LUE MAP THEORY, MAYBE SOME CONTEXT

[Puff the Tragic Wagon]

I would love my next post to be the history of the LUE map, who drew it, when and why but I'm at a dead end.

I understand. I’m having a little difficulty myself deciding if it was meant to lead one to a treasure of riches, or an esoteric treasure within.

I was just confused on my return as I could see no connection to your theory in the last few pages since my last visit. But Sdcfia filled me in on the sidetrack. Seems to be a recurring theme around here, lol.

Do carry on your interesting research, Mdog, don’t let a temporary detour throw you off your path. Interesting stuff, a puzzle for sure. 👍

 

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[mdog]

I understand. I’m having a little difficulty myself deciding if it was meant to lead one to a treasure of riches, or an esoteric treasure within.

I was just confused on my return as I could see no connection to your theory in the last few pages since my last visit. But Sdcfia filled me in on the sidetrack. Seems to be a recurring theme around here, lol.

Do carry on your interesting research, Mdog, don’t let a temporary detour throw you off your path. Interesting stuff, a puzzle for sure. 👍

I can give you a brief summary of what I've found.

This is the template for the LUE map. Projective geometry can create multiple intersections and, on a map, it can show many locations.

On the LUE map, the Sun rays are compass headings to be used on a map of the United States. These heading work and are very precise, considering they didn't have any fancy mapping apps a hundred years ago.

The Kensington Runestone is very important and without it, you don't have a LUE map. The location of the runestone was predetermined and the stone was placed at some time during the late 1800s.

There is a lot of subtle Masonic symbolism on the LUE map and one clue indicates York Rite Masons (Knights Templar).

It seems that Karl von Mueller was including clues in some of his articles.

Many of the popular treasure legends are false and meant to draw your attention to a specific area.

 

[Puff the Tragic Wagon]

I can give you a brief summary of what I've found.

This is the template for the LUE map. Projective geometry can create multiple intersections and, on a map, it can show many locations.

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On the LUE map, the Sun rays are compass headings to be used on a map of the United States. These heading work and are very precise, considering they didn't have any fancy mapping apps a hundred years ago.

The Kensington Runestone is very important and without it, you don't have a LUE map. The location of the runestone was predetermined and the stone was placed at some time during the late 1800s.

There is a lot of subtle Masonic symbolism on the LUE map and one clue indicates York Rite Masons (Knights Templar).

It seems that Karl von Mueller was including clues in some of his articles.

Many of the popular treasure legends are false and meant to draw your attention to a specific area.

That’s amazing work you’ve done, thank you for bringing me up to date.

Lately I’ve considered that the LUE mapping system you have discovered may have been intended as a method for locating secret Masonic Lodges formed during a time of persecution, rather than treasure depository locations.

I find it interesting that the Universal Anti-Masonic Union and the Kensington Runestone were founded and found, respectively, in 1896 and 1898.

Anti-Masonry - Wikipedia

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The International Anti-Masonic Congress took place in Trento, Italy in 1896. It was sponsored by Pope Leo XIII and the Austro-Hungarian Emperor Francis-Joseph, a Catholic. The Congress assembled 1,500 delegates and 300 journalists, as well as prominent Catholic bishops. Thousands of telegrams testified to support from the right worldwide. It created a permanent body, the "Universal Anti-Masonic Union." The goal was to create a powerful centre for all anti-Masonic groups, strengthening their resolve and capabilities to battle the Freemasons nation by nation. ~~~

Kensington Runestone - Wikipedia

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The Kensington Runestone is a slab of greywacke stone covered in runes that was discovered in Western Minnesota, United States, in 1898. Olof Ohman, a Swedish immigrant, reported that he unearthed it from a field in the largely rural township of Solem in Douglas County. It was later named after the nearest settlement, Kensington. ~~~


The Runestone being the key to the mapping system seems to indicate the hoax was created for that purpose alone. And I believe you’ve already made the case for Von Mueller’s addition of the word Shiboleth as very likely being a ‘password’ to alert fellow Masons.

It’s an interesting puzzle, for sure. You’ve done a wonderful job of deciphering the Lue Mapping system. I’ve no doubt you’ll succeed at the rest in due time. Very nice work. 👍

 

[mdog]

That’s amazing work you’ve done, thank you for bringing me up to date.

Lately I’ve considered that the LUE mapping system you have discovered may have been intended as a method for locating secret Masonic Lodges formed during a time of persecution, rather than treasure depository locations.

