Legend of the Stone Maps

[wrmickel1]

Sarg who?

Anyway - Cuenta de Oro del Rio Solado del Norte
Honestly, I am not 100% certain of its location today. Other, more knowledgeable members could tell you.

Are you saying that the "ground map" is nothing more than a composite copy of the stone maps?
That seems to contradict this weeks take on things over at the other camp.

Hal
Yes I'm contradicting this weeks takes, Travis took a paper map and then split the seen into not one stone map but five. That's sure one stretch of his imagination, Not to mention he put each map in the right order witch nobody can figure out to this day. The trail maps first, no the horse is first ect. The only paper map that connects the stones is Julia's map with a horse on it. Then the copy,s and copy's ect. So why would the Dutchman even give her a clue with a horse.
Only one reason the horse is there nearby. And it looks pretty close to Julia's map horse, witch leads me to believe the Dutchman walked by this enough to describe it pretty good. Almost perfect match! I would post the photo I took but my computer crashed with the photo on it trying to retrieve them.

Wrmickel1

 

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[nobodie]

 

[nobodie]

I finally posted a picture but it doesn't look so good, old and beat up. Maybe another one.

 

[cw0909]

I finally posted a picture but it doesn't look so good, old and beat up. Maybe another one.

tried to lighten, but had to overlay your marks as they disappeared
when i lightened your img

 

[cw0909]

I don't know about these photo's, tell me what you think?

I can see more gray in these Trail Map stones they more closely resemble the PH Map.
Notice the lack of "DON" on the back of the Trail Map set.
Are these the same as what's in the Superstition mountain museum today?

Bill, agreed they look lighter, but the heart insert looks the same
but lighter,im trying to think why that would be,as i dont think
its pos to make the heart insert cracks clue ect, exactly the same

would still like to see copies of the psm/sm that are at/from the bluebird
of the heart insert, or all

Joe.Mike,Bill, heart



Bill imgs oriented, and the back of lower trail enhanced,but no DON

 

[nobodie]

I don't know if you can see it, but under the heart there is an arrow that points to a boulder. When i am up canyon closer to the priest the heart looks more like a heart. When i move down canyon away from the priest the heart turns into an upside down horse shoe. If I can I will post one. I had better pictures but were destroyed, The priest is about 30 feet tall. Twenty years ago I sent a good picture to the Superstition M. M.The woman on the phone said she reiceved it and would give it to the man in charge. I wanted to show that what was on the stone maps was real. The pict. disapeared. The heart means there is something good here, the horse shoe means there is buried treasure here. The circle in a circle means the treasure is in an mine behind the boulder under the heart. This is just off the trail of the stone maps.

 

[nobodie]

The reason the priest is not hold the cross means the church treasure is buried. I don't think it is visible but right infront of the priest was an image of what looked like some one sitting on a throne and the priest offering an empy hand. Meaning no church gold for you.

 

[nobodie]

Thank you cwo909 for what you did to my picture, it helped. I would like to post 2 more pictures as soon as I can figure out how I posted the first one. I am very bad at this. One of the picture is simular to the first one but I think it is clearer. The other one shows the heart when it turns into the up side down horseshoe. the pictures are old but you can see the h. shoe.

 

[Eldo]

The reason the priest is not hold the cross means the church treasure is buried. I don't think it is visible but right infront of the priest was an image of what looked like some one sitting on a throne and the priest offering an empy hand. Meaning no church gold for you.

My Priest is holding the Cross through, and well, looks like there was mining going on there.



Pretty Big Face in the Rock beneath the trail to the saddle where the Dutchman mine is found.

 

[markmar]

Eldorado

The only real site which represent the " priest/witch " is this . In the Superstitions .

 

[cactusjumper]

With all the new information coming out about the Stone Maps, it calls for some rethinking on my part and, I imagine, others as well.

If the original maps, in whatever form, came from Travis' grandfather it means, for me, that whoever originally received them, did so from someone who spent years in the mountains and knew every story and legend associated with the range. There are too many exact landmarks on the Stone Maps to be random coincidence.

Beyond that, I don't assume that every map the grandfather had in his collection was a true waybill to a mine or treasure. On the contrary, he was probably given or sold any number of false treasure maps.......same as me and you. The fact that any of those maps fit.......
somewhere does not make them any more "authentic" as far as locating a mine or treasure.

