Legend of the Stone Maps

[somehiker]

Hi Frank.....I'm a bit surprised anyone is still wasting time on Travis' stone carvings, or his horse and "priest" for that matter.
And although I'm sure Ryan's upcoming video is still worth waiting for, I don't expect it to answer all of the questions....that could be resolved at a later date, or even before it appears on the tubes. Not sure about there being a "Molina" connection to all of this, but there is another map that does apply to a place with at least one small stone door. Been wondering lately if Travis knew anything about that.

 

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[wrmickel1]

Just something I came across in some old files about small stone doors. Your photo reminded me of that. You do know Travis made the stone maps including the horse, priest stone. Under what circumstances I can't say right now. Perhaps a future debunking video. Fair is fair. There are several on YouTube for the Legend show.

Sgtfda

I beg to differ, Travis 100 percent believed in those maps. And I do know where I found Avitar, we'll just leave it at that.

But if you got one last Jorney in ya, And to truly be Amazed, The same offer I gave Mr. Hat. Which he would have I think if he was in better shape in he's final days. I'll be there in Feb. It's not rigged bring someone with ya. I'll be alone or with
the Wife, Sometimes she likes to go. Once in a lifetime offer, To say hey I new the guy who solved the Stones. All kidding aside let me know if your up to it! You won't be disappointed!

Wrmickel 1. [email protected]

Your chance to keep me in the RUBBER ROOM for good😂

 

[sailaway]

Frank I do not know that Travis made the stone Maps, in fact the only stone that I know of that was done by Travis was the chest stone(a much inferior work). He became interested in stone work after his find just as any of you would if you made such a discovery. The ones on display in the Superstition Mountain Museum were not made by Travis, I have seen an original letter that was written to a media corporation in Oregon by a third party that proves to me beyond a shadow of doubt that the stones were not part of a hoax. To see the letter you will have to buy the book it is published in. In the letter it even states where Travis was working at the time, which was not what we have been told.
Wayne you two can think that there is nothing to the Maps, could it be what was said in the TV show about your 30 years has you doubting? Just because there is a hoax theory does not mean the theory is correct even if based on flawed family members memory, I am searching for the truth not theories. I do not believe Travis ever saw the area I have been searching as I feel the maps are much older, more like the time frame of the 1568 stone that Chuck Crawford found, or at least a reference to the same area in 1847. You have searched for all those years and yet never saw the things I have posted on this site. What could Travis base the stratification of the center of the wilderness on to carve a match to what is beyond where he searched?

love that stone wrmickel1. Would have to guess that it came from the center of the Sombrero vortex area.

 

[sgtfda]

Sgtfda

I beg to differ, Travis 100 percent believed in those maps. And I do know where I found Avitar, we'll just leave it at that.

But if you got one last Jorney in ya, And to truly be Amazed, The same offer I gave Mr. Hat. Which he would have I think if he was in better shape in he's final days. I'll be there in Feb. It's not rigged bring someone with ya. I'll be alone or with
the Wife, Sometimes she likes to go. Once in a lifetime offer, To say hey I new the guy who solved the Stones. All kidding aside let me know if your up to it! You won't be disappointed!

Wrmickel 1. [email protected]

Your chance to keep me in the RUBBER ROOM for good[emoji23]

Let me know when your in town

 

[Azquester]

Could there be more stone maps to be found?Thought I might show a photo that may prove that there are more maps to be found.
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Those with Photo Editors zoom in on arrow
Notice they are placed in the center of a circular area and in shade of a shadow deer
Right side of picture you can see the Priest from the maps

Sailaway, I have one of those same types of maps in my back yard. From a distance it is a set of maps. Up close one of them is a free standing stone slab and the other an optical illusion or a mirror image made in the larger stone face. They are presented that way explaining the entire terrain is in code or map language with signs and symbols.

But they look just like Mose's Tablets don't they?

I don't see any of the next phase monuments around but that's close!

