LUE MAP THEORY, MAYBE SOME CONTEXT

[Puff the Tragic Wagon]

I would love my next post to be the history of the LUE map, who drew it, when and why but I'm at a dead end.

I understand. I’m having a little difficulty myself deciding if it was meant to lead one to a treasure of riches, or an esoteric treasure within.

I was just confused on my return as I could see no connection to your theory in the last few pages since my last visit. But Sdcfia filled me in on the sidetrack. Seems to be a recurring theme around here, lol.

Do carry on your interesting research, Mdog, don’t let a temporary detour throw you off your path. Interesting stuff, a puzzle for sure. 👍

 

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[mdog]

I understand. I’m having a little difficulty myself deciding if it was meant to lead one to a treasure of riches, or an esoteric treasure within.

I was just confused on my return as I could see no connection to your theory in the last few pages since my last visit. But Sdcfia filled me in on the sidetrack. Seems to be a recurring theme around here, lol.

Do carry on your interesting research, Mdog, don’t let a temporary detour throw you off your path. Interesting stuff, a puzzle for sure. 👍

I can give you a brief summary of what I've found.

This is the template for the LUE map. Projective geometry can create multiple intersections and, on a map, it can show many locations.

On the LUE map, the Sun rays are compass headings to be used on a map of the United States. These heading work and are very precise, considering they didn't have any fancy mapping apps a hundred years ago.

The Kensington Runestone is very important and without it, you don't have a LUE map. The location of the runestone was predetermined and the stone was placed at some time during the late 1800s.

There is a lot of subtle Masonic symbolism on the LUE map and one clue indicates York Rite Masons (Knights Templar).

It seems that Karl von Mueller was including clues in some of his articles.

Many of the popular treasure legends are false and meant to draw your attention to a specific area.

 

[Puff the Tragic Wagon]

I can give you a brief summary of what I've found.

This is the template for the LUE map. Projective geometry can create multiple intersections and, on a map, it can show many locations.

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On the LUE map, the Sun rays are compass headings to be used on a map of the United States. These heading work and are very precise, considering they didn't have any fancy mapping apps a hundred years ago.

The Kensington Runestone is very important and without it, you don't have a LUE map. The location of the runestone was predetermined and the stone was placed at some time during the late 1800s.

There is a lot of subtle Masonic symbolism on the LUE map and one clue indicates York Rite Masons (Knights Templar).

It seems that Karl von Mueller was including clues in some of his articles.

Many of the popular treasure legends are false and meant to draw your attention to a specific area.

That’s amazing work you’ve done, thank you for bringing me up to date.

Lately I’ve considered that the LUE mapping system you have discovered may have been intended as a method for locating secret Masonic Lodges formed during a time of persecution, rather than treasure depository locations.

I find it interesting that the Universal Anti-Masonic Union and the Kensington Runestone were founded and found, respectively, in 1896 and 1898.

Anti-Masonry - Wikipedia

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The International Anti-Masonic Congress took place in Trento, Italy in 1896. It was sponsored by Pope Leo XIII and the Austro-Hungarian Emperor Francis-Joseph, a Catholic. The Congress assembled 1,500 delegates and 300 journalists, as well as prominent Catholic bishops. Thousands of telegrams testified to support from the right worldwide. It created a permanent body, the "Universal Anti-Masonic Union." The goal was to create a powerful centre for all anti-Masonic groups, strengthening their resolve and capabilities to battle the Freemasons nation by nation. ~~~

Kensington Runestone - Wikipedia

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The Kensington Runestone is a slab of greywacke stone covered in runes that was discovered in Western Minnesota, United States, in 1898. Olof Ohman, a Swedish immigrant, reported that he unearthed it from a field in the largely rural township of Solem in Douglas County. It was later named after the nearest settlement, Kensington. ~~~


The Runestone being the key to the mapping system seems to indicate the hoax was created for that purpose alone. And I believe you’ve already made the case for Von Mueller’s addition of the word Shiboleth as very likely being a ‘password’ to alert fellow Masons.

It’s an interesting puzzle, for sure. You’ve done a wonderful job of deciphering the Lue Mapping system. I’ve no doubt you’ll succeed at the rest in due time. Very nice work. 👍

 

[mdog]

That’s amazing work you’ve done, thank you for bringing me up to date.

