Misc data and adventures of a Tayopa treasure hunter

[Interested Party in UK]

Maybe one day an amazing discovery will be announced not seen since the discovery of king TUT will one day be revealed.....

Until then we all have to wait....

Crow

Hardluck made a very valid and astute point. He said that some believed "The Treasure of Lima" did not exist because a writer had tried to look into it but came across nothing that could substantiate it. What the writer didn't realise was the fact that the particular archives in question had been removed/sold due to Peru's financial position at the time and subsequent authors had been peddling the same line without researching adequately...

Now I know why you chaps class him as a walking encyclopedia on things treasure-related...


IPUK

 

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[Crow]

Hello TT

Regarding the treasure story in the Salvage Islands, put in "Cruise of the Alerte E.F. Knight" and a PDF version should come up where you can read the book online.


IPUK

Hello I also refer you to the thoroughly wicked duo, to read Hardlucks post on Trinidad island in south Atlantic. Kanacki and hardluck is best to talk about that one.

Crow

 

[Interested Party in UK]

Hello I also refer you to the thoroughly wicked duo, to read Hardlucks post on Trinidad island in south Atlantic. Kanacki and hardluck is best to talk about that one.

Crow

See Crow, I believe there is a reoccurring theme regarding the Trinidad Island, Cocos, the Pisco/Tahiti etc., I believe many are grounded in real fact but simply have been corrupted (sometimes unwittingly sometimes on purpose) in the retelling.

A lot of the basic premise is sound and logical but then fanciful details are added for whatever reason.


IPUK

 

[Interested Party in UK]

Maybe one day an amazing discovery will be announced not seen since the discovery of king TUT will one day be revealed.....

Until then we all have to wait....

Crow

If you're saying its a substantial one, why then, it must be impressive


IPUK

 

[Crow]

Hello Crow

If I recall correctly, you posted some pictures of the mine as well in another thread somewhere.

Couldn't agree with you more, some folks would find it incredulous that such a valuable document would simply be "laying there for 3 years" but the evidence is there for all. I wonder how many such papers still might be gathering dust in some dusty archive?


IPUK

Hardluck had better picture some where of the place. That the drilling rig drill blast holes. When we was there the pit just about did not exist. We were drill holes into the volcano to pump seawater into ground to cool the rock. the mine site village and mining came is supplies by geothermal electricity. Once we had done our job after 12 months we was out of there. No wet bar on the island.



Crow

 

[Interested Party in UK]

There is no hiding place in such a working environment or slacking when the stuff's got to be shovelled. You probably learn very early on whether one has the drive, energy, focus and enthusiasm for such hard work. Of course, I bet, because the work requires a team-effort and can be classed as hazardous, you don't want any unsuitable folk taking up space.

Just a question for you; why refer to "Hardluck" as such, the fella is probably very "Goodluck" through his endeavours and efforts?


IPUK

 

[Crow]

There is no hiding place in such a working environment or slacking when the stuff's got to be shovelled. You probably learn very early on whether one has the drive, energy, focus and enthusiasm for such hard work. Of course, I bet, because the work requires a team-effort and can be classed as hazardous, you don't want any unsuitable folk taking up space.

Just a question for you; why refer to "Hardluck" as such, the fella is probably very "Goodluck" through his endeavours and efforts?


IPUK

Hardluck had luck but it came at a very high price....Hence the name as a reminder.

Crow

 

[Interested Party in UK]

Sobering thought...

IPUK

 

[Crow]

Sobering thought...

IPUK

You know people picture treasure hunters as swashbuckling Indiana Jones type men hacking through jungles. And for many its just that the vain belief that they are going to stumble on treasure just like the movies....the reality is very few people realize the real search although through thousand journal, book, documents maps, newspaper magazine newspaper article, private letters to uncover the key information.

Most of the research is pouring hours on end through documents some on faint hope there is reference your looking for. Some times the page your after is the one is missing. Wading between countless archives across the world not counting doing searches tracing descendants of the people involved. While boots on ground is important good research can put you a hell of lot closer to the target than just blindly tramping through jungle.

Crow

 

[Interested Party in UK]

You know people picture treasure hunters as swashbuckling Indiana Jones type men hacking through jungles. And for many its just that the vain belief that they are going to stumble on treasure just like the movies....the reality is very few people realize the real search although through thousand journal, book, documents maps, newspaper magazine newspaper article, private letters to uncover the key information.

Most of the research is pouring hours on end through documents some on faint hope there is reference your looking for. Some times the page your after is the one is missing. Wading between countless archives across the world not counting doing searches tracing descendants of the people involved. While boots on ground is important good research can put you a hell of lot closer to the target than just blindly tramping through jungle.

Crow

And that is the true reality of the situation. Before salivating at the possible end product, acknowledge what it will take to get there.

You must mentally have to be super-tough to go through such reams and reams of documents, sometimes without the reward.

One can almost develop a complex thinking "what have I missed?", "did I misinterpret a clue?" or even "did I not notice it even when it was plainly obvious?"

