Misc data and adventures of a Tayopa treasure hunter

[Simon1]

Doc, gentlemen, the reason so many buildings collapse during an earthquake is that they are not tied in,together, nor is the roof. Typical adobe construction..

Te walls on my home are 3 - 4 ft thick but are built as a free standing structer, I had to tie them in with verticl concrete pilars and renforcing on all four corners.and also tie the roof with replacement concrete beamc tied in at the ends.

Still I shudder at the thought of what would happen to my poor computer

I try to guarantee the safety of all my data, but in a rather time consuming way. I have three different computers. My main computer is then backed up each night and the data is also saved onto the other two. This way, rather tornado or flood, chances of at least one computer surviving intact is pretty high. With thousands of pictures that are not replaceable, I rather be safe than sorry. Maybe I am to cautious, or just overly sentimental.

 

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[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Simon, I had already lost most of my data and pictures dus to floods prior to the computer era. You are correct in your activities.

 

[tintin_treasure]

Regarding the recent 7.8 earthquake, we survived the quake well, although there was some deaths and damage around us, the worst hit was north of us.
Traveling there shortly after to help out, it was amazing to see the damage to building, roads and landslides……..many structures destroyed, collapsed and the gov number of dead is way low IMHO (and others who know here)……..think 2 to 3,000…..
While nature has buried some of it's treasures, it has also uncovered other treasures……treasures just waiting to be recovered.

Now would be a good time to buy some ocean front property it seems also……many structures remained intact, and to build a seismic resistant beach house would not be difficult or expensive.
Many now are trying to figure out why so many collapsed, while others not……..one answer may be using beach sand (unwashed)……the contaminants and salt weaker the cement…….sadly, building insurance for earthquakes is almost nonexistent here…….
Vaya con Dios

Nice to see you doc,,,we were worried because of the recent news...
TT

 

[tintin_treasure]

Isn't there anyone with a yarn for the weekend? Hello IUP,?....anyway check this amazing treasure discovery in Spain from yesterday news

Treasure trove of Roman coins found beneath a Spanish park: 3rd century AD haul of silver-coated currency weighs a staggering 1,300lbs | Daily Mail Online

TT

 

[Interested Party in UK]

Well TT, today we'll take a trip to Central America- Panama - cos there has been some spectacular finds there.

In a province of Panama, on its western coast, is a river that changed course towards the end of the 19th century. When it did so, there was suddenly a rash of wonderful golden artefacts coming onto the market (note not 'black' market as you could sell such items openly) and they were of a design and quality previously not seen around those parts. There was an investigation and what had happened is that, as the river had changed its course, it had washed away some graves of important figures from a society long-forgotten and the grave goods had been unearthed.

The workmanship was so spectacular that the Panamanian government displayed some of the objects when they opened the Canal amid a waiting audience from across the globe.

Anyway, things died down as quickly as they had started and all was again normal.

In the 1930s, the river changed course again at an intriguing spot and sure enough, the gold came tumbling out again. Some of the local children were found to be playing marbles with solid gold balls that had been part of elaborate burial rituals. The new set of artefacts came to the attention of a prominent museum in America and they carried out an archeological dig there. They uncovered a burial place of important warriors and/or chieftains that had lived around 1,000 - 1,500 years ago. As this culture had been gone for half a millennia by the time of the Spanish conquest, they had not had their necropolis defiled by the conquistadors or settlers.

The site was/is not difficult to reach and is based on private property.

Apparently it remains untouched after the museum excavations 80-odd-years ago....

IP

 

[Interested Party in UK]

Check the following images:

http://www.sciences-fictions-histoires.com/medias/images/panama-riviere-elcano.jpg
http://www.ancientlosttreasures.com/_Images/_2011/20111223_0014.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2670/3793043674_79f430e478.jpg

IP

 

[tintin_treasure]

Well TT, today we'll take a trip to Central America- Panama - cos there has been some spectacular finds there.

In a province of Panama, on its western coast, is a river that changed course towards the end of the 19th century. When it did so, there was suddenly a rash of wonderful golden artefacts coming onto the market (note not 'black' market as you could sell such items openly) and they were of a design and quality previously not seen around those parts. There was an investigation and what had happened is that, as the river had changed its course, it had washed away some graves of important figures from a society long-forgotten and the grave goods had been unearthed.

