Mines, Mines, and More Mines.

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It's your use of the word "possible" that you really should reconsider. You don't have to believe in the treasure to say it's possible. To say it's not possible is just wrong.

With all of the "collective" evidence and factors and limitations of "the era and region in question" the grand adventure "as described in the Beale papers" was "impossible."
 

How many lost treasure stories have we all read that were associated with a cave? :laughing7: So here we have 30 intelligent men sitting around a campfire and discussing a safe place to store all of their wealth back east;

Beale - "Hey, what about that cave that everybody and their brother knows about? You know, the one that gets frequented all the time. Bet that would be a secret safe place to stash all of our loot!"
First mate - "Smashing idea! Let's hide it there!"

Really? This was their grand secret safe-house plan? :laughing7: If folks believe this...then no doubt they believe in all of those other cave related treasure tales.
 

With all of the "collective" evidence and factors and limitations of "the era and region in question" the grand adventure "as described in the Beale papers" was "impossible."

The Beale story may not be true, but it's definitely not impossible. Maybe impossible for your opinion of what the story says, but it's possible that things don't mean exactly what you think.
 

How many lost treasure stories have we all read that were associated with a cave? :laughing7: So here we have 30 intelligent men sitting around a campfire and discussing a safe place to store all of their wealth back east;

Beale - "Hey, what about that cave that everybody and their brother knows about? You know, the one that gets frequented all the time. Bet that would be a secret safe place to stash all of our loot!"
First mate - "Smashing idea! Let's hide it there!"

Really? This was their grand secret safe-house plan? :laughing7: If folks believe this...then no doubt they believe in all of those other cave related treasure tales.

Does your example include the treasure cave of Robert O Willis of Kentucky?
 

In St. Louis;

Beale - "Hi there. My name is Thomas Beale, Captain Thomas Beale, and my buddies and I have 600-700 pounds of freshly mined silver that we'd like to trade for jewels to save on transportation weight seeings how we got so damn much of the stuff, gold too. Can you help us out?"

Store keep - "Why sure, and I won't tell a single soul about your discovery and your fantastically wealthy mining operation. It'll be our little secret."

Beale - "Thanks pal." :laughing7:

And these problems with the story, and many-many others, all bring about a very obvious conclusion, and this is it. "You'd better hope that this alleged wealth came from someplace other then a mining operation as described in those bogus Beale paper letters and C2, otherwise it never existed at all." :thumbsup:
 

How many lost treasure stories have we all read that were associated with a cave? :laughing7: So here we have 30 intelligent men sitting around a campfire and discussing a safe place to store all of their wealth back east;

Beale - "Hey, what about that cave that everybody and their brother knows about? You know, the one that gets frequented all the time. Bet that would be a secret safe place to stash all of our loot!"
First mate - "Smashing idea! Let's hide it there!"

Really? This was their grand secret safe-house plan? :laughing7: If folks believe this...then no doubt they believe in all of those other cave related treasure tales.
THAT cave, COULD have been the cave at Natural Bridge (once owned by Thomas Jefferson) or the "Murder Hole" cave (has another name, will have to review my R & I...).
 

In St. Louis;

Beale - "Hi there. My name is Thomas Beale, Captain Thomas Beale, and my buddies and I have 600-700 pounds of freshly mined silver that we'd like to trade for jewels to save on transportation weight seeings how we got so damn much of the stuff, gold too. Can you help us out?"

Store keep - "Why sure, and I won't tell a single soul about your discovery and your fantastically wealthy mining operation. It'll be our little secret."

Beale - "Thanks pal." :laughing7:

And these problems with the story, and many-many others, all bring about a very obvious conclusion, and this is it. "You'd better hope that this alleged wealth came from someplace other then a mining operation as described in those bogus Beale paper letters and C2, otherwise it never existed at all." :thumbsup:

Store keep: "...Because if I did tell, you guys might disappear and never be seen again."
Oh, that's right, that's what the story says happened.

Let us not forget that Beale said some had ascertained the secret.
 

Did you miss the part that there was NO James Cockrell silver mine, or their encounter with not so "friendly" Indians? :laughing7:

No, I didn't. Did you miss my reply that thanked you for helping me make my point?
 