The worst feeling that must arise is when after the whole research period has been completed methodically, you go and discover some lucky so and so has already been and gone....

Ever had that happen, Crow?


IPUK

 

[Crow]

And that is the true reality of the situation. Before salivating at the possible end product, acknowledge what it will take to get there.

You must mentally have to be super-tough to go through such reams and reams of documents, sometimes without the reward.

One can almost develop a complex thinking "what have I missed?", "did I misinterpret a clue?" or even "did I not notice it even when it was plainly obvious?"

The worst feeling that must arise is when after the whole research period has been completed methodically, you go and discover some lucky so and so has already been and gone....

Ever had that happen, Crow?


IPUK

Sadly yes some there are others out the researching the same thing and some times they leave a little note just remind you they beat you to it. No names of course but they know you know When You are on top of your game you just know when some ones researching the same things. Some times we search 10-12 hours a day.....nearly every day.

There are people who think there treasure hunters and there are others....and we will just leave it at that.

Most of ones you read in the newspapers or reality TV would not know a real treasure hunter backside ass. they are for most part adventurers. But There are a few that tread very comfortable as unknowns hidden behind smoke and mirrors. Very rarely to they take the time to post, for most part they have no real need as the real search is in the archives not on such forums. Yet you can meet interesting people via forums and for those in the know coded messages can past on to those in the know....In plain speak words behind words.As I type this there some one out there reading this wondering why I am typing this.....

Some times people let their judgement get the better of them and thus some times cannot see the big picture....Some times we can give too much away for all too little....

See a message within a message.

Its late and time for old Crow to roost.

Crow

 

[Interested Party in UK]

Makes the work of super-sleuths seem amateurish.

What an area of work to be in.

I suppose this is where some of the excitement and mystery comes from.

No problem and thank you again for another extremely interesting and enjoyable convo.


Kindest regards

IPUK

 

[Hitndahed]

You know people picture treasure hunters as swashbuckling Indiana Jones type men hacking through jungles. And for many its just that the vain belief that they are going to stumble on treasure just like the movies....the reality is very few people realize the real search although through thousand journal, book, documents maps, newspaper magazine newspaper article, private letters to uncover the key information.

Most of the research is pouring hours on end through documents some on faint hope there is reference your looking for. Some times the page your after is the one is missing. Wading between countless archives across the world not counting doing searches tracing descendants of the people involved. While boots on ground is important good research can put you a hell of lot closer to the target than just blindly tramping through jungle.

Crow

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My "friend" CROW ,
You could not be more correct in that quoted statement.
It does INDEED take years, sometimes decades to find the "right" "treasure", investigate every bit of supporting documentation and read countless lines of sometimes totally unrelated information.
All to get to that one tidbit of information that jogs the brain-pan just enough to have an "A-HA" moment.
Then you get more motivated as there is some actual fact or supporting data found that sends you somewhere, in search of something "you" consider "treasure".
Some do have the "luck" and stumble upon "treasure". (like the cans of gold coins recently found)
But the majority of "finds" are found only through hard work and the self-belief that there IS "something" to whatever it is that "you" are searching for.

Damn, all that hurt my head this early,,hehheh

Hit

EDIT: I would CHERISH the opportunity to "work" with any of the "OG's" here on ANY project. (OG = Original Gangster) lmao

 

[tintin_treasure]

Makes the work of super-sleuths seem amateurish.

What an area of work to be in.

I suppose this is where some of the excitement and mystery comes from.

No problem and thank you again for another extremely interesting and enjoyable convo.


Kindest regards

IPUK

Crow and IPUK,,thanks for the wonderful exchanges you made.
Crow,,very insightful and what amazing adventures you had from Imperialist multi national company intrigue to treasure researches across the globe.Your advises are most welcome and the gold mine yarn is quiet enjoyable as usual.

IPUK,,I checked thunting posts on savage island from Hardluck and will check the PDF you mentioned .Thanks a lot.
Wish you goodluck with the ventures you began,,Besides traditional lost or hidden teasure searches I was also contemplating on the possibility of looking for potential rare paintings as well as rare books in the open flea markets and second hand antique shops of obscure towns and villages of Europe.You never know what you might find and there seems to be a high demand for the arts these days.But this can be done as a side show of any business travel or treasure research travel one may have,,it can be entertained as a minor side activity sort of hobby but it requires some awareness and basic understanding of the entirely intrigue filled arena of the art treasure world(Of course I am not referring to stolen arts but forgotten and misplaced ones).Some obscure towns of Europe might hold some lost painting without knowing it.

TT

 

[Interested Party in UK]

Hey TT

Your welcome.

Good angle with the book and painting idea. No doubt you heard about that chap who passed away in Munich at an old age who was given the tag as "Hitler's Art Dealer" after that huge haul was discovered in his apartment where he had been living in obscurity. A chap I know collects little-known books with complex titles relating to sciences and specialist areas from second-hand and charity shops. He then sells these on online sites for vast profits to students who might be studying any particular subject and are trying to save a few pounds by buying a used copy. Not earth shattering amounts of money but enough to provide a steady income for a very modest outlay.