The workmanship was so spectacular that the Panamanian government displayed some of the objects when they opened the Canal amid a waiting audience from across the globe.

Anyway, things died down as quickly as they had started and all was again normal.

In the 1930s, the river changed course again at an intriguing spot and sure enough, the gold came tumbling out again. Some of the local children were found to be playing marbles with solid gold balls that had been part of elaborate burial rituals. The new set of artefacts came to the attention of a prominent museum in America and they carried out an archeological dig there. They uncovered a burial place of important warriors and/or chieftains that had lived around 1,000 - 1,500 years ago. As this culture had been gone for half a millennia by the time of the Spanish conquest, they had not had their necropolis defiled by the conquistadors or settlers.

The site was/is not difficult to reach and is based on private property.

Apparently it remains untouched after the museum excavations 80-odd-years ago....

IP

Thanks IP ...that is a nice piece of yarn from the famous panama!
I have a fascination with rivers in general and if you think about it , investigating the walls of the banks of old rivers is not difficult like deep waters...and those walls may keep secrets...
TT

 

[Interested Party in UK]

No problem TT.

That river in particular has many secrets yet....

It is easily accessible, not too deep and an organised crew could make a mark there.

There was a Panamanian diplomat in the 1990s who was caught in a sting moving hundreds and hundreds of golden artefacts from South and Central America to the States and Europe. He was apprehended by Interpol. I believe I discussed it with Crow or Kanacki and they said they'd heard of him and his shenanigans. Panama is one of those country's which is quite literally a 'crossroad' for various things and has made itself available to all sorts for dealings as evidenced by the recent release of financial documents there.

I may have mentioned this before, but the artefacts from Panama and Costa Rica have rivalled anything from Peru and Colombia but they have been equally looted and pillaged over the years. They also used a higher graded gold rather than the mixed tumbago usually found in South American artefacts.

Would be wonderful to check out various things in those countries out as well, but time, resources and the focus needed is being used else where at this moment in time...

IP

 

[Interested Party in UK]

Here's a question for you TT. Imagine in a parallel universe we arranged a trip to a country with a less than salubrious record in dealing with antiquities. We greased the right palms, got the necessary pieces of paper with the necessary stamps and organised a dig or two. After many years of sweat, tears, hope, frustration, aims and aspirations, you finally uncover something of value.

Would you:

Tell the local authorities, clearly knowing they'll confiscate on spurious grounds and it'll end up in some official's private collection?

Would you try and get it to a western museum who'll probably report you for 'smuggling'?

Would you try and sell it at the earliest opportunity?

Or none of the above?

I'll understand if you'd rather keep the answer private.

This is the sort of situation one can so easily find themselves in, even today....

IP

 

[cwp]

Doc, gentlemen, the reason so many buildings collapse during an earthquake is that they are not tied in,together, nor is the roof. Typical adobe construction..

The walls on my home are 3 - 4 ft thick but are built as a free standing structure, I had to tie them in with verticl concrete pilars and renforcing on all four corners.and also tie the roof with replacement concrete beamc tied in at the ends.

Still I shudder at the thought of what would happen to my poor computer

All the more reason to get your stories in print, Jefe. The shortest distance between two points is a straight line...Not a circle.

Once safely in the hands of the reader...preservation, ie; posterity, is guaranteed.

Andale! Andale!

 

[tintin_treasure]

No problem TT.

That river in particular has many secrets yet....

It is easily accessible, not too deep and an organised crew could make a mark there.

There was a Panamanian diplomat in the 1990s who was caught in a sting moving hundreds and hundreds of golden artefacts from South and Central America to the States and Europe. He was apprehended by Interpol. I believe I discussed it with Crow or Kanacki and they said they'd heard of him and his shenanigans. Panama is one of those country's which is quite literally a 'crossroad' for various things and has made itself available to all sorts for dealings as evidenced by the recent release of financial documents there.

I may have mentioned this before, but the artefacts from Panama and Costa Rica have rivalled anything from Peru and Colombia but they have been equally looted and pillaged over the years. They also used a higher graded gold rather than the mixed tumbago usually found in South American artefacts.

Would be wonderful to check out various things in those countries out as well, but time, resources and the focus needed is being used else where at this moment in time...