With all of the "collective" evidence and factors and limitations of "the era and region in question" the grand adventure "as described in the Beale papers" was "impossible."
Couple that with NO existing evidence outside of the Beale Papers that can corroborate this "grand adventure" actually ever happening, what remains is a grand adventure dime novel with parlor entertainment ciphers.
One consideration that is always overlooked-the Beale Papers were written for an 1885 Lynchburg audience who would enjoy a good treasure story about their area, and the wary reader could easily discern that this local job pamphlet was written in the form of a novel.
 

Couple that with NO existing evidence outside of the Beale Papers that can corroborate this "grand adventure" actually ever happening, what remains is a grand adventure dime novel with parlor entertainment ciphers.
One consideration that is always overlooked-the Beale Papers were written for an 1885 Lynchburg audience who would enjoy a good treasure story about their area, and the wary reader could easily discern that this local job pamphlet was written in the form of a novel.

And NO existing evidence outside of your favorite theory that can corroborate the family connections was a dime novel. You don't know much about novel writing, do you.
I know Sherlock Holmes is an intelligent sleuth, but even his claims require proof.
 

THAT cave, COULD have been the cave at Natural Bridge in Rockbridge County, Va.(once owned by Thomas Jefferson) or the "Murder Hole" cave (has another name, will have to review my R & I...).
"Murder Hole" was "aka" Catawba Cave in Botetourt County, Va., not far from Buchanan, Va., where the BEALE Family had land, a Plantation, etc., "back-in-the-day". ANOTHER "possible" source is nearer to Montvale, Va. (formerly known as Buford'sville). The Boxley Rock Quarry in Villamont area (formerly known as IRONVILLE), MAY have started as a CAVE! Dunno.
 

AND! Even BETTER! Are 3-4 ORE MINES down from the Peaks of Otter. It was "developed", (on current AT)... a Ranger told me that 2-3 mines are open; one is CLOSED. NEVER been there... on the BRP. I think it is called Iron Mines Hollow or something like that. Start your "hike" at Bobblets Gap on the BRP. ANOTHER great "hike" is at Black Horse Gap, down to current Montvale, Va. & BUFORD"S! HA!
 

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Well its like the Beale Papers, facts mingled with fiction to create a storyline of "authentic statements".
 

Store keep: "...Because if I did tell, you guys might disappear and never be seen again."
Oh, that's right, that's what the story says happened.

Let us not forget that Beale said some had ascertained the secret.

No, he never claims anyone ascertained their secret, only that "if and when they did" then they would see that no store of wealth was being kept on hand. And yes, "the author" made certain to elude to Indian massacres as a possible reason why "the alleged party was never heard of again," just as countless other treasure tales have eluded to. I'm sure those same marauding Indians must have gotten the guy in St. Louis as well. Morriss was just lucky that those vile Indians never came that far east as he was, as with most other treasure tales, the lone survivor with the secret. :thumbsup:
 

No, he never claims anyone ascertained their secret, only that "if and when they did" then they would see that no store of wealth was being kept on hand. And yes, "the author" made certain to elude to Indian massacres as a possible reason why "the alleged party was never heard of again," just as countless other treasure tales have eluded to. I'm sure those same marauding Indians must have gotten the guy in St. Louis as well. Morriss was just lucky that those vile Indians never came that far east as he was, as with most other treasure tales, the lone survivor with the secret. :thumbsup:

No, he didn't say if, or when. Read it again. He said, "as they would do." That was spoken looking back on what had happened - someone found out. You want to change the story to fit what you want to believe, or disbelieve.

Are you saying such stories of massacres didn't exist? They did. But of those "countless other treasure tales," such as cave treasures you mentioned, you never answered whether or not that includes Robert O. Willis of Kentucky.
 

No, he never claims anyone ascertained their secret, only that "if and when they did" then they would see that no store of wealth was being kept on hand. And yes, "the author" made certain to elude to Indian massacres as a possible reason why "the alleged party was never heard of again," just as countless other treasure tales have eluded to. I'm sure those same marauding Indians must have gotten the guy in St. Louis as well. Morriss was just lucky that those vile Indians never came that far east as he was, as with most other treasure tales, the lone survivor with the secret. :thumbsup:
WHAT, then... IS "THE SECRET...?
 

What really seals the bogus nature of the pamphlet is that gold in that quantity along with silver in
that quantity aren't found together in nature. All OS has to do is visit the Denver museum of
Colorado mining and ask the curator if massive native gold and silver deposits have ever been
discovered in situ in a single mine in Colorado or any other place in North America.


I know OS wouldn't believe him either because he desperately wants to swallow the legend
whole. We've all been there in our formative years but eventually we learn to strain out
the gnats.
 

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