One a trip some years ago with my family to Switzerland, I took the opportunity to visit a small shop selling all sorts of curios around the world. The owner got chatting to me and revealed that his father in the 1950s and 60s travelled the world and would 'exchange' items with indigenous populations and receive valuable artefacts whilst handing out various trivial items. If I recall correctly he did this in Central America, Asia and I think Africa. The honest shop owner admitted that his father benefitted from this financially in a big way.

IPUK

 

[tintin_treasure]

Hey TT

Your welcome.

Good angle with the book and painting idea. No doubt you heard about that chap who passed away in Munich at an old age who was given the tag as "Hitler's Art Dealer" after that huge haul was discovered in his apartment where he had been living in obscurity. A chap I know collects little-known books with complex titles relating to sciences and specialist areas from second-hand and charity shops. He then sells these on online sites for vast profits to students who might be studying any particular subject and are trying to save a few pounds by buying a used copy. Not earth shattering amounts of money but enough to provide a steady income for a very modest outlay.

One a trip some years ago with my family to Switzerland, I took the opportunity to visit a small shop selling all sorts of curios around the world. The owner got chatting to me and revealed that his father in the 1950s and 60s travelled the world and would 'exchange' items with indigenous populations and receive valuable artefacts whilst handing out various trivial items. If I recall correctly he did this in Central America, Asia and I think Africa. The honest shop owner admitted that his father benefitted from this financially in a big way.

IPUK

Thanks IPUK,,,yes,there are many stories Like that..Even without compromising one's integrity one may land in a good score with the right moment.
If you buy a strange looking painting which you may have a hunch it could be something for very small amount of euros in flea market,,and it later proves to be a genuine work of millions worth,,,then you can have it auctioned or sell it privately and return to that same poor family and give them substantial good amount.You are not obliged to do so legally,.But conscience might dictate it.You just bought by hunch not knowing its value but once you reap something you can go back and reward the original owners.It could be one angle worth considering if one travels a lot.

TT

 

[Interested Party in UK]

Good on you TT, sign of a man with true morals, ethics and integrity!

An elderly lady with a love of cats passed away here in England this year. Her relatives had her old house and some of her possessions valued. Unfortunately it turned out to be nothing excessive and the valuer was exiting the property when he froze in his tracks. The family members seeing this enquired if all was ok?
He pointed towards a 'door-stopper' shaped like a black cat. They replied that the deceased owner had purchased it from a market many years ago for a few pence - 50 or 60 years ago I think they said - turns out it was an ancient Egyptian relic that was worth mega money...

 

[tintin_treasure]

Good on you TT, sign of a man with true morals, ethics and integrity!

An elderly lady with a love of cats passed away here in England this year. Her relatives had her old house and some of her possessions valued. Unfortunately it turned out to be nothing excessive and the valuer was exiting the property when he froze in his tracks. The family members seeing this enquired if all was ok?
He pointed towards a 'door-stopper' shaped like a black cat. They replied that the deceased owner had purchased it from a market many years ago for a few pence - 50 or 60 years ago I think they said - turns out it was an ancient Egyptian relic that was worth mega money...

Thanks IPUK...that is quiet a story..imagine may be she lived a poor life while she had something valuable all along...yes you never know what you can come across these obscure flea markets,,,I stressed obscure European towns because they are rarely visited increasing the chance of finding something ...

TT

 

[Interested Party in UK]

Its very ironic indeed.

I shall tell you a little story that is from the other end of the scale and you may know of it.

There was a chap watching TV in Japan one night in the 1990s. A Hollywood movie came on about a briefcase full of cash in a small town with intrigue, double-dealing, murder and mayhem. All the central characters in the film die and the bag full of cash is left secreted in a remote location. This fella got it into his head it was a real film and bought a ticket to the States. His body was discovered on a mountainside in a remote location that had been used in the movie.

True story that. I believe the film starred Willem Defoe as a sheriff.


IPUK

 

[sdcfia]

If the Following pictures do not get ya moving nothing will. This is pictures of what the largest buried treasure in history looked like the vast hidden loot of Nazis in Merker Salt mine. A vast cavern of treasure.


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That was the official Nazi treasure found after the war. What is not account for is treasure many Nazi squirreled away in secret when they realized the war was over for Germany, their own private looted stashes. It appears the top and lower echelons of Nazi regime all looted treasure in private. Many indeed must due to various reason still lay hidden where they were buried before end of WW2.

Crow

That's Patton's 3rd Army in those photos. There's some suspicion that a great deal of Nazi gold was high-graded by US military/political rogues following the war. One of my pet theories is that, following all the loud Doc Noss hullabaloo, the Nazi loot was transferred into Victorio Peak on the White Sands military base. Then it was "discovered" and disposed of - with a "Spanish treasure trove" excuse ready to use in case anyone raised a stink about it.