maybe soon you can only use Marsh Mellows for Bullets in California ?

I was trying to convey that unless you want to purposely kill people, why is there a need for expanding rounds? Is it a dream for some to blow someone away or to protect themselves? Don't full metal jacketed rounds have a higher percentage of penetrating a Kevlar vest? I may be wrong on the vest thing. I harvest game in order to help feed my family with all natural organic meat.

TRUTHFULLY; for YOU, that is good, "harvesting" to feed your family. Here in the mountains around Lynchburg, Va. & the Blue Ridge Parkway, deer is TOO plentiful; hunters are given permits to thin out the herds and feed the hungry; hunting with a PURPOSE! Back in the "old days", Native ppl did THIS all the time; RESPECT was STILL shown to the animal lives taken.
 

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...no not at all,I was just wondering what was so "nice",about be told you are a Buddhist?

It speaks to a respect for all living things..
 

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It speaks to a respect for all living things..
...which I do,and I dont need some religion to tell me that....or a title,but thanks for answering the question....I really was just curious :icon_thumright:

Backbacon....I am confused....it is not only illegal to hunt animals with full metal jacket type bullets it completly unethical....but then you say you hunt?Also,as far as self defence....if I ever am forced to shoot somebody in self defense or of my family,it will be to kill....not wound,and wounded intruder is still dangerous.....and I will never draw my weapon unless I am ready to take a life
 

TRUTHFULLY; for YOU, that is good, "harvesting" to feed your family. Here in the mountains around Lynchburg, Va. & the Blue Ridge Parkway, deer is TOO plentiful; hunters are given permits to thin out the herds and feed the hungry; hunting with a PURPOSE! Back in the "old days", Native ppl did THIS all the time; RESPECT was STILL shown to the animal lives taken.
:icon_scratch:...you completly confuse me,as well............all hunting has a purpose!Are you not aware that bag/tag limits are set and regulated each year by the State by what the Game population warrants for a sustainable balaced population?That it is unlawful to waste any part of an animal?That monies garnered from hunting lisc. and tag fee's goes directly back to the wildlife?Sounds like a purpose to me?Nobody despises poachers or unethical hunting more than I do,or any sportsman for that matter....heck I despise hunting shows on TV....because so many people that dont understand think that the wrong things are being glorified...and in some cases they are.....I dont get watching it....would rather be there doing it....or just being out there actually,whether or not something is killed does not measure my sucess of the "hunt"
 

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...which I do,and I dont need some religion to tell me that....or a title,but thanks for answering the question....I really was just curious :icon_thumright:

Backbacon....I am confused....it is not only illegal to hunt animals with full metal jacket type bullets it completly unethical....but then you say you hunt?Also,as far as self defence....if I ever am forced to shoot somebody in self defense or of my family,it will be to kill....not wound,and wounded intruder is still dangerous.....and I will never draw my weapon unless I am ready to take a life

In Virginia, LAW is SHOOT TO STOP, NOT kill; had training in this. Give WARNING, "I am armed!" Shoot "intruder" in gun hand, then the other; Say NOTHING. Shoot into BOTH legs, so intruder can't run away. Call 911 for cops; let THEM call for "med-assist". 'Nuff said.
 

In Virginia, LAW is SHOOT TO STOP, NOT kill; had training in this. Give WARNING, "I am armed!" Shoot "intruder" in gun hand, then the other; Say NOTHING. Shoot into BOTH legs, so intruder can't run away. Call 911 for cops; let THEM call for "med-assist". 'Nuff said.
That is rediculous and despicable.....LEO,and Military traing is shoot center mass,you shoot to kill,so why is that not the same for a citizen of the UNITED STATES of America?Heck even in this lib,loony state we shoot to kill....and if I was you....shoot center mass(Very few people have the nerves when in the heat of the moment called to use a gun in defense to accuratly shoot in the hand!!!)and claim ya "missed",so what happens when your advesary is armed and shoot you when you just wound?
 

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California IS different...
What!well.....yea I wont dis agree with you Cali is DIFFERENT but.........all wildlife is owned by the Federal Government and Managed per State....that is FACT my friend Federal Fish and Wildlife Service??????
 