Lately I’ve considered that the LUE mapping system you have discovered may have been intended as a method for locating secret Masonic Lodges formed during a time of persecution, rather than treasure depository locations.

I find it interesting that the Universal Anti-Masonic Union and the Kensington Runestone were founded and found, respectively, in 1896 and 1898.

Anti-Masonry - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

The International Anti-Masonic Congress took place in Trento, Italy in 1896. It was sponsored by Pope Leo XIII and the Austro-Hungarian Emperor Francis-Joseph, a Catholic. The Congress assembled 1,500 delegates and 300 journalists, as well as prominent Catholic bishops. Thousands of telegrams testified to support from the right worldwide. It created a permanent body, the "Universal Anti-Masonic Union." The goal was to create a powerful centre for all anti-Masonic groups, strengthening their resolve and capabilities to battle the Freemasons nation by nation. ~~~

Kensington Runestone - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

The Kensington Runestone is a slab of greywacke stone covered in runes that was discovered in Western Minnesota, United States, in 1898. Olof Ohman, a Swedish immigrant, reported that he unearthed it from a field in the largely rural township of Solem in Douglas County. It was later named after the nearest settlement, Kensington. ~~~


The Runestone being the key to the mapping system seems to indicate the hoax was created for that purpose alone. And I believe you’ve already made the case for Von Mueller’s addition of the word Shibboleth as very likely being a ‘password’ to alert fellow Masons.

It’s an interesting puzzle, for sure. You’ve done a wonderful job of deciphering the Lue Mapping system. I’ve no doubt you’ll succeed at the rest in due time. Very nice work. 👍

Thank you very much for an excellent post and some very useful information to add to this conversation. The timeline makes perfect sense.

 

[Puff the Tragic Wagon]

Thank you very much for an excellent post and some very useful information to add to this conversation. The timeline makes perfect sense.

You’re very welcome, and I’m not sure how helpful the information is but hopefully it will give us something new to ponder and something different to consider.

 

[mdog]

Here's an interesting interview with a high ranking Masonic Knight Templar. The 8-9 minute mark is really interesting.

https://content.blubrry.com/paranormalplus/The_Last_Refuge_of_the_Knights_Templar-Ancient_Mysteries_on_the_Air_66.mp3

 

[mdog]

Here's an interesting interview with a high ranking Masonic Knight Templar. The 8-9 minute mark is really interesting.

https://content.blubrry.com/paranormalplus/The_Last_Refuge_of_the_Knights_Templar-Ancient_Mysteries_on_the_Air_66.mp3

"......that treasure ultimately made it's way to North America .....Pike hints that he knows the location of the last refuge of the Knights Templar, as they made their way across America, and more importantly, gives indication that he knows the location of the treasure vault that was developed at the last refuge by the Knights Templar and that location is secret...."

That excerpt came between the 8 and 9 minute mark of the interview.

The man being interviewed, William Mann, was talking about Albert Pike. Albert Pike was a famous Mason who was a distant cousin of Zebulon Pike, who explored the Sangre de Cristo Mountains of Colorado, during 1806 and 1807. Zebulon Pike was a Master Mason belonging to Lodge #3 in Philadelphia.

I guess this grabbed my attention because of the description of the Cave of Gold described in the book Scarlet Shadow, and Karl von Mueller's interest in that cave. The alter described in the Cave of Gold was similar, in size, to the Sacrificial Alter in front of Solomon's Temple. Many Masonic rituals revolves around the Temple of Solomon.

Von Mueller spent a lot of time researching and searching for this Cave of Gold even though the story wasn't a very good treasure lead. He recorded his research in his book, Treasure of the Valley of Secrets. So, out of all the treasure leads he could have written about, he picks a poor lead and also includes another treasure lead that he later wrote, was ridiculous and poorly researched. So, why did he call so much attention to the Cave of Gold described in Scarlet Shadow?

William Mann wrote a fictional book where he incorporates Albert Pike's papers into the story. I ordered the book and will report back, after I read it.

 

[sdcfia]

Never Been To Spain​

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Original by Hoyt Axton.

