the point of being watched and sometimes through a riffle scope.

I have outlived all of my, boots on the ground, partners except one. And I survived a heatstroke, that my doctor told me that I was very fortunate that my wife found me in time and that I knew what to do, to stop the damage in time.

Most of the the research that I have done has been from being inspired by the brilliant researchers, here on Tnet!

Yours has been amongst the very best!

Much of my knowledge about the tools ⚒ of the trade comes from being a tool repair technician for a company that owns several million dollars in tools that most folks have never seen. Including me.

Our trade craftsmen kept me very busy for about a decade, learning how to bring life back to many tools that I had only seen once before going out into the field.

That kind of research is much easier than finding information about, a history that no one seems to know about.

There are almost no records or folktales about our site.

The destruction of the monuments behind us is heartbreaking, as they are irreplaceable and from a bygone group that has done many great wonders!

It is a focal point, filled with many wonderful and complicated carved in stone, signs and symbols.

I have been blessed, to walk through trails and passages that few others have ever seen.

Weekender has been more talented than all the others combined. His instincts have taken me to places of great wonder. He takes photos that he doesn’t see what draws him in to focus on lost and unnoticed carvings and monuments, only to tell me that there is something that seemed important within the frame of the photo.

We have spent hours on site ( as I am not healthy enough to get to, without his help) and I make GPS points for our map, and spend months studying the photos that we make, to figure out what we have seen and walked into.

The book that chronicles our research and follow up on , is done and ready to publish!
However, because I am disabled and survive on Social Security (Disabity) and Medicare for my health, I am trapped by government employees that cannot give me a simple answer to the question of the definition of work by writing down a journal of our experiences, in hopes that I can share our story.

One says that it is of no risk of my only income, and the next person sends me documents that are contra-indicative to the information that they told me.
This has become my final and ongoing battleground.

I am sure that that I have the attention of one publisher that seeks out the type of story that I have written. But I stand at the door, waiting for answers that assure me of financial success or being cast into certain poverty!

I still have family that I need to provide for.

I also have a story to tell, that burns within my heart to tell to the world of treasure hunters and those that may become treasure hunters !

The Ozark mountains are filled with tales of silver, in great abundance, but my story has been held in secrecy for far too long, and must be told!!

Knowledge, unshared is a crime to the mind and a sin to the spirit, and a torment to the heart.

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[KANACKI]

Well the time has come my friends.

And to Don Jose my friend I salute you. You still have much to tell to be forever treasured in hearts of many.

The winds of fate have awakened me from slumber and are parting our journey to different paths. So I bid to you " Au revoir" as the fair winds will take me to that rascally pirate hiding out in the south seas.

Christmas is nearly upon us I am surrounded by children and grand children I am starting lose count. the next week to Christmas with be a cyclone of activity. Today some are paddling in the lagoon, some are in-pool and some canoeing up the river they pop in pop out running amok.

So Christmas is a time of song and dance eating drinking merry tuning out to all the bad in world taking time out to enjoy the beauty life brings.

In the new year I have things to complete, having fun and victories to be won. This year been good with some unexpected victories in some projects frustrations in others all part of the journey my friends.

May your journey and victories are sweet in your own journey through the coming year. And our fast approaching Christmas bring you light and happiness, the greatest treasure of them all my friends.

Kanacki

 

[Real of Tayopa]

Kanaici, and al the others that have kept their faith in me, tayopa is similar to the dead horse mine in rabul (?) IThe complex was formed when a volcanic -intrusive ( I am not a geologist was just a assayer and mill Foreman so puit up with me if I use imcorrect words. Tayopa was fmrmed whem a avolcanic intrusion entered the Basalt mt range between Sonora and Chihuahua, there it caused numerous veins in every directions, mainly N/S. by uplifting the zone It comprises an area over 6 miles wide. It hosts a mineral zone of all precious metals


Pictures tomorrow.

 

[KANACKI]

Kanaici, and al the others that have kept hteir faith in me, tayopa is similar to the dead hrse mine in rabul (?) IThe complex was formed when a volcanic -intrusive ( I am not a geologist was just a assayer and mill Foreman so puit up with me if I use imcorrect words. Tayopa was fmrmed whem a avolcanic intrusion entered the Basalt mt range between and chihuahua, there it caused numerous veins in every directions, mainly N/S. by uplifting the zone It comprises an area over 6 miles wide. It hosts a mineral zone of all precious metals


Pictures tomorrow.

Hello Don Jose from what you have told me it seems like Tayopa is a Epithermal Deposit.

Tayopa has many of the characteristics of a low sulphidization epithermal-vein type gold-silver deposit. The district underwent a complex hydrothermal history related to Cretaceous plutonic activity, later higher-level plutonic events, and finally a mid-Tertiary vein system which shares characteristics in common with both a deep epithermal environment and a high-level mesothermal system. Alteration can be seen in the older metamorphic and intrusive units mostly as silicification, hematization and argillic alteration. The Tertiary volcanic rocks in the district are clearly post-mineral and are unaltered.

Epithermal refers to mineral deposits that form in association with hot waters. The deposits form within 1 km of the surface and water temperatures are about 50-200 degrees C. Shallow bodies of magma supply heat. The rising hot water carries dissolved gold and other elements. The water boils about 300 m below the surface and hydrogen sulfide gas escapes. This causes the gold to precipitate. The boiling zone is the target for mineral exploration. Veins commonly host the economic minerals.

Lihir Island is an epithermal deposit was officially "discovered" in 1982 by Ken Rehder, after its first discovery of gold on the island was in 1913 by a German missionary burying a Dead Horse found fine grains of gold.. The island is made of three volcanoes including Luise caldera, where the deposit formed. The rocks are trachybasalt lava flows, breccia, and tuffs.The mineralized rocks are highly altered. Most of the ore is in breccia thought to have been a boiling zone for rising fluids. The deposit formed between 350,000 and 100,000 years ago. It is estimated that the deposit contains 21.3 million ounces proven and probably another 42 million ounces as a geological resource. Most of the gold is fine particles in pyrite (FeS) grains. Hot springs and fumaroles are still active on the caldera floor.

While Tayopa is much older deposit than Lihir. Tayopa has lifted due to subduction.

Kanacki

 

[PROSPECTORMIKEL]

Kanacki, Thank you for all of your technical information, that even an old fool like me can follow.. for a little while!

Fair winds and following seas.
And enjoy your family blessings for Christmas.

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[Loke]

@Kanacki,
Vaya con Dios!

 

[Real of Tayopa]

Notice the paralell faulting on both sides of the mtn range that separates Son Chih 9l0View attachment 1661302 N top S, son on bottom left, Chih on left..

 

[Real of Tayopa]

this shows one of the intrusian rings, now heenly eroded