Californians, Do you not remember that automobiles are produced the same for all of us EXCEPT you? Your state just may decide on laws that make metal bullets illegal and call for biodegradable organic ones that would save all wildlife, cost more and make liberals dance with glee. You just never know what might happen in the future. It would be interesting. I can see it now, down at the Beverly Hills Walmart. Yes, I'd love a free case of Bear Bear Go Away spray, just in case my paper piercing low impact Jerry Brown's don't stop that bear, lion or bunny. Thank you ever so much. Have a nice day...
 

Reb! I count 4 shots there! Ouch,that would stop some,i can see being asked why i kept shooting though. Hitting an artery gonna kill if response by medical is not swift.

Here we a trained to hold center of mass.
Choot em! Both legs! L.o.l.
 

:icon_scratch:...you completly confuse me,as well............all hunting has a purpose!Are you not aware that bag/tag limits are set and regulated each year by the State by what the Game population warrants for a sustainable balaced population?That it is unlawful to waste any part of an animal?That monies garnered from hunting lisc. and tag fee's goes directly back to the wildlife?Sounds like a purpose to me?Nobody despises poachers or unethical hunting more than I do,or any sportsman for that matter....heck I despise hunting shows on TV....because so many people that dont understand think that the wrong things are being glorified...and in some cases they are.....I dont get watching it....would rather be there doing it....or just being out there actually,whether or not something is killed does not measure my sucess of the "hunt"

Sport killing in Virginia...? I have seen TOO many dead deers just lying around, with BIG bullet holes in 'em, when I worked for USDA, working jointly with other Feds & Commonwealth of Virginia WILDLIFE Depts. to know about RECREATIONAL KILLING/MURDERS of animals... SHAMEFUL! I AM OK with HUNTING WITH A PURPOSE. YOU eat the deer meat, rabbit meat, etc... you are OK.
 

Reb! I count 4 shots there! Ouch,that would stop some,i can see being asked why i kept shooting though. Hitting an artery gonna kill if response by medical is not swift.

Here we a trained to hold center of mass.
Choot em! Both legs! L.o.l.

I would like to know how many times that technique he claims they must adhere to has been sucessfully carried out......I bet less than twice,and I would sure like to shake the hand of that shooter!!!!!
 

That is rediculous and despicable.....LEO,and Military traing is shoot center mass,you shoot to kill,so why is that not the same for a citizen of the UNITED STATES of America?Heck even in this lib,loony state we shoot to kill....and if I was you....shoot center mass(Very few people have the nerves when in the heat of the moment called to use a gun in defense to accuratly shoot in the hand!!!)and claim ya "missed",so what happens when your advesary is armed and shoot you when you just wound?

I DID have "center of mass" Training on the range as part of my job; PRIVATE citizens of Virginia have ONLY Shoot To Stop "option"; DEAL WITH IT!
 

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Reb! I count 4 shots there! Ouch,that would stop some,i can see being asked why i kept shooting though. Hitting an artery gonna kill if response by medical is not swift.

Here we a trained to hold center of mass.
Choot em! Both legs! L.o.l.
I would like to know how many times that technique he claims they must adhere to has been sucessfully carried out......I bet less than twice,and I would sure like to shake the hand of that shooter!!!!!

What happens if its a dark bedroom that youre in and you cant see the criminals legs much less his hands.Maybe criminals are issued glow in the dark gloves and pants:laughing7:
 

Sport killing in Virginia...? I have seen TOO many dead deers just lying around, with BIG bullet holes in 'em, when I worked for USDA, working jointly with other Feds & Commonwealth of Virginia WILDLIFE Depts. to know about RECREATIONAL KILLING/MURDERS of animals... SHAMEFUL! I AM OK with HUNTING WITH A PURPOSE. YOU eat the deer meat, rabbit meat, etc... you are OK.
...I agree with you to a degree........I am pretty sure that Virginia law says you have to use shotgun slugs,which yes do make a HUGE hole....the animal is just as dead?How many "deers"(LOL)are wasted hit on the highways?
 

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