 

[captain1965]

Frank I do not know that Travis made the stone Maps, in fact the only stone that I know of that was done by Travis was the chest stone(a much inferior work). He became interested in stone work after his find just as any of you would if you made such a discovery. The ones on display in the Superstition Mountain Museum were not made by Travis, I have seen an original letter that was written to a media corporation in Oregon by a third party that proves to me beyond a shadow of doubt that the stones were not part of a hoax. To see the letter you will have to buy the book it is published in. In the letter it even states where Travis was working at the time, which was not what we have been told.
Wayne you two can think that there is nothing to the Maps, could it be what was said in the TV show about your 30 years has you doubting? Just because there is a hoax theory does not mean the theory is correct even if based on flawed family members memory, I am searching for the truth not theories. I do not believe Travis ever saw the area I have been searching as I feel the maps are much older, more like the time frame of the 1568 stone that Chuck Crawford found, or at least a reference to the same area in 1847. You have searched for all those years and yet never saw the things I have posted on this site. What could Travis base the stratification of the center of the wilderness on to carve a match to what is beyond where he searched?

love that stone wrmickel1. Would have to guess that it came from the center of the Sombrero vortex area.
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Great post. I agree. For some reason I haven't had a like button!

 

[wrmickel1]

Will do

Wrmickel1

 

[sailaway]

Bill this may be the signs you are looking for including the writing on the mountain described by the Molina Document?

it is to the north west of the priest just out of the Priest mine photo on the same shelf.
whole photo,

 

[Azquester]

Bill this may be the signs you are looking for including the writing on the mountain described by the Molina Document?
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it is to the north west of the priest just out of the Priest mine photo on the same shelf.
whole photo,

Nice!

Here's the slab I saw propped up in a grotto just like yours! In the dim light it even had small map looking symbols reflecting.
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[Backwoodsbob]

It's on a small stone. I was told they didn't use them.

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[sailaway]

Bill the stone on left looks like several overlapping petrified Prehistoric Dragonflies. What is the composition of the stone on the right?

 

[Azquester]

It's on a small stone. I was told they didn't use them.

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Not for anything important. Just a symbol of a stone map.

These are larger than a pocket stone that fits in a ring box.
It was hard hiking out with um they're not light.
But, they did create mini maps on bed rock stone outcrops that you need a magnifying glass to read!

 

[Azquester]

Bill the stone on left looks like several overlapping petrified Prehistoric Dragonflies. What is the composition of the stone on the right?

Conglomerate made of lime stone and quartz. It's few inches thick. Looks just like a map.

 

[somehiker]

Frank I do not know that Travis made the stone Maps, in fact the only stone that I know of that was done by Travis was the chest stone(a much inferior work). He became interested in stone work after his find just as any of you would if you made such a discovery. The ones on display in the Superstition Mountain Museum were not made by Travis, I have seen an original letter that was written to a media corporation in Oregon by a third party that proves to me beyond a shadow of doubt that the stones were not part of a hoax. To see the letter you will have to buy the book it is published in. In the letter it even states where Travis was working at the time, which was not what we have been told.
Wayne you two can think that there is nothing to the Maps, could it be what was said in the TV show about your 30 years has you doubting? Just because there is a hoax theory does not mean the theory is correct even if based on flawed family members memory, I am searching for the truth not theories. I do not believe Travis ever saw the area I have been searching as I feel the maps are much older, more like the time frame of the 1568 stone that Chuck Crawford found, or at least a reference to the same area in 1847. You have searched for all those years and yet never saw the things I have posted on this site. What could Travis base the stratification of the center of the wilderness on to carve a match to what is beyond where he searched?

It's not that I think there is nothing to the "Tumlinson Stones" sailaway, but with all the hoopla about their having been carved by Travis as a set of maps by which he intended to lead other searchers astray, there would be of course, no chance of anyone else finding the "Peralta Treasure Room" sought by he and his relatives to this day. Apparently, those who have devoted their time to using what was visible upon the stones on display at the SMHS museum, including myself since 2010, as reference for their own theories and searches, have been "suckered" by Travis' vortex of duplicity. While we may not have been cheated by having purchased them with the understanding that they were authentic, as was Clarence Mitchell after which Aileen T. made her "sucker" statement, we have all, both pro and con, been led down the wrong path to some extent.
Just how far, each of us may be able to determine for themselves by what evidence the upcoming video and Travis' manuscript will present.

Some evidence I'd like to see for example....
At least one photo of the heart stone before it was broken and glued back together,
as well as one of the back side, taken before Travis added the six "zeros".
Photos of Travis at work, carving the museum/bumper stones.
Original photos of the H/P stone...possibly from the same roll as the bumper stone shots.