I find it interesting that the Universal Anti-Masonic Union and the Kensington Runestone were founded and found, respectively, in 1896 and 1898.

Anti-Masonry - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

The International Anti-Masonic Congress took place in Trento, Italy in 1896. It was sponsored by Pope Leo XIII and the Austro-Hungarian Emperor Francis-Joseph, a Catholic. The Congress assembled 1,500 delegates and 300 journalists, as well as prominent Catholic bishops. Thousands of telegrams testified to support from the right worldwide. It created a permanent body, the "Universal Anti-Masonic Union." The goal was to create a powerful centre for all anti-Masonic groups, strengthening their resolve and capabilities to battle the Freemasons nation by nation. ~~~

Kensington Runestone - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

The Kensington Runestone is a slab of greywacke stone covered in runes that was discovered in Western Minnesota, United States, in 1898. Olof Ohman, a Swedish immigrant, reported that he unearthed it from a field in the largely rural township of Solem in Douglas County. It was later named after the nearest settlement, Kensington. ~~~


The Runestone being the key to the mapping system seems to indicate the hoax was created for that purpose alone. And I believe you’ve already made the case for Von Mueller’s addition of the word Shibboleth as very likely being a ‘password’ to alert fellow Masons.

It’s an interesting puzzle, for sure. You’ve done a wonderful job of deciphering the Lue Mapping system. I’ve no doubt you’ll succeed at the rest in due time. Very nice work. 👍

Thank you very much for an excellent post and some very useful information to add to this conversation. The timeline makes perfect sense.

 

[Puff the Tragic Wagon]

Thank you very much for an excellent post and some very useful information to add to this conversation. The timeline makes perfect sense.

You’re very welcome, and I’m not sure how helpful the information is but hopefully it will give us something new to ponder and something different to consider.

 

[mdog]

Here's an interesting interview with a high ranking Masonic Knight Templar. The 8-9 minute mark is really interesting.

https://content.blubrry.com/paranormalplus/The_Last_Refuge_of_the_Knights_Templar-Ancient_Mysteries_on_the_Air_66.mp3

 

[mdog]

Here's an interesting interview with a high ranking Masonic Knight Templar. The 8-9 minute mark is really interesting.

https://content.blubrry.com/paranormalplus/The_Last_Refuge_of_the_Knights_Templar-Ancient_Mysteries_on_the_Air_66.mp3

"......that treasure ultimately made it's way to North America .....Pike hints that he knows the location of the last refuge of the Knights Templar, as they made their way across America, and more importantly, gives indication that he knows the location of the treasure vault that was developed at the last refuge by the Knights Templar and that location is secret...."

That excerpt came between the 8 and 9 minute mark of the interview.

The man being interviewed, William Mann, was talking about Albert Pike. Albert Pike was a famous Mason who was a distant cousin of Zebulon Pike, who explored the Sangre de Cristo Mountains of Colorado, during 1806 and 1807. Zebulon Pike was a Master Mason belonging to Lodge #3 in Philadelphia.

I guess this grabbed my attention because of the description of the Cave of Gold described in the book Scarlet Shadow, and Karl von Mueller's interest in that cave. The alter described in the Cave of Gold was similar, in size, to the Sacrificial Alter in front of Solomon's Temple. Many Masonic rituals revolves around the Temple of Solomon.

Von Mueller spent a lot of time researching and searching for this Cave of Gold even though the story wasn't a very good treasure lead. He recorded his research in his book, Treasure of the Valley of Secrets. So, out of all the treasure leads he could have written about, he picks a poor lead and also includes another treasure lead that he later wrote, was ridiculous and poorly researched. So, why did he call so much attention to the Cave of Gold described in Scarlet Shadow?

William Mann wrote a fictional book where he incorporates Albert Pike's papers into the story. I ordered the book and will report back, after I read it.

 

[sdcfia]

Never Been To Spain​

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Original by Hoyt Axton.

 

[point hunter]

These are at a petroglyph site in Tempe, Az. I’m wondering if they are what’s shown as a mystery glyph site? IMHO, these look more “Native American “ than a glyph panel.

 

[point hunter]

However, a look @ the area/terrain it fits IMO. I bring this up because I saw someone who posted a solve for the area if they knew the cords. This is in Tempe Butte, Az.

 

[sdcfia]

"......that treasure ultimately made it's way to North America .....Pike hints that he knows the location of the last refuge of the Knights Templar, as they made their way across America, and more importantly, gives indication that he knows the location of the treasure vault that was developed at the last refuge by the Knights Templar and that location is secret...."

