LUE MAP THEORY, MAYBE SOME CONTEXT

Also in northern Utah were Native Americans that the Spanish called the bearded ones.
The "Bearded Ones", very interesting. There are also stories in both North and South America of a "White teacher" (maybe bearded) in the native tribe's oral history. Before you throw the baby out with the bath water could they have been referring to the "Bearded Ones" possibly?
 

You may have gotten me on that one. I haven't bothered to plot them on google earth to see exact locations. Basically, I was thinking one northern Utah and another in southern Utah.
In Treasure of the Valley of Secrets, von Mueller mentions a Cave of Gold in southern Utah in the Monument Valley. I've never heard a cave of gold legend for that region.
 

The "Bearded Ones", very interesting. There are also stories in both North and South America of a "White teacher" (maybe bearded) in the native tribe's oral history. Before you throw the baby out with the bath water could they have been referring to the "Bearded Ones" possibly?
Could be, but he sounds like one person, the bearded people the Spanish refer to are a tribe of Indians, I think Shoshone but they have also been called the "bearded Utes". It's interesting because the codex you posted shows bearded people.
 

In Treasure of the Valley of Secrets, von Mueller mentions a Cave of Gold in southern Utah in the Monument Valley. I've never heard a cave of gold legend for that region.
Then possibly it's related back to "shot Put Man" who is located in Southern Utah. IMHO, the oldest oral stories or field signs mark a beginning point to find the 7 (or more) lost locations. Mr. Mueller may have had additional clues/signs, etc. he never put in print, so ?
 

Has anybody ever heard a Cave of Gold treasure legend originating in the Monument Valley of southern Utah and northern Arizona?
 

Could be, but he sounds like one person, the bearded people the Spanish refer to are a tribe of Indians, I think Shoshone but they have also been called the "bearded Utes". It's interesting because the codex you posted shows bearded people.
I remember the stories as you said, now. it was a single entity not a group. See, what happens when you think you can remember all this and not take many notes. LOL, But he was white and possibly had a beard.
 

Then possibly it's related back to "shot Put Man" who is located in Southern Utah. IMHO, the oldest oral stories or field signs mark a beginning point to find the 7 (or more) lost locations. Mr. Mueller may have had additional clues/signs, etc. he never put in print, so ?
I don't know, but if there are no Cave of Gold legends in the Monument Valley, there might be something else there of interest to a Mason. The Three Sisters are geological formations consisting of three large rock columns. Three columns, or pillars, are a part of Masonic lore.
 

I remember the stories as you said, now. it was a single entity not a group. See, what happens when you think you can remember all this and not take many notes. LOL, But he was white and possibly had a beard.
How do you feel about northern Utah and the Carre-Shinob as the place of the seven caves of the Aztecs?
 

How do you feel about northern Utah and the Carre-Shinob as the place of the seven caves of the Aztecs?
I think there is enough Aztec sign there to consider it possibly valid. Similar to the Sups. With that much smoke (field sign, oral history, etc.) there must still be some fire left. Speaking of fire, ever hear any stories about openings in the Sups and when you look in magma can be seen. But then they go back and nothing. Lava tubes could explain a lot of things, no?
 

I think there is enough Aztec sign there to consider it possibly valid. Similar to the Sups. With that much smoke (field sign, oral history, etc.) there must still be some fire left. Speaking of fire, ever hear any stories about openings in the Sups and when you look in magma can be seen. But then they go back and nothing. Lava tubes could explain a lot of things, no?
I've never heard of that, but I've never been to Arizona.
 

I'm inclined to concur with this assessment. Now, my opinion is biased but I have followed your work through the years, and I know it's solid. With that said let's take out Victorio Peak and add the Cookes Range area. So, a good solid # 4 Imo. Any other places names you care to add to the short list?
The Chicomoztoc-Cibola-et al, Mexican "seven caves legends" are linked to "treasure" locations north of the Aztec Empire, but as far as I know the individual locations haven't been identified, so we have to speculate based on certain traditions of alleged subsurface gold and Aztec-related evidence (carvings, trade goods, local legends, etc). Utah has at least two - the Carre-Shinob site in the Uinta Mountains and Freddy Crystal's Montezuma treasure in Johnson Canyon, near Kanab. Arizona's Superstition Mountains legends, including Lost Dutchman lore, may all stem from the RG Babcock Chicomoztoc cave there. The one I mentioned in New Mexico allegedly consists of a cavern system that originates in the Pinos Altos Range and extends south all the way into Mexico. That's four possibilities that more or less fit. They may or may not be connected to the Mexican legends.