IP

Yeah IPU..Panama had also a fair share of the pirate's yarn I guess....would be interesting to visit it one day...
TT

 

[tintin_treasure]

Here's a question for you TT. Imagine in a parallel universe we arranged a trip to a country with a less than salubrious record in dealing with antiquities. We greased the right palms, got the necessary pieces of paper with the necessary stamps and organised a dig or two. After many years of sweat, tears, hope, frustration, aims and aspirations, you finally uncover something of value.

Would you:

Tell the local authorities, clearly knowing they'll confiscate on spurious grounds and it'll end up in some official's private collection?

Would you try and get it to a western museum who'll probably report you for 'smuggling'?

Would you try and sell it at the earliest opportunity?

Or none of the above?

I'll understand if you'd rather keep the answer private.

This is the sort of situation one can so easily find themselves in, even today....

IP

IPU...thanks for these points,,actually it is good to discuss such things hypothetically as sooner or later we might face them for real...
--for the first question,,,my strategy would be to assess beforehand the track record of that country and rate it from 1-10 just as investors rate countries on different parameters...in some countries where they have good reward package for finders and there has been a good record of actual rewards,I could go on to tell about the find...otherwise i devise another strategy..
---smuggling it out to another country to another museum I guess is dangerous ,,,
---locally selling on black market,though less dangerous than taking it out to another country,it could also be problematic if you are caught...

Though I can not say exactly now what I would do in such situations if it happens...my overall strategy in problematic countries would be not to disclose the find , but to just leave it hidden and concealed and just document the find with gps and map infos, photos, videos including myself in it to make it convincing(so that people dont think it is photo shopped) .Then I leave the country and contact the foriegn office and other relevant gov ministry of that country of my find and that I am giving them the chance to come up with an attractive offer in order to have the location info( i show them the pics and videos)...to put pressure I would inform some medias as well...if they give in, then I would go on to disclose it having the necessary legal signing and other measures etc in place ....if they would not be willing to entertain my story ,I would approach an international corporate company or entity that work on such kind of finds and try to sell to them the info and walk away from the whole thing..that international company would deal with the government and the government officials can not easily mess up with that big company as they can drag them to international courts...so this is my 'soft treasure hunting' that I mentioned before...But if my rating of that country is good I would disclose the find and benefit from the law they have for finders...
does this make sense?,,,
but mind you some finds are easy to apply my approach like treasure finds in caves which u can handle alone without other people...but if u are digging, then definitely there are local people helping u and things would not be easy to keep hidden...also even if u want to take it out of the country or sell it ,those locals will talk of the find and create problems on u...hence buried treasure that requires a lot of digging involving locals has complications...hidden treasure caches like in secret caves is far better...that is why as a one man band i probably want to specialize on cave and tunnel based hidden treasures ...like forgotten pirate caches and other concealed treasures in forgotten tunnels ,dungeons , old structures etc that do not need much digging

TT

 

[Interested Party in UK]

Makes perfect sense as to what you're saying TT.

Thing is, be careful about what information you disclose as sly governments, officials, locals and fellow treasure-hunters will use every single method - both above board and underhand - to try and pinpoint your location. To be honest, it is easier than it may seem. Electronic footprints, visual sitings, financial records etc., make it fairly easy to be tracked and you'd have to use the utmost caution and be very careful with those around. That is where working by one's self comes in useful. But even in the most unlikeliest of spots, a tiny change or newcomer are very quickly noticed.

Never simply judge each and everyone you encounter by your own standards or indeed morals. It is never a question of 'right' or 'wrong' - merely of being safe and protecting your property. For many, the actual problems begin once they uncover any valuables...

IP

 

[tintin_treasure]

Makes perfect sense as to what you're saying TT.

Thing is, be careful about what information you disclose as sly governments, officials, locals and fellow treasure-hunters will use every single method - both above board and underhand - to try and pinpoint your location. To be honest, it is easier than it may seem. Electronic footprints, visual sitings, financial records etc., make it fairly easy to be tracked and you'd have to use the utmost caution and be very careful with those around. That is where working by one's self comes in useful. But even in the most unlikeliest of spots, a tiny change or newcomer are very quickly noticed.

Never simply judge each and everyone you encounter by your own standards or indeed morals. It is never a question of 'right' or 'wrong' - merely of being safe and protecting your property. For many, the actual problems begin once they uncover any valuables...

