Legend of the Stone Maps

[starman 1]

The Maps

Hello Ponchosportal,

i believe what we are seeing is the birth of a new legend not the birth of truth.

First you control the information flow, next you discredit anyone who does not buy into the new reality, and you hold out the promise of complete disclosure. That is after the gold is found, the book is published, and the movie is in the theaters. By then everyone will have forgotten what the truth is and be celebrating the new heroes of the Superstitions. Barry Storm has been reborn.

I would imagine that getting the right to dig in the SWA will add at least 2 years to the drama.

Should be a great ride, a lot of money will be made and nothing will be solved. Everyone involved will get their 15 minutes of fame or perhaps more.

This is all about theater and not really good theater at that. Before this is over Travis will probably be credited with carving the stone found in the Bat Cave.


Starman

 

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[Hal Croves]

Mike,

I believe that's a correct statement. You will just have to ask around at the Rendezvous to see if any of the old timers will speak up. Most, I believe, are dead now. My source has said he will be there, but, as I have said, he doesn't want to be drug into another pissing match.

Good luck,

Joe

With all do respect, you do that every time you make reference to him or her.

 

[nobodie]

Even if they get a permit and with the new maps, they are not going to find the room of gold.

 

[cactusjumper]

With all do respect, you do that every time you make reference to him or her.

Hal,

With all due respect, I would much prefer to give out his name. He does not want to get involved in our little games. It is what it is.

Good luck,

Joe

 

[nobodie]

Even with the new maps,they are not going to find a room fild with gold.

 

[cactusjumper]

Howdy Joe,

I presented my thoughts as an honest opinion, while you present yours as fact when it is just a theory.

If there were any real evidence that Travis carved the stones, R.G., and Travis's relatives would not be presenting it as their theory. Get real Joe.

Homar

Homar,

Perhaps you should "get real".

Most people can sort out theories, facts and mind reading for themselves.

It would appear that you are unable to do that.

Good luck,

Joe Ribaudo

 

[wrmickel1]

With all do respect, you do that every time you make reference to him or her.

Hal,

With all due respect, I would much prefer to give out his name. He does not want to get involved in our little games. It is what it is.

Good luck,

Joe

Well Joe

Let's just say your source is solid, Then how much was Travis asking for the Stones, Surely that must have been talked about.
Ohh I respect your choice not giving the name.

Wrmickel1

 

[somehiker]

I can't keep from thinking that the Peg Leg/ground map is ...... same song second verse.

I say this because Peg Leg was not likely to miss much and Travis/family/PSM hunters and everyone else have found very little and nothing to warrant a waybill.

Maybe another attempt to raise money to further Peg Legs legacy (knowledge/data).

Personally, I look forward to reading more about Pegleg and his history as a treasure hunter. That his descendants did follow in his footsteps as "Coronado's Children", and still do, IS revealing and I think most of us will enjoy hearing their stories as well. Garman had a waybill, possibly related to his own version of the Peralta Tesoro Mappa. Perhaps the original of that one was also part of Pegleg's collection.
The stone maps could have been a huge asset to the Tumlinsons, worth a great deal of money if the proposed book and a popular movie had brought them to the forefront of public attention. I once said that IF a large cache of long-sought artifacts and other "treasure" was found by someone using these stones, the original stones in themselves would be worth a small fortune to whoever possessed them. But multiple "treasure maps" carved by a modern day treasure hunter just doesn't have the same appeal IMO, as there would have been if authentic originals HAD been found, more or less as legend said.

Regards:SH.

 

[azdave35]

Howdy Joe,

I presented my thoughts as an honest opinion, while you present yours as fact when it is just a theory.

If there were any real evidence that Travis carved the stones, R.G., and Travis's relatives would not be presenting it as their theory. Get real Joe.

Homar

homar...joe has spent many years in the mountains...he's as real as it gets..how many years have you spent in the supers?

 

[wrmickel1]

Now Azdave
You know and I know and many others that Joe comes across as a HARDASS, And if one could crack threw that hard exterior you would find a SOFTASS, A nice swell kindda guy.

Sorry Joe couldn't resist I hope this has no bearing to the answer of my last post.

Wrmickel1

 

[Hal Croves]

Hal,

With all due respect, I would much prefer to give out his name. He does not want to get involved in our little games. It is what it is.

Good luck,

Joe

Due, yes. Thank you for that.
Well, we are half way there. It is a man, someone planning on attending the event this fall who is apparently well known, informed, and yet has no desire to become involved in little games. It would have to be an older gentleman, someone you respect and perhaps consider a friend. Yet, someone who is vulnerable to scrutiny or criticism. Why else would anyone need to remain anonymous?

In my mind, that narrows it down to a handful of locals

Let me make a list and spend some time looking.

 

[cactusjumper]

Due, yes. Thank you for that.
Well, we are half way there. It is a man, someone planning on attending the event this fall who is apparently well known, informed, and yet has no desire to become involved in little games. It would have to be an older gentleman, someone you respect and perhaps consider a friend. Yet, someone who is vulnerable to scrutiny or criticism. Why else would anyone need to remain anonymous?

In my mind, that narrows it down to a handful of locals

Let me make a list and spend some time looking.

Hal,

These are exactly the kind of games I was talking about.

Knock yourself out.

Joe Ribaudo

 

[cactusjumper]

homar...joe has spent many years in the mountains...he's as real as it gets..how many years have you spent in the supers?

Thanks Dave,

On the other hand, I do tend to draw out the best in folks like Homar and Hal.

Hope all is well,

Joe

 

[Hal Croves]

homar...joe has spent many years in the mountains...he's as real as it gets..how many years have you spent in the supers?