In my mind, the fact that Travis copied one of his grandfather's maps from skin or cloth into stone slabs can only suggest one thing, that he did it to make them more believable and therefore more valuable. In that respect, I do believe he did try to sell them to A.J. Locals. For me, my source for that information is as good as it gets.....said without any reservations or doubts whatsoever.

The big question that remains for me, is how did Travis get to the Superstition Mountains with his Stone Maps?

Good luck,

Joe Ribaudo

 

[Hal Croves]

With all the new information coming out about the Stone Maps, it calls for some rethinking on my part and, I imagine, others as well.

If the original maps, in whatever form, came from Travis' grandfather it means, for me, that whoever originally received them, did so from someone who spent years in the mountains and knew every story and legend associated with the range. There are too many exact landmarks on the Stone Maps to be random coincidence.

Beyond that, I don't assume that every map the grandfather had in his collection was a true waybill to a mine or treasure. On the contrary, he was probably given or sold any number of false treasure maps.......same as me and you. The fact that any of those maps fit.......
somewhere does not make them any more "authentic" as far as locating a mine or treasure.

In my mind, the fact that Travis copied one of his grandfather's maps from skin or cloth into stone slabs can only suggest one thing, that he did it to make them more believable and therefore more valuable. In that respect, I do believe he did try to sell them to A.J. Locals. For me, my source for that information is as good as it gets.....said without any reservations or doubts whatsoever.

The big question that remains for me, is how did Travis get to the Superstition Mountains with his Stone Maps?

Good luck,

Joe Ribaudo

Problem is, not one person (unless I missed it) has gone on record as having actually seen Travis carve the stone maps. Again, unless I missed it (I may have). The effort that went into milling the stones smooth, either by hand or machine, is time consuming, messy, noisy, and monotonous. Anyone who has ever tried their hand at lithography, traditional stone lithography, knows how tedious and time consuming preparing the stone's surface can be. Hours, even days to get it right by hand.

If Travis did carve the stone maps, all we would need is one photograph of them in their unfinished state. Just one. That would put the argument to rest once and for all. In the "thousands" of photographs that the Tumlinsons have shared, where is that one smoking gun? Where are his tools and what about a photo of his work space? If he worked outside in a yard, well, chances are that fragments of the stone material can be found. I honestly don't know if Travis carved the stones or not however, IMO, to date, no one has demonstrated that he did. The idea while completely possible, is still just an opinion.

For several years now you have made reference to some unidentified source as being "as good as it gets" or above reproach. The fact that you fail to mention that man or woman's name only suggests that he or she may not be as sound a source as you want us to believe. Its as if you are shielding them from close scrutiny. Your unnamed source is no more credible than some of the people who claim discovery of the Dutchman's Lost Mine yet produce nothing more than words to back it up. You are always telling us how important it is to use ones real name and to stand by ones words. I don't see that here which is concerning.

So, why not share the name and let us have a look at this immaculate source of yours?

 

[gollum]

With all the new information coming out about the Stone Maps, it calls for some rethinking on my part and, I imagine, others as well.

If the original maps, in whatever form, came from Travis' grandfather it means, for me, that whoever originally received them, did so from someone who spent years in the mountains and knew every story and legend associated with the range. There are too many exact landmarks on the Stone Maps to be random coincidence.

Beyond that, I don't assume that every map the grandfather had in his collection was a true waybill to a mine or treasure. On the contrary, he was probably given or sold any number of false treasure maps.......same as me and you. The fact that any of those maps fit.......
somewhere does not make them any more "authentic" as far as locating a mine or treasure.

In my mind, the fact that Travis copied one of his grandfather's maps from skin or cloth into stone slabs can only suggest one thing, that he did it to make them more believable and therefore more valuable. In that respect, I do believe he did try to sell them to A.J. Locals. For me, my source for that information is as good as it gets.....said without any reservations or doubts whatsoever.

The big question that remains for me, is how did Travis get to the Superstition Mountains with his Stone Maps?

Good luck,

Joe Ribaudo

Joe,

You use the term "AJ LOCALS" (with an S). Are you now saying that Travis T tried to sell the Stone Maps to more than one person? I can understand one person not wanting to get drawn into an argument. If that isn't what you meant, please use accurate terms. That is how stories get twisted. All it takes is one extra letter added to a word, and it throws out a whole different meaning. If you DID mean locals, then maybe one of the others might not mind being named?

