LUE MAP THEORY, MAYBE SOME CONTEXT

[Puff the Tragic Wagon]

I'm still wondering why a mountain range in Arizona would be named the Big Lue Mountains. I think I remember, from one of the LUE threads, that Hardrock Hammond borrowed the map, from it's owner, and let KvM and others, copy the LUE map before he returned it to the owner, who lived in Arizona. I wonder if the maps owner, or somebody in his family, had something to do with naming the mountain range. Also, why would he have the LUE map, in the first place? Did somebody in his, or her, family create the map?

I don't have any top notch research tools, but if somebody does, maybe you would look for information about a family named Lue, Leaux, L'eaux or Laue, who have lived in Arizona.

The mountains were named for the Lue Ranch owned by Eugene Johnson, circa 1884-1906, whose cattle brand was LUE.

 

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[sdcfia]

Sdcfia, was there a recovery made by the Map Cave. That was a real interesting story, in your book, and I plotted all of the major points. Also, is there any treasure lore associated with Black Mountain, just NE of the Twin Sisters?

No "modern recoveries" there that I'm aware of, although one of the alleged reasons for the creation of Map Cave ca 1540-1545 was to record a few dozen cache sites of native gold and silver in the rugged terrain surrounding it. That, of course, is a big pill to swallow.

If the allegations surrounding Map Cave are true, then I guess we'd have to consider the accompanying Black Peak claim too - the metal allegedly documented in the cave carvings originated from Black Peak.

 

[sdcfia]

The mountains were named for the Lue Ranch owned by Eugene Johnson, circa 1884-1906, whose cattle brand was LUE.

Good info Puff, verified at 1903-1904 List of AZ taxed brands That answers where the LUE name comes from - Lue may have been Johnson's wife, daughter, mother, favorite dog ("Big Lue", ha ha) or some such. If so, that's an easy explanation.

Now, interestingly, since the Big Lue Mountains place name came into existence no later than the early 1900s, that means it predated all the LUE treasure lore which surfaced, when, in the 1930s? That of course is the same time period as many, many other cache-related treasure stories appeared, and could have been chosen then as a map node just because of its name.

Regardless, there it is in the middle of a "coincidental" perfect right triangle set related to big treasure rumors.

 

[mdog]

The mountains were named for the Lue Ranch owned by Eugene Johnson, circa 1884-1906, whose cattle brand was LUE.

Thank you very much, Puff.

 

[mdog]

Here is an interesting story of events, that took place in the Big Lue Mountains area.

Black Jack Cave ArizonaAnd A Couple of Old Ranch Sites on Smoothing Iron Mesa,

 

[LUE-Hawn]

This might be a little thin, but that hasn't stopped me before.

I keep trying to find something on the LUE clue that will lead to the places in New Mexico where LUE caches have been recovered or have the potential for a recovery, Elizabethtown, Black Lake, Mora and Romeroville. From the research that Randy Bradford shares, the words LLORO URRACA ENTERRARI were written on the LUE clue and some think these words might be a clue that will help solve the LUE clue. A rough translation is, LLORO to weep, URRACA a proper name and ENTERRARI to bury. Randy has offered the possible translation of, "URRACA CRIES BECAUSE IT IS BURIED."

Some people feel that Urraca Mesa in New Mexico is connected to the LUE because it is just NE of Black Lake, where a LUE cache was allegedly recovered.

Here's another possibility. On page 65 of his book HOW TO FIND THE TREASURES OF THE KNIGHTS OF THE GOLDEN CIRCLE, Roy Roush writes that the LUE was sometimes referred to as the LEAUX. LEAUX is the French word for water.

A few miles west of Black Lake the Mora River flows south to Mora and La Cueva, New Mexico. Here is an excerpt from the article, Where the Heart Resides: Stories from the Mora Valley. "... the Mora River Valley is a land of blackberries and black bears, pine forests and trout-stuffed streams. It contains a vibrant history within its lush rolling landscape, and possibly takes its name from a French trapper who wandere d over from Taos and dubbed it “les eaux des morts,” or “the waters of the dead,” for the corpse he found submerged in the river. (It was said that Mexicanos corrupted the term to “lo de Mora.”

