Wow mdog, nice work. Great thread. I think your ancient DNA is coming awake and traveling up Herme's staff to the top where the heart is laying. It's taking off like a duck taking to flight, up, up, up and away. Thank you for the info. mdog.
Nice work mdog, I luv it.
Thank you.
There is an author you might like, named Sanford Holst. He is a Mason and a Knight Templar. He wrote an excellent book about the ancient Phoenicians and he addresses the ancient builders.Short answer, not specifically off the top of my head.
There might be something to this though.
Long-windid explanation coming:
It is my personal opinion that the core of the Masonic tradition pre-dates the Bible. To illustrate that lets look at the physical home of the Templars and the center of Masonic symbolism, King Solomons Temple. If you look at the explanation of King Solomons Temple in the book of Kings in the Bible, you will see Masonic symbolism. I mantain you see Masonic symbolism there and NOT the other way around, based in part on the advanced state of the symbolism. The symbolism in Kings wasn't new when they wrote down that book. It wasnt new when they built the Temple. In that book, you see a FULLY FLESHED OUT AND ADVANCED SYMBOLISM, that had to have been perfected before construction the Temple, the Masons didnt get their symbolism FROM the Temple. It was the other way around....... The Masons (whatever they were called then) fleshed out their symbolism and then built the Temple using their symbolism.
If my theory is right, then the characters in the versions of the rituals that pre-date the Bible couldn't have been Biblical characters. Biblical characters began to be used in the rituals because it is what the people of the day understood. Before the Bible what did they use
Constellations and stars.
Some constellations STILL make appearances in the ritual (and the Bible), but they've been humanized and most wouldn't recognize them as such. However, it ALL goes back to the constellations. All of it. As above, so below. Old testament and new.
Job 38:32 “Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? What is MazzarothThe zodiak.
Ultimately, it all goes back to the stars.......
Not that I am aware of :/
This article was written more than 10 years after Hardrock Hammond borrowed the original map from it's owner, so it shouldn't have been any big deal for von Mueller to reveal the three letters on the LUE map. I wonder if there was money involved with the transfer of information from the map's owner. Maybe von Mueller was even dangling the LUE map like bait and then selling information. He also mentioned that thousands of people were stopping at Segundo looking for information about the LUE.
Talk about a cash cow. Some guy shows up, all puffed up about the book not existing and there it is. I wonder how much he would wind up spending before he left trying to make it right. LMAO
This is “Shot put Man”. He is located in Cedar city, Utah. Imho, he is a clue to how far back in time all this goes. He holds a “globe” and had a cross for a head. Most think he’s created by the Spanish, but IMO, he doesn’t match their carving style.
I call this guy “big nose man”. He is located in the eastern Sups. I bring him up because of the big rock snake just to his right.
Sorry I didn't finish. This quote is found in Treasure legends: Superstition Mountain legends: Peralta Cabbage, post #39.
Along these lines of thought, I'd like to put out to the group for discussion the 7 locations mentioned in the Aztec codex. My working model, (which of course changes with new info) is that the cave in Tovos is close to one such entrance. Like I said before, KVM didn't just land in Segundo on accident. IMHO, two other entrances are: 1 in the Sups and relate to the "thunder gods" and at least one if not two in Utah and relate to "the god Towat". You can also add Victorio Peak in New Mexico, IMO. This leaves at least 3 other unnamed sites. What sites would you add to this list in the 4 states I just mentioned?
Here's what appears to be an erupting volcano depicted on the "seven caves" artwork in Historia Tolteca-Chichimeca. Below that is a petroglyph found in the Cookes Range/Santa Rita del Cobre/Pinos Altos region of New Mexico that some identify as an erupting volcano with seven subsurface intrusions of some sort. This might be considered as a mere coincidence if it wasn't for the mega-treasure allegations and other intriguing carvings that abound in that highly mineralized area. Therefore, I would add this area to your list. I would also scratch Victorio Peak off the list (completely fraudulent Noss lies, IMO).
I'm inclined to concur with this assessment. Now, my opinion is biased but I have followed your work through the years, and I know it's solid. With that said let's take out Victorio Peak and add the Cookes Range area. So, a good solid # 4 Imo. Any other places names you care to add to the short list?
What are the locations in Utah?
I've already mentioned "Towat's cave of gold", the other IMO would Blind frog Ranch based on what is being found it that area concerning the Aztecs.
Is this Towat's cave of gold. This is in northern Utah in the Uintah Mountains, same region as the Blind Frog Ranch. Sounds like a rich area.
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Also in northern Utah were Native Americans that the Spanish called the bearded ones.Is this Towat's cave of gold. This is in northern Utah in the Uintah Mountains, same region as the Blind Frog Ranch. Sounds like a rich area.
The story behind The Carre-Shinob
Thomas Foster Rhoads (1796-1869), known as "The Mormon Pathfinder," was born in Green River, Kentucky , and was a descendent of Palatinate ...
You may have gotten me on that one. I haven't bothered to plot them on google earth to see exact locations. Basically, I was thinking one northern Utah and another in southern Utah.Is this Towat's cave of gold. This is in northern Utah in the Uintah Mountains, same region as the Blind Frog Ranch. Sounds like a rich area.
The story behind The Carre-Shinob
Thomas Foster Rhoads (1796-1869), known as "The Mormon Pathfinder," was born in Green River, Kentucky , and was a descendent of Palatinate ...
Is there a Masonic symbol that represents "as above, so below" ?Short answer, not specifically off the top of my head.
There might be something to this though.
Long-windid explanation coming:
It is my personal opinion that the core of the Masonic tradition pre-dates the Bible. To illustrate that lets look at the physical home of the Templars and the center of Masonic symbolism, King Solomons Temple. If you look at the explanation of King Solomons Temple in the book of Kings in the Bible, you will see Masonic symbolism. I mantain you see Masonic symbolism there and NOT the other way around, based in part on the advanced state of the symbolism. The symbolism in Kings wasn't new when they wrote down that book. It wasnt new when they built the Temple. In that book, you see a FULLY FLESHED OUT AND ADVANCED SYMBOLISM, that had to have been perfected before construction the Temple, the Masons didnt get their symbolism FROM the Temple. It was the other way around....... The Masons (whatever they were called then) fleshed out their symbolism and then built the Temple using their symbolism.
If my theory is right, then the characters in the versions of the rituals that pre-date the Bible couldn't have been Biblical characters. Biblical characters began to be used in the rituals because it is what the people of the day understood. Before the Bible what did they use
Constellations and stars.
Some constellations STILL make appearances in the ritual (and the Bible), but they've been humanized and most wouldn't recognize them as such. However, it ALL goes back to the constellations. All of it. As above, so below. Old testament and new.
Job 38:32 “Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? What is Mazzaroth
Ultimately, it all goes back to the stars.......