That excerpt came between the 8 and 9 minute mark of the interview.
. . . .

Zebulon Pike had the reputation of being kind of a mysterious figure. His first expedition to explore the Louisiana Purchase lands was to find the headwaters of the Mississippi River. He didn't find it, but ended up fairly close to the Kensington Runestone marker and your Apple Lake site. Kind of a coincidence.

His southern expedition took him near some sites linked to various treasure legends - the Sangre de Cristo Mountains sites in CO and the Caballo Mountains in NM. He was essentially trespassing in Spanish territories, got caught, and was taken down to Mexico to 'splain himself. He claimed he was lost. It's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission, you know. Maybe he was actually lost, as he wasn't known to be a very competent surveyor. Or maybe he was given specific intel to look for and was sneaking around when caught. Interestingly, Zeb was related to Albert, who came on to the scene later. Another coincidence.

In Coloraado

In New Mexico

 

[mdog]

Zebulon Pike had the reputation of being kind of a mysterious figure. His first expedition to explore the Louisiana Purchase lands was to find the headwaters of the Mississippi River. He didn't find it, but ended up fairly close to the Kensington Runestone marker and your Apple Lake site. Kind of a coincidence.

His southern expedition took him near some sites linked to various treasure legends - the Sangre de Cristo Mountains sites in CO and the Caballo Mountains in NM. He was essentially trespassing in Spanish territories, got caught, and was taken down to Mexico to 'splain himself. He claimed he was lost. It's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission, you know. Maybe he was actually lost, as he wasn't known to be a very competent surveyor. Or maybe he was given specific intel to look for and was sneaking around when caught. Interestingly, Zeb was related to Albert, who came on to the scene later. Another coincidence.

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In Coloraado
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General Wilkinson sent him to both places. He was found by the Spanish, camped at the base of a high hill, in the middle of the San Luis Valley. The Old Spanish Trail splits, at the upper and lower parts of the valley, so there were two branches of the trail that Pike could have watched.

Great maps, thank you very much.

 

[mdog]

These are at a petroglyph site in Tempe, Az. I’m wondering if they are what’s shown as a mystery glyph site? IMHO, these look more “Native American “ than a glyph panel.

These don't look like the Mystery Glyphs, but I'm no expert.

 

[sdcfia]

These are at a petroglyph site in Tempe, Az. I’m wondering if they are what’s shown as a mystery glyph site? IMHO, these look more “Native American “ than a glyph panel.

Those are not Mystery Glyphs, although the spiral is an important carving by itself, IMO. Some experts claim the spiral is a symbol for a nearby water spring. Some treasure hunters claim it's a symbol for "all the stars in heaven". As always, the only one who knows for certain is the one who carved it.

I found this photo in my files labeled "Tempe Mystery Glyphs". The symbols definitely match other MG panels. Ipresume they're in Tempe, although I haven't been to the site.

 

[point hunter]

Another thing I have found out is IMHO, were looking for signs of Phoenicians who were known followers of Tanit. If not them, than another group with Tanit worshipers. The Carpathians also had "sky gods" they worshipped like Apollo and Zeus. Both "tribes" if you will, were the best seafarers of their times and used by the PTB's for many ocean crossings. But again, the few pics I do find the Phoenicians seem to be bearded more than Carpathians.
What does this have to do with the old "Spanish" trails you ask? Again IMO, the Spanish were simply following the old trails left by groups before them. That's why you find the signs of an older occupation in places like Hidden Mountain, New Mexico. In summery, follow the old trails and find all your groups under "one roof/trail" if you will.

 

[cuzimloony]

Real quick:
Might not apply here, but Ill explain where my head goes when I see 5 or 7 caves or tunnels or whatever.

It's about consciousness, or the internal temple made without hands, the biggest mystery of all. Ill explain my perspective:

There are 5 main ways that the OUTSIDE world comes INSIDE of us. These can be seen allegorically as caves, steps, ladders, tunnels, etc.... They are SIGHT. SMELL. TASTE. SEEING. HEARING. They can also relate allegorically to the 5 visible planets.
With those 5 senses, our inner consciousness sees the outside world, from its cave, tunnel or house made without hands.

If 7 is the number used in the story, then they are including the sun and moon, which represent our active-ego consciousness (sun), and our sub-consciousness (moon).
So we have ego and sub consciousness and the ways with which the outside world comes inside, namely, the 5 senses. 5 + 2 = 7, the number of completion.