Here is a French phrase, L'EAUX URA ENTERRAR, this phrase translates to, THE WATERS WILL BURY. Could "THE WATERS WILL BURY" be a clue directing to the Mora River? Something else of interest is Coyote Creek, which is a tributary of the Mora River. Twenty miles north of Mora, where Coyote Creek flows into the Mora River, Coyote Creek flows right by Black Lake.

Rumor is that LUE caches were recovered at Black Lake and just south of Mora. Also, near La Cueva, a carving was found that had some features of the LUE clue.

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Hi MD,

More East.

Bests in Treasure

LUE-Hawn

 

[LUE-Hawn]

Hello MD,

The location of all the L U E clues, is all privately owned. Every line in the L U E represents something on the ground. The Spanish were exact in their measurements without saying anymore than I already have, but east of the symbols you posted from TOTVOS by Deek Gladson.

Bests in Treasure

LUE-Hawn

 

[mdog]

This is the LUE clue. There are three locations on this clue that I will show you.

The lower right quadrant shows a map of the United States represented by triangles. There are two small dots in this quadrant. The dot at the upper point of the middle triangle is at coordinates 45 deg 48' 38" N and 95 deg 39' 40" W. The coordinates of the dot in the center of the circle are 42 deg 35' 59" N and 109 deg 38' 27" W.

I used the upper right quadrant to find the latitude of the midpoint of the Sun in the upper left quadrant. I used the column to find the longitude of the midpoint of the Sun in the upper left quadrant. I also used a star chart to find both latitude and longitude of the midpoint of the Sun in the upper left quadrant. The coordinates of the midpoint of the Sun are 38 deg 03' 10" N and 104 deg 59' 34" W.

The three coordinates that I gave you are starting points for the compass headings represented by the rays of the Sun. Although I call the symbol the Sun, it could very well represent a protractor, especially since the rays are compass headings.

The starting points and compass headings are used to create a pattern of lines across a map of the United States. Line intersections will get you close to treasure related areas and the length of the Sun rays and the gaps in the rays will pinpoint a location where there should be treasure related signs and symbols that will lead you to a cache. That's my theory.

I believe the blocks in the lower left quadrant might represent the number of caches on the LUE clue.

New starting points are found at places where more than two lines intersect.

Here's a map showing LUE clue headings across the United States.

I feel like I've accomplished what I wanted to, with this thread. I provided specific locations, on the LUE clue and explained how I got there. That information is a tool that can be used or discarded.

There have been very excellent comments and information shared on this thread and I appreciate all those who participated. Thank you very much.

I still have a lot of questions about the LUE clue, so my research will continue, but I will concentrate on specific locations and treasure legends and not on the map, itself.

If anybody ever has any questions, please feel free to ask. Also, all comments are welcome.

 

[mdog]

I plotted this map with information that Crow posted on sdcfia's thread, The Lost Adam's Diggings Was Never Lost. I posted the map here because I always have a lot of questions and I didn't want to get off subject on sdcfia's thread. Here's Crows post.

"Madog

If you plot the above locations on a map
The Wickenburg Mountains. The Hassayampa River. Cave Creek area.The Agua Fria River. The Bighorn Mountains. Prescott – Lynx Creek.
Stanton – Rich Hill. Black Canyon City.

Then draw lines between each known deposit location plotted on a map. Where these lines dissect. there is the probability of a high chance of discovering a undiscovered gold deposits.. Because of fracturing allowing epithelial deposit to pushing heated waters near the surface.

Crow"

Crow, I hope you're reading this, I think this map that I plotted is what you suggested. The red lines connect the gold producing areas.

 

[mdog]

Here's a question for you LUE clue researchers.

I think I've read most of the LUE threads, on Tnet, but I've never seen any discussion about the Masonic Tracing Board. Has anybody looked into the possibility that the LUE clue is a Masonic Tracing Board?