I have a longer list of course, but will save the other items for later discussions.

Regards:SH.

 

[Hal Croves]

It's not that I think there is nothing to the "Tumlinson Stones" sailaway, but with all the hoopla about their having been carved by Travis as a set of maps by which he intended to lead other searchers astray, there would be of course, no chance of anyone else finding the "Peralta Treasure Room" sought by he and his relatives to this day. Apparently, those who have devoted their time to using what was visible upon the stones on display at the SMHS museum, including myself since 2010, as reference for their own theories and searches, have been "suckered" by Travis' vortex of duplicity. While we may not have been cheated by having purchased them with the understanding that they were authentic, as was Clarence Mitchell after which Aileen T. made her "sucker" statement, we have all, both pro and con, been led down the wrong path to some extent.
Just how far, each of us may be able to determine for themselves by what evidence the upcoming video and Travis' manuscript will present.

Some evidence I'd like to see for example....
At least one photo of the heart stone before it was broken and glued back together,
as well as one of the back side, taken before Travis added the six "zeros".
Photos of Travis at work, carving the museum/bumper stones.
Original photos of the H/P stone...possibly from the same roll as the bumper stone shots.

I have a longer list of course, but will save the other items for later discussions.

Regards:SH.

Or, of the stones unfinished. One photo is all it would take...

 

[markmar]

Wayne

There not exist any " Peralta treasure room " . The treasure related to the stone maps , dates about the same time frame with the Cursum Perficio map .

 

[somehiker]

Or, of the stones unfinished. One photo is all it would take...

Depending on color, texture, and details, an unfinished stone might not be an original.
The only evidence which I would consider indisputable, would show Travis in the act of carving the trail stones...and the H/P stone...since I still have serious doubts that he had anything to do with creating that and the heart stone.

 

[Azquester]

Travis in the act of carving the trail stones...and the H/P stone...since I still have serious doubts that he had anything to do with creating that and the heart stone..

Who do you think carved them or how do you think Travis acquired them? Maybe one or the other were real stone maps. Travis by the act of forgery has made the whole set suspect. It would be hard to convince anyone that any of them were nothing more than a, what was it you said, a mere: "Maelstrom of duplicity".

It's like pealing the layers off a rotten onion. The whole thing stinks real bad and it makes you cry foul a little just touching it. But, once you get to the center you find out it's not a real onion it just stinks.

 

[releventchair]

Who do you think carved them or how do you think Travis acquired them? Maybe one or the other were real stone maps. Travis by the act of forgery has made the whole set suspect. It would be hard to convince anyone that any of them were nothing more than a, what was it you said, a mere: "Maelstrom of duplicity".

It's like pealing the layers off a rotten onion. The whole thing stinks real bad and it makes you cry foul a little just touching it. But, once you get to the center you find out it's not a real onion it just stinks.

Mayhaps a rotten onion(map(s)) was the desired effect on those following the maker , or user of a variation ,following a trail . One either designed to cover a trail ,or one to create a diversion of a trail?
Sure wouldn't be the same without Travis's touch..... but other maps have turned up by other hands throughout history . All with varied associated odors at the mercy of the map maker..
Having goose chased educates the chaser enough to lead others, if inclined. Depends on on ones motivation and character..

 

[somehiker]

Who do you think carved them or how do you think Travis acquired them? Maybe one or the other were real stone maps. Travis by the act of forgery has made the whole set suspect. It would be hard to convince anyone that any of them were nothing more than a, what was it you said, a mere: "Maelstrom of duplicity".

It's like pealing the layers off a rotten onion. The whole thing stinks real bad and it makes you cry foul a little just touching it. But, once you get to the center you find out it's not a real onion it just stinks.

I still think it's possible that Travis found the H/P stone as and where he told a few of his friends.
I would also suggest, given the revelations previously posted by Ryan, that the reddish "heart stone" came to be in Travis' possession by way of his grandfather, and that it was this stone that was the key to locating the H/P stone, as well as the other five smaller stones which are now claimed to be the authentic artifacts. As to who carved them ? The H/P stone IMO, was the product of someone of far greater religious conviction and background than Travis but not necessarily a cleric. At this time I suspect the heart was carved by the same person who created the map by which Travis found the other stones.