There many other stories about caves of gold in the Southwest, with more indefinite pre-Anglo connections. Locations in New Mexico include the Caballos Mountains, Cookes Range, The Gila Cliff Dwellings, and the Capitan Range. Arizona has the single most spectacularly described site - the Kinkaid Cave in the Grand Canyon. Colorado has the LUE and other sites in the San Luis Valley. Utah has some interesting caves allegedly containing burials of advanced (and giant) ancient civilized natives. Whether any of these are members of the seven is a matter of opinion, but all are intriguing nonetheless.
 

This is “Shot put Man”. He is located in Cedar city, Utah. Imho, he is a clue to how far back in time all this goes. He holds a “globe” and had a cross for a head. Most think he’s created by the Spanish, but IMO, he doesn’t match their carving style.
I thought you might find this interesting.

If you know about the Shot Putt Man you have probably heard of the Mystery Glyphs.


This google earth map shows Utah with colored lines, from my LUE mapping, crisscrossing the state. The red pins with the M on them show the locations where Mystery Glyphs have been found. Look how close they are next to the north/south blue line. I don't know if there are rail tracks along that line, or not.

mystery stones.jpg
 

Is this a complete mapping of all the panel sites? I am aware of them, but haven't spent too much time on them. It is interesting that the majority of them seem to march south straight into Arizona. That is odd isn't it? I'm sure there are some tracks and tressels through all that country. Do you think these glyphs are a past dead language or a group with their own "alphabet" if you will.
 

Is this a complete mapping of all the panel sites? I am aware of them, but haven't spent too much time on them. It is interesting that the majority of them seem to march south straight into Arizona. That is odd isn't it? I'm sure there are some tracks and tressels through all that country. Do you think these glyphs are a past dead language or a group with their own "alphabet" if you will.
Sdcfia gave me these locations years ago. I don't know if any new stones have been found. I don't know the origin.

mystery stones 2.jpg
 

The Chicomoztoc-Cibola-et al, Mexican "seven caves legends" are linked to "treasure" locations north of the Aztec Empire, but as far as I know the individual locations haven't been identified, so we have to speculate based on certain traditions of alleged subsurface gold and Aztec-related evidence (carvings, trade goods, local legends, etc). Utah has at least two - the Carre-Shinob site in the Uinta Mountains and Freddy Crystal's Montezuma treasure in Johnson Canyon, near Kanab. Arizona's Superstition Mountains legends, including Lost Dutchman lore, may all stem from the RG Babcock Chicomoztoc cave there. The one I mentioned in New Mexico allegedly consists of a cavern system that originates in the Pinos Altos Range and extends south all the way into Mexico. That's four possibilities that more or less fit. They may or may not be connected to the Mexican legends.

There many other stories about caves of gold in the Southwest, with more indefinite pre-Anglo connections. Locations in New Mexico include the Caballos Mountains, Cookes Range, The Gila Cliff Dwellings, and the Capitan Range. Arizona has the single most spectacularly described site - the Kinkaid Cave in the Grand Canyon. Colorado has the LUE and other sites in the San Luis Valley. Utah has some interesting caves allegedly containing burials of advanced (and giant) ancient civilized natives. Whether any of these are members of the seven is a matter of opinion, but all ar

Imho, if you put the aztecs "lake with reeds" (I think that what they called it) at Salt Lake City, Utah. ( I'm reading the exit from the caves as their mystic lake). Then going clockwise from there are:
1. Unita Mountains
2. Segundo area
3. LUE of Noth New Mexico
4. The Cookes area
5. The Superstition Mountains
6. Northern Grand Canyon
7. Cedar City area

I left off Victorio Peak for a couple of reasons: It has the apperance (description) of a vault more than a mine entrance. At this point I haven't found enough Aztec/Ancient evidence to consider it part of the codex. The same with Treasure Mountain. This is long on theory and thin on evidence, but this elusive lake of the Aztecs north of Mexico city did exist. Now you say why not the Salton Sea, again Imho, if a migrating people were that close to a coast line I think they would have found it. If you consider the mystery glyph mapping as part of a migration/living area pattern, the bulk of the glyph sites do support this. However, following the glyph theory, you could agrue a case all the way to Northern California or possibly another group.
 

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I almost forgot. I would have included Kokoweef if it wasn't in California. I have found evidence of a high flow underground river north and east of there. Basically the south west corner of Nevada. This happens to be right next to the Northern Grand Canyon area. If the Kokoweef description is valid, I wonder how much gold could be in those caves/mines.
 

Could be, but he sounds like one person, the bearded people the Spanish refer to are a tribe of Indians, I think Shoshone but they have also been called the "bearded Utes". It's interesting because the codex you posted shows bearded people.
This makes me think of the lost tribe (or was it tribes) of Israel story.
 

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