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[sdcfia]

Here's a question for you LUE clue researchers.

I think I've read most of the LUE threads, on Tnet, but I've never seen any discussion about the Masonic Tracing Board. Has anybody looked into the possibility that the LUE clue is a Masonic Tracing Board?

Interesting idea dog. Fits with alleged Organization tactics - use of ancient symbology, geometric patterns, esoteric knowledge, et al, in the clues used to map out the supposed caches.

 

[Crow]

Here's a question for you LUE clue researchers.

I think I've read most of the LUE threads, on Tnet, but I've never seen any discussion about the Masonic Tracing Board. Has anybody looked into the possibility that the LUE clue is a Masonic Tracing Board?

Masonic Trestle Boards | Scottish Rite, NMJ

One of Freemasonry’s oldest symbols is the Masonic trestle board. In this blog, we explore the history and significance of the Masonic symbol.

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Very good question. it appears KVM was Freemason himself. And the Lue if some one looks closely enough has many elements of a tracing board.

Perhaps the Lue is not physical treasure but a spiritual treasure map for the inductee to follow the symbolic virtues of Free masonry?

Crow

 

[sdcfia]

Very good question. it appears KVM was Freemason himself. And the Lue if some one looks closely enough has many elements of a tracing board.

Perhaps the Lue is not physical treasure but a spiritual treasure map for the inductee to follow the symbolic virtues of Free masonry?

Crow

Yeah, now that you mention it Crow, the primary focus of the LUE map is the column, which certainly brings to mind Boaz and Jachin. Steps are also prominent on Masonic aprons. As far as Miller being a spiritual growth advocate, I'm not seeing that as a particularly logical fit. But, quien sabe?

 

[Randy Bradford]

Yeah, now that you mention it Crow, the primary focus of the LUE map is the column, which certainly brings to mind Boaz and Jachin. Steps are also prominent on Masonic aprons. As far as Miller being a spiritual growth advocate, I'm not seeing that as a particularly logical fit. But, quien sabe?

There's a lot more symbolism there as well...I'll have to dust off my LUE presentation slides and show ya

 

[Crow]

Freemasonry is fundamentally a self-improvement, volunteer association that teaches moral, intellectual, and spiritual lessons through three initiation ceremonies. Freemasonry's three degree are modeled after a craftsman's progress: Apprentice, Fellowcraft, and Master Mason.

In that light if look at KVM life. You can through his life Apprentice, Fellowcraft, and Master Mason. I get KVM even when I never met him.
KVM embodied all of the above. He worked hard in jobs like all of us one time or another had but hated but only endured to pay for necessities of life. Such as paying the bills.

Yet took his passion as self improvement about being self sufficient. he volunteered his time at trade shows etc..writing books on treasure sharing the freedom and his passion from treasure hunting.

It is irrelevant if he found treasure at all. He was living his dream, following his passion and sharing his passion with others. a freedom many dream about but few ever really experience it.

Now if you look at the Lue. Ask yourself how many here have posted various theories about the Lue? We think of Lue being treasure? We dream of treasure we make theories with a passion. The Lue follows the principles of freemasonry to follow your passion with intellect, moral and self improvement volunteering those things you have learned.

KVM post this map in days of books and Magazine. He would of been totally addicted to internet forums such as treasurenet. Ask yourself why are you here reading this. Because regardless if you care to admit it or not each one one you have the passion of treasure hunting. I call it the hunger. You all like me come back for ya fix.

Yet all of us here volunteer out time share the passion with thoughts and theories much in the way of freemasonry we are all in our own way following the tracing board. My guess if you all look for masonic symbolism in every aspect of the Lue.

I think Mdog made the most important discovery ever about the Lue that it is tracing board not to physical treasure but a greater treasure in the key principles of freemasonry and most of all to freedom. Some thing few people ever really have.



Crow

 

[mdog]

Freemasonry is fundamentally a self-improvement, volunteer association that teaches moral, intellectual, and spiritual lessons through three initiation ceremonies. Freemasonry's three degree are modeled after a craftsman's progress: Apprentice, Fellowcraft, and Master Mason.