It's all allegory about YOU and the gold is internal. My opinion. But I also think people who weren't mystics took this knowledge literally and after a few thousand years of people taking mystical knowledge literally, turning mystical knowledge into literal stories.... well here we are looking for cities, caves, gardens or etc.... (FYI, if you want to find these "cities or caves" you need to close your eyes and stop thinking, which is the block between ego and subconsciousness.... Dorothy did it by being knocked out)

The 7 cities of Cibola are really YOU. The Garden of Eden is really YOU. The emerald city is really YOU and so are all the characters in it. Neo, Trinity and Morpheus (The Matrix) characters are all YOU. Many many many ways to say the same thing. A tale as old as time, still being told........

Maybe there is real physical gold out there that lines up to the ancient mystical consciousness science (as I like to call it), but imo it seems there are just a whole lot of ways that the mystics described this ethereal thing called consciousness.

How do you describe consciousness in a way that people understand? How do you put the invisible, indescribable and unthinkable to words Allegory. It's the only way.

People who cant/dont/wont think mystically or allegorically believe the gold is external to them......
Remember, Dorothy......you have the power to go home WITHIN YOU all along.

That said.... I could be misplacing this mystical knowledge into a real story about real physical gold and I sure would like to find that physical gold too That would be nice...but seeing as how this map is heavily Masonic, I dont think Im far off here. I may be wrong, but I dont think Im off by much.

 

[sdcfia]

. . . .
That said.... I could be misplacing this mystical knowledge into a real story about real physical gold and I sure would like to find that physical gold too That would be nice...but seeing as how this map is heavily Masonic, I dont think Im far off here. I may be wrong, but I dont think Im off by much.

Some interesting perspectives, but remember, the Masons are a secret society, and like all secret societies in the grand Elohim worship cult, are set up as a control mechanism. Why else would it all be a secret? This is a deep topic, but let's get back to the lost treasure legends.

The primary cult has made a point of destroying physical evidence of man's history on Earth. Not just the artifacts, as some physical evidence can't easily disappear. The unexplainable technology required to build numerous worldwide structures are for the most part ignored or assigned childlike explanations, such as "It's just a Pharaoh's tomb", etc. Since the cult controls academia and the sciences, dissenting voices are routinely quelled.

Most strongly applied is the attack on cultural histories, racial memories, and those unabridged ancient texts and documents that have survived eradication. The explanation: "Campfire stories", "literary myths", "wishful thinking", "subconscious rationalization", et al. The imposed narrative is that, "None of that shit really happened. You're just an evolving knuckle dragger, so shut up, run the machines and submit the paperwork. We're way more evolved than you, so just get in line, follow our orders and we'll take care of deciding things. Everything. Why us? Because we know all the secrets and you're not capable of the truth yet."

The Seven Cities story? It's a cultural memory from way back, even before the Spanish Conquest. My choice is that the legend actually refers to something physical in the New World. Yes, we have the codexes, oral legends, etc., but these have been filtered through the Spanish in fairly recent times. Did the Spanish truly understand what the Aztecs were telling them? Did the Aztecs tell the interpreters everything? We can't know. Yet. Does anybody know the truth? My guess is yes, but that intel is still withheld. Since the dark ages of the Kali Yuga are behind us now, perhaps many secrets will be revealed in the coming future. Things are changing.

 

[cuzimloony]

"The cult controls dissenting voices."
Well, Im posting freely. So are you.

Next.

Why else would this all be a secret?? Surely its because of cities made of gold (totally not childish). It couldn't be that control of the mind is the ultimate frontier. Understanding how mind and consciousness work is the 1st step...control your mind first, then the masses. Its not about a metal, but Ill agree it can be used for control purposes.

Im not saying any of this is a myth. Im saying its an ALLEGORY. Can be the same, but not necessarily.

The 7 cities story as a cultural memory.... YES! Spainiards stem from the Goths (root word God). The goths were a Germanoc tribe (think Aryan) and its the Aryan CONSCIOUSNESS SCIENCE Im talking about. Spain is a branch on that Aryan root and as such HAS THE CULTURAL MEMORY OF THEIR MYSTICAL TRADITIONS. So we can agree on that. Its not about cities of gold in a world they hadnt discovered yet, though.

The unexplained technologies. Oh boy Grahm Hancock rubbish. Any culture that had shipping (like Egypt, for example) had ship rigging technology. Any culture with shipping and rigging technology could build most anything they wanted. No "high secret lost technology" reauired.

I though this was off the deep end weeks ago. Boy its just getting worse.....

 

[cuzimloony]

 

[cuzimloony]