Maybe if that person is at the Rendezvous, we can have a little talk?

Mike

 

[cactusjumper]

Joe,

You use the term "AJ LOCALS" (with an S). Are you now saying that Travis T tried to sell the Stone Maps to more than one person? I can understand one person not wanting to get drawn into an argument. If that isn't what you meant, please use accurate terms. That is how stories get twisted. All it takes is one extra letter added to a word, and it throws out a whole different meaning. If you DID mean locals, then maybe one of the others might not mind being named?

Maybe if that person is at the Rendezvous, we can have a little talk?

Mike

Mike,

I believe that's a correct statement. You will just have to ask around at the Rendezvous to see if any of the old timers will speak up. Most, I believe, are dead now. My source has said he will be there, but, as I have said, he doesn't want to be drug into another pissing match.

Good luck,

Joe

 

[gollum]

Mike,

I believe that's a correct statement. You will just have to ask around at the Rendezvous to see if any of the old timers will speak up. Most, I believe, are dead now. My source has said he will be there, but, as I have said, he doesn't want to be drug into another pissing match.

Good luck,

Joe

OH JOE!

You know me. I never START a pissing match! HAHAHA

Mike

 

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[coazon de oro]

With all the new information coming out about the Stone Maps, it calls for some rethinking on my part and, I imagine, others as well.

If the original maps, in whatever form, came from Travis' grandfather it means, for me, that whoever originally received them, did so from someone who spent years in the mountains and knew every story and legend associated with the range. There are too many exact landmarks on the Stone Maps to be random coincidence.

Beyond that, I don't assume that every map the grandfather had in his collection was a true waybill to a mine or treasure. On the contrary, he was probably given or sold any number of false treasure maps.......same as me and you. The fact that any of those maps fit.......
somewhere does not make them any more "authentic" as far as locating a mine or treasure.

In my mind, the fact that Travis copied one of his grandfather's maps from skin or cloth into stone slabs can only suggest one thing, that he did it to make them more believable and therefore more valuable. In that respect, I do believe he did try to sell them to A.J. Locals. For me, my source for that information is as good as it gets.....said without any reservations or doubts whatsoever.

The big question that remains for me, is how did Travis get to the Superstition Mountains with his Stone Maps?

Good luck,

Joe Ribaudo

Howdy Joe,

I see that you have been taken for a train ride at the other station. Exactly what "new" information has come out of the stone maps?

Theories are not new information, they just twist everything further than what it is already. This is why I stated before that the only thing of value is what Travis had to say. I knew the story would get butchered, but some can't see that. Many claim to be open minded, yet these words went in one ear, and out the other. That gives a new meaning to open minded.

You stated as a fact that Travis copied the map to stone. It is just their "theory" Joe. The relatives couldn't even remember how old they were, and all they know is that Travis's mom saw him carving something. R.G. himself was saying that it was probably the Treasure Chest Stone. Why? because he has no proof otherwise. It was when he was presented the "Ground Map" picture that he came up with his "theory".

In my honest opinion, it is the map that Travis copied from the PSM's to use in the Superstitions. He was not going to carry the PSM's in his search. That is why it matches the stones trail, and why it points out landmarks better. It is where Travis thought they led to in his understanding of them.

Homar

 

[cactusjumper]

Homar,

Perhaps you are right.

"It is where Travis thought they led to in his understanding of them."

I believe there is more evidence that Travis carved the maps himself, than the theory you just presented. Reading Travis' mind now are we?

Good luck,

Joe

 

[Ponchosportal]

I can't keep from thinking that the Peg Leg/ground map is ...... same song second verse.

I say this because Peg Leg was not likely to miss much and Travis/family/PSM hunters and everyone else have found very little and nothing to warrant a waybill.

Maybe another attempt to raise money to further Peg Legs legacy (knowledge/data).

 

[coazon de oro]

Homar,

Perhaps you are right.

"It is where Travis thought they led to in his understanding of them."

I believe there is more evidence that Travis carved the maps himself, than the theory you just presented. Reading Travis' mind now are we?

Good luck,

Joe

Howdy Joe,

I presented my thoughts as an honest opinion, while you present yours as fact when it is just a theory.

If there were any real evidence that Travis carved the stones, R.G., and Travis's relatives would not be presenting it as their theory. Get real Joe.

Homar