 

[point hunter]

These are at a petroglyph site in Tempe, Az. I’m wondering if they are what’s shown as a mystery glyph site? IMHO, these look more “Native American “ than a glyph panel.

 

[point hunter]

However, a look @ the area/terrain it fits IMO. I bring this up because I saw someone who posted a solve for the area if they knew the cords. This is in Tempe Butte, Az.

 

[sdcfia]

"......that treasure ultimately made it's way to North America .....Pike hints that he knows the location of the last refuge of the Knights Templar, as they made their way across America, and more importantly, gives indication that he knows the location of the treasure vault that was developed at the last refuge by the Knights Templar and that location is secret...."

That excerpt came between the 8 and 9 minute mark of the interview.
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Zebulon Pike had the reputation of being kind of a mysterious figure. His first expedition to explore the Louisiana Purchase lands was to find the headwaters of the Mississippi River. He didn't find it, but ended up fairly close to the Kensington Runestone marker and your Apple Lake site. Kind of a coincidence.

His southern expedition took him near some sites linked to various treasure legends - the Sangre de Cristo Mountains sites in CO and the Caballo Mountains in NM. He was essentially trespassing in Spanish territories, got caught, and was taken down to Mexico to 'splain himself. He claimed he was lost. It's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission, you know. Maybe he was actually lost, as he wasn't known to be a very competent surveyor. Or maybe he was given specific intel to look for and was sneaking around when caught. Interestingly, Zeb was related to Albert, who came on to the scene later. Another coincidence.

In Coloraado

In New Mexico

 

[mdog]

Zebulon Pike had the reputation of being kind of a mysterious figure. His first expedition to explore the Louisiana Purchase lands was to find the headwaters of the Mississippi River. He didn't find it, but ended up fairly close to the Kensington Runestone marker and your Apple Lake site. Kind of a coincidence.

His southern expedition took him near some sites linked to various treasure legends - the Sangre de Cristo Mountains sites in CO and the Caballo Mountains in NM. He was essentially trespassing in Spanish territories, got caught, and was taken down to Mexico to 'splain himself. He claimed he was lost. It's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission, you know. Maybe he was actually lost, as he wasn't known to be a very competent surveyor. Or maybe he was given specific intel to look for and was sneaking around when caught. Interestingly, Zeb was related to Albert, who came on to the scene later. Another coincidence.

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In Coloraado
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In New Mexico
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General Wilkinson sent him to both places. He was found by the Spanish, camped at the base of a high hill, in the middle of the San Luis Valley. The Old Spanish Trail splits, at the upper and lower parts of the valley, so there were two branches of the trail that Pike could have watched.

Great maps, thank you very much.

 

[mdog]

These are at a petroglyph site in Tempe, Az. I’m wondering if they are what’s shown as a mystery glyph site? IMHO, these look more “Native American “ than a glyph panel.

These don't look like the Mystery Glyphs, but I'm no expert.

 

[sdcfia]

These are at a petroglyph site in Tempe, Az. I’m wondering if they are what’s shown as a mystery glyph site? IMHO, these look more “Native American “ than a glyph panel.

Those are not Mystery Glyphs, although the spiral is an important carving by itself, IMO. Some experts claim the spiral is a symbol for a nearby water spring. Some treasure hunters claim it's a symbol for "all the stars in heaven". As always, the only one who knows for certain is the one who carved it.

I found this photo in my files labeled "Tempe Mystery Glyphs". The symbols definitely match other MG panels. Ipresume they're in Tempe, although I haven't been to the site.

 

[point hunter]

Another thing I have found out is IMHO, were looking for signs of Phoenicians who were known followers of Tanit. If not them, than another group with Tanit worshipers. The Carpathians also had "sky gods" they worshipped like Apollo and Zeus. Both "tribes" if you will, were the best seafarers of their times and used by the PTB's for many ocean crossings. But again, the few pics I do find the Phoenicians seem to be bearded more than Carpathians.
What does this have to do with the old "Spanish" trails you ask? Again IMO, the Spanish were simply following the old trails left by groups before them. That's why you find the signs of an older occupation in places like Hidden Mountain, New Mexico. In summery, follow the old trails and find all your groups under "one roof/trail" if you will.