In that light if look at KVM life. You can through his life Apprentice, Fellowcraft, and Master Mason. I get KVM even when I never met him.
KVM embodied all of the above. He worked hard in jobs like all of us one time or another had but hated but only endured to pay for necessities of life. Such as paying the bills.

Yet took his passion as self improvement about being self sufficient. he volunteered his time at trade shows etc..writing books on treasure sharing the freedom and his passion from treasure hunting.

It is irrelevant if he found treasure at all. He was living his dream, following his passion and sharing his passion with others. a freedom many dream about but few ever really experience it.

Now if you look at the Lue. Ask yourself how many here have posted various theories about the Lue? We think of Lue being treasure? We dream of treasure we make theories with a passion. The Lue follows the principles of freemasonry to follow your passion with intellect, moral and self improvement volunteering those things you have learned.

KVM post this map in days of books and Magazine. He would of been totally addicted to internet forums such as treasurenet. Ask yourself why are you here reading this. Because regardless if you care to admit it or not each one one you have the passion of treasure hunting. I call it the hunger. You all like me come back for ya fix.

Yet all of us here volunteer out time share the passion with thoughts and theories much in the way of freemasonry we are all in our own way following the tracing board. My guess if you all look for masonic symbolism in every aspect of the Lue.

I think Mdog made the most important discovery ever about the Lue that it is tracing board not to physical treasure but a greater treasure in the key principles of freemasonry and most of all to freedom. Some thing few people ever really have.



Crow

That is an excellent post, Crow.

I've learned many new things, since I started this thread, several months ago. I'm not a treasure hunter but I love to study history and it makes me feel good to share my research with others.

I'm 75 years old and I can't get around like I used to, but the research keeps my mind active and when I find a helpful bit of information, I feel as if I've found something very precious.

 

[mdog]

Here's an article that you might want to read, with a picture of the LUE map in front of you. It even has the word "shibboleth" in the article.

Freemasonry in Israel - The Iconography of the Tracing Boards

 

[mdog]

Shibboleth is a Hebrew word that means "ear of corn" or "flood." In a Biblical story, the word was used as a password — a means to figure out who was part of your group and who wasn't. It still has that sense of identifying someone as a member of a group.

Dr. Roush said the LUE was also called the LEAUX, which is the French word for waters.

 

[mdog]

Shibboleth is a Hebrew word that means "ear of corn" or "flood." In a Biblical story, the word was used as a password — a means to figure out who was part of your group and who wasn't. It still has that sense of identifying someone as a member of a group.

Karl used the word "shibboleth" in his caption under the LUE Map. I wonder if he was using it as a password to let people in "the group" know were to look for clues. He might have been giving other Masons a heads up.

"The LUE map which will perplex treasure hunters for years to come. Only two people have been able to decipher it and they will never be able to carry away all of the incredible treasures that are revealed by the map. Others will seek and a few will find; and the trovers will be committed to eternal secrecy when they learn the cryptic and shibboleth horde of all hoards, on the American continent. True sign experts will find the ultimate in challenges in this key to a natural Fort Knox. Redrawn exactly from the IAYAYAM Key."

 

[releventchair]

Shibboleth is a Hebrew word that means "ear of corn" or "flood." In a Biblical story, the word was used as a password — a means to figure out who was part of your group and who wasn't. It still has that sense of identifying someone as a member of a group.

Karl used the word "shibboleth" in his caption under the LUE Map. I wonder if he was using it as a password to let people in "the group" know were to look for clues. He might have been giving other Masons a heads up.

"The LUE map which will perplex treasure hunters for years to come. Only two people have been able to decipher it and they will never be able to carry away all of the incredible treasures that are revealed by the map. Others will seek and a few will find; and the trovers will be committed to eternal secrecy when they learn the cryptic and shibboleth horde of all hoards, on the American continent. True sign experts will find the ultimate in challenges in this key to a natural Fort Knox. Redrawn exactly from the IAYAYAM Key."

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