IP

thanks IPU....yeah,,,u need to be careful in what u disclose in pics and videos etc....the other option in corrupt places where they put a good law but dont keep it is to play the robin hood......for instance the law may say 40pct of finds can go to finders 60 pct to the country,,,then lets say u found a cave full of gold say 100 bars of gold...u know if u tell the authorities they will take it and disqualify u...so another option would be to enforce the law they have (30/60)by yourself ..meaning u take the gold out secretly and 40 bars are yours but the rest 60 bars belong to the country..i mean to the country not those corrupt elites..hence u begin going around in poor neighborhoods in nights randomly knocking at poor people doors and when the open u give them one bar of gold and disappear before they see your hooded face,,the in one night or two u drop 60 bars of gold to 60 poor families ,,then u can sell or smuggle out ur 40 bars carefully ...the result is that u enforced the law and walked out clean...how about that?
TT

 

[Interested Party in UK]

Now we've just got to try and find a small matter of 100 gold bars and put it to the test!!



Don't let others tell you sanctimoniously what to do, if your gut instinct in that environment at that moment tells you it's the thing to do, do it!!

Your own feelings and thought processes will do all they can to keep you safe and out of harms way.

IP

 

[tintin_treasure]

Now we've just got to try and find a small matter of 100 gold bars and put it to the test!!



Don't let others tell you sanctimoniously what to do, if your gut instinct in that environment at that moment tells you it's the thing to do, do it!!

Your own feelings and thought processes will do all they can to keep you safe and out of harms way.

IP

the robin hood option would give u the added affection from the population as a legendary figure that helped the poor..
it is clear troubles begin when the find comes ..managing treasure finds is quite problematic,,but no matter what one does, those corrupt government elites should not get a hand on the find easily..
have u been travelling lately?
TT

 

[Interested Party in UK]

Just been to Europe setting up a few contacts and I shall be travelling to India and South America later this year. Went to India last year as well but that was a costly damp squib.

It is only when you get a long-haul flight, see the seas, lands, mountains, cities and deserts, that you come to realise how big the earth actually is. So easy to feel overwhelmed.

At this moment in time, even though I am researching and documenting as much as I can, the main aim and objective is to facilitate some interests in gold...

IP

 

[tintin_treasure]

Just been to Europe setting up a few contacts and I shall be travelling to India and South America later this year. Went to India last year as well but that was a costly damp squib.

It is only when you get a long-haul flight, see the seas, lands, mountains, cities and deserts, that you come to realise how big the earth actually is. So easy to feel overwhelmed.

At this moment in time, even though I am researching and documenting as much as I can, the main aim and objective is to facilitate some interests in gold...

IP

That is wonderful IUP,,,majoring in your gold trading as ur core current activity while documenting TH yarns at home in UK but also investigating new yarns in far lands during ur core business travels would make ur travel ''2 birds with one stone''....i recall once i was in one country rural area for one professional work and used the opportunity to meet one old man to ask him about a certain geography of the region in a historical setting...
hence use ur travels to the full capacity...
good luck bro!

p.s. where would the trio be at this time?....following a pirate yarn in the pacific island? or they found an old forgotten document in Istanbul and having it translated to strike a buried ottoman treasure? or are they hot in the trail of Ghenhis khan grave?
TT

 

[Interested Party in UK]

Thank you very much TT.

I believe the Trio have been working on increasing their net value by a few $X,XXX,XXX dollars and now have substantial holdings and interests in many regions and organisations. Apparently because of their now high-profile status, it is difficult for the chaps to join in here, which is a big loss for us but perfectly understandable on their part.

IP

 

[tintin_treasure]

Thank you very much TT.

I believe the Trio have been working on increasing their net value by a few $X,XXX,XXX dollars and now have substantial holdings and interests in many regions and organisations. Apparently because of their now high-profile status, it is difficult for the chaps to join in here, which is a big loss for us but perfectly understandable on their part.

IP

good to hear the trio are progressing....dont be sure that they dont come here again ...maybe not in thier former nicks...,,,but we will miss them anyway
where is Amy these days?I couldnt do the speed checking she suggested on the napoleon general ( De Segur) book i bought ("la campagne de Russie")...
maybe i could send her the bookby post if she promises to disclose here any relevant TH info she finds in it
TT