Hola amigos - and you guessed that I was referring to the rather mysterious Hohokam people. (For our readers not posting, here is a brief online article explaining pretty well)
Arizona
The earliest canals built by these people are believed to date to
1100 BC - so they were present, and farming, for a
VERY long time. It is thought that they had and used a fairly accurate calendar (necessary for farming) and those ball courts are a particular problem to try to explain. As you know some historians will theorize about a migration of people south, but few propose a migration to the north - yet here we have those
ball courts, similar to the
ancient Mayans, and even a few of the rubber balls used for the game have been found. These rubber balls had to come from at the closest, southern Mexico, quite a distance from the Salt river valley. How did they get them?
Pierpont C. Bicknell wrote an article in 1894, in which he claimed to have found an ancient Hohokam copper mine on the top of Superstition mountain. Was he simply making up a story? Only a few copper artifacts have been found in Hohokam sites, which does not prove anything other than they did have copper items as part of their culture. A stone solar calender was found in Heiroglyphic canyon (if memory serves) which was later removed, someone had posted where it is located today but clearly some 'civilized' people were entering the Superstitions, centuries ago, before the Europeans arrived.
Jacob Waltz signed his name Waltz, not Walzer or Waltzer, so I have to accept that was the correct spelling. I don't know of any connection between Waltz and the ancient people of the area, but it is possible there could be a connection - perhaps his mine had been an ancient Hohokam mine? I doubt it but maybe, won't know for sure until someone finds the mine.
As to the Calalus and/or Oz relics, you probably have read my doubts on another forum so no need to cover it again. While I have NO doubt that people(s) were visiting the Americas from the Old World, up to 1200 years before Christ, I can not place any faith in the Calalus artifacts or the story of Oz. If you wish to see a piece of evidence that is far less questionable, and points to ancient visitors to the southwest from across the ocean, I would suggest the so-called Los Lunas "decalogue" or 'dekalogue' ; thought to be an ancient Hebrew version of the Ten Commandments, carved on stone, in a semi-remote spot in New Mexico. Not far from the stone are what appears to be an ancient fortification. Evidences of ancient prospectors or miners, have been found in such diverse locations as Michigan's upper peninsula and deep in the Black Hills, clearly not the work of primitive hunter-gatherer Indian tribes, or for more 'solid' type ruins, we have Mystery Hill in New Hampshire. At Mystery Hill people have been re-arranging the ruins until we can not know exactly what it looked like previously, but carved inscriptions in Phoenician and what appears to be ancient Ogam have been found, giving a clue as to whom had originally occupied the site. Other even stronger pieces of evidence, proving ancient visitors DID come to America by sea across the oceans have been found too, but that is another story.
Not too far from where I now live, in a spot known as "Spanish Diggings" there are ruins covering the top of a plateau for a considerable area, with evidences of farming tools, pottery, specialized shops etc and dating to BC; who or whom was farming in SE Wyoming in the BC era? No one knows. I am getting carried away here and do not wish to draw you (or anyone) into an argument so will close here. Please do continue amigos, I look forward to reading your posts.
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IMO, Oroblanco's work is also solid. He's spent years on Tnet educating and debunking incorrect historical teachings. I have included this thread, because IMO there are valid clues scattered throughout which will get us further down the trail.