I don't know the man but, Homar seems quite real to me and his knowledge of history and language are obviously substantial. At the end of the day, he appears to be a straight shooter and fairly humble. Rare qualities in a man these days.

Measuring a persons value here on TNet, based on time spent wondering the Superstitions, seems a rather archaic and ignorant way of thinking.

So, what about my invitation to try the needle? Are you up for the climb or, is that challenge behind you?

 

[Hal Croves]

Thanks Dave,

On the other hand, I do tend to draw out the best in folks like Homar and Hal.

Hope all is well,

Joe

Actually, that's true.
But perhaps not in the way that I think you intended it.

Goodnight my sweet cataplasm.
Tomorrow is another day.

 

[azdave35]

I don't know the man but, Homar seems quite real to me and his knowledge of history and language are obviously substantial. At the end of the day, he appears to be a straight shooter and fairly humble. Rare qualities in a man these days.

Measuring a persons value here on TNet, based on time spent wondering the Superstitions, seems a rather archaic and ignorant way of thinking.

So, what about my invitation to try the needle? Are you up for the climb or, is that challenge behind you?

like joe says...knock yourself out...just make sure you tell the forest service where your going and what you plan on doing when you sign in at the parking lot so they will know where to send air evac...they scrape at least one poor soul a year off the slopes of weavers needle (at least whats left of them)..its a loooong drop from the top

 

[cactusjumper]

Hal,

"Measuring a persons value here on TNet, based on time spent wondering the Superstitions, seems a rather archaic and ignorant way of thinking."

Dave's thinking is neither "ignorant" nor "archaic". Measuring someone's knowledge/value about the Superstition Mountains by the time they have spent walking there, and researching the legends seems fairly obvious. Those without the intelligence to learn from their time there, end up on the evening news.

Dave has earned the respect and is a good friend of many in the Dutch hunting community. Newbies could do no better than to walk in his footsteps......If they could manage it. Many of us have climbed Weaver's Needle. You are late to the dance.

Joe Ribaudo

Dave,

I was writing this as you were posting. Funny how we were both on the same wave length.

 

[Hal Croves]

Hal,

"Measuring a persons value here on TNet, based on time spent wondering the Superstitions, seems a rather archaic and ignorant way of thinking."

Dave's thinking is neither "ignorant" nor "archaic". Measuring someone's knowledge/value about the Superstition Mountains by the time they have spent walking there, and researching the legends seems fairly obvious. Those without the intelligence to learn from their time there, end up on the evening news.

Dave has earned the respect and is a good friend of many in the Dutch hunting community. Newbies could do no better than to walk in his footsteps......If they could manage it. Many of us have climbed Weaver's Needle. You are late to the dance.

Joe Ribaudo

Dave,

I was writing this as you were posting. Funny how we were both on the same wave length.

We are writing about history here. Some of us are fortunate enough to have spent time in the Superstitions and can share that experience in words and pictures. Not every one has had that privilege, in fact, I think that you would agree that most members reading this thread have never set foot in the range. If that were a prerequisite for participation well, it would be a very limited conversation I think you would agree.

I don't remember questioning you about your experiences in the Superstitions. In fact, I have for the most part always considered you a fairly honest person but, I certainly don't agree with many of your vacillating ideas or your exclusive good-old-boy club mentality. I never have. Exclusivity is the furthest thing from humility in my opinion and using it to marginalize other members is nothing less than pathetic. But, that's just this newbies opinion.

I know quite a bit about your club. Jim, before he passed, made sure of it. Over the past four or five years, other members and non-members have expanded on that insight. Since I consider myself a gentleman, I have never shared those insights publicly. Doing so would only lead to public embarrassment and anger. I have no desire to embarrass anyone. Except for those who feel the almost constant need to attack and embarrass other members for their thoughts and ideas. Dave would be the perfect example. From what I can tell, the man is full of anger and contempt for anyone who falls outside of his particular demographic. Based strictly on his posts, that would include minorities, homosexuals, and those who vote a ticket other than his own. I hope that you don't feel the same way Joe. Those ideas are archaic and ignorant and against the teachings of most faiths.

One of Dave's close friends sent me a PM, chastising me for "driving poor Dave from the site". Now word has reached me that two other member have gone and point to me as being the reason. I can't tell you how surprising that is. Knowing that I have that level of influence on those I don't respect, feels terrific I am embarrassed to say.

My invitation to climb the Finger of God was a sincere one. I was hoping that I could follow in Dave's footsteps right to the top but, from what I can tell, after so many years in the range, his footsteps don't go there. Who knows, perhaps at on time they did. Hard to tell.

I think that I will stop here. I have a dance to get ready for and I want to look my best.

 

[Hal Croves]

like joe says...knock yourself out...just make sure you tell the forest service where your going and what you plan on doing when you sign in at the parking lot so they will know where to send air evac...they scrape at least one poor soul a year off the slopes of weavers needle (at least whats left of them)..its a loooong drop from the top

Wow, at least one a year? Lets see, that's what, a minimum of 50 deaths from falling off the Needle since 1964. Let me check with the SSR and Forest Service on that statement. Hopefully, you are just misinformed. It happens.

I'll post their response when it comes.

 

[Backwoodsbob]

Hal,you are right about some of us. I have never been to supers.and being totally disabled will never walk in the shoes of those who have. We do thank those who have. With some of the stories and insight of being there.Yes all of you are talking about history. But we all know that the story can change. History is proven wrong all the time. With new technology we are able to see things a little better. A new set of eyes sometimes is all that's needed. Keep your minds open and the answers will come. The bickering just causes animosity among each other. As the good book says anger begets anger and so on. The answer is out there. Enough of my rambling. Carry on gentlemen.
Bob

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