KNIGHTS OF THE GOLDEN CIRCLE NEEDLES EYE REVEALED!

[Rebel - KGC]

The two Cryptic Degrees were being practice in England and this work was brought to the States. More likely they were borrowed from the Scottish Rite as practiced in France. Once they got to the States they stuck them in with the York Rite as the America didn't have a organized Scottish Rite yet at the time of their arrival in the New World. At one point it is my understanding that it was kind of a independant order really controlled by no one and no one wanted to lead so it was just two and then three very optional degrees. Cross was very instrumental in bring them in to the Masonic family of degree so he may be call the father of the Cryptic Rite in America. They were practice long before he was even born.

This again is more of the oral traditions,lost Records, and conjecture on a lot of peoples part. Some would like to think that it is as old as Solomon's Temple. Again it is a set of degrees that tell a story, teaches a important lesson of Masonry, and one more to pay your dues to.

Senior Deacon

It was part of the FRENCH RITE... Order of the Royal Secret; becoming part of the Lodge of Perfection in OLD Scottish Rite; STILL in the LODGE of PERFECTION (A & A Scottish Rite/SJ, with SOME "minor" changes...). A "system" of 25 degrees, becoming 32 (+1).

 

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[L.C. BAKER]

"America didn't have a organized Scottish Rite yet at the time of their arrival in the New World." -S.D.

Isn't it possible that this very thing was the stream of Scottish Rite that would form a new puddle with a new name in America?

L.C.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

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At first we had deciphered this K.G.C. symbol as a representation of high noon. We were speculating that the three legs of the "E" were representing the sun rise, high noon, and sunset with the "O" marking the sun's movement throughout the day. On the first attempt in the field We tried to see what ever it was supposed to reveal to us on the wrong solstice at High noon! After locating the needles eye that pinwheel spoke of, we realized we should be looking up at an angle towards the sky because that was the angle of view through the hole. It was at that point that we realized we were looking for a star. The "O" symbol above the "E" symbol was representing the moon at midnight instead of the sun at noon.

L.C.

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[Rebel - KGC]

"America didn't have a organized Scottish Rite yet at the time of their arrival in the New World." -S.D.

Isn't it possible that this very thing was the stream of Scottish Rite that would form a new puddle with a new name in America?

L.C.

1803 in South Carolina for "old Scottish Rite"; system of 25 degrees.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

The two Cryptic Degrees were being practice in England and this work was brought to the States. More likely they were borrowed from the Scottish Rite as practiced in France. Once they got to the States they stuck them in with the York Rite as the America didn't have a organized Scottish Rite yet at the time of their arrival in the New World. At one point it is my understanding that it was kind of a independant order really controlled by no one and no one wanted to lead so it was just two and then three very optional degrees. Cross was very instrumental in bring them in to the Masonic family of degree so he may be call the father of the Cryptic Rite in America. They were practice long before he was even born.

This again is more of the oral traditions,lost Records, and conjecture on a lot of peoples part. Some would like to think that it is as old as Solomon's Temple. Again it is a set of degrees that tell a story, teaches a important lesson of Masonry, and one more to pay your dues to.

Senior Deacon

R & S Masons created their own Council; it WAS independent. AND! The DANG dues keeps going UP, UP, UP!

 

[L.C. BAKER]

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[Rebel - KGC]

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THANKS, LC!

 

[Rebel - KGC]

THANKS, LC!

It DOES look like mid-nite! Gotta "google" phases of the MOON!

 

[L.C. BAKER]

R & S Masons created their own Council; it WAS independent. AND! The DANG dues keeps going UP, UP, UP!

When a club is formed out of members of another club, they price the lower members out of joining! It is a polite way for the rich to weed out the not as rich. Take for instance the Jekyll Island club, they would let anyone live there.....if they could afford it! Only the truly elite of the wealthy would have belonged to the inner circle. How many Master Masons lived on that island? How many 32nd and 33rd degree Masons? They should have named it O.A.K. Island!!!

L.C.

 

[senior deacon]

Sorry L.C. that name had already had been taken. Another Treasure legend. Look at the K.G.C. made the dues and fees high enough that only the Big Bugs could afford the third degree.

Senior Deacon

 

[Rebel - KGC]

When a club is formed out of members of another club, they price the lower members out of joining! It is a polite way for the rich to weed out the not as rich. Take for instance the Jekyll Island club, they would let anyone live there.....if they could afford it! Only the truly elite of the wealthy would have belonged to the inner circle. How many Master Masons lived on that island? How many 32nd and 33rd degree Masons? They should have named it O.A.K. Island!!!

L.C.

MY understanding is that the Jekyll Island CLUB was utilized by RICH/WEALTHY men, who made "policies" for the growth of America; some were OAK and POSSIBLY higher level Freemasons than MASTER MASONS. MAYBE 32nd or 33rd Degree SR, Masonic KT, "Shriners"... etc. MAY have been MANY Master Masons living "regular" lives on that island as "just folks".

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Sorry L.C. that name had already had been taken. Another Treasure legend. Look at the K.G.C. made the dues and fees high enough that only the Big Bugs could afford the third degree.

Senior Deacon

Nah... MOST were OAK "folks". KGC went out with the "fall" of the South. OAK "folks were ALL "state righters"

 

[senior deacon]

Sorry Rebel it was only my Attempt as a play on words. Yes I know that they all became O.A.K. As well as your comment as that they become Texas Rangers which is what happened. Story that happened just south of us in Carthage ,Texas a riot broke out and they sent a Texas Ranger to quell the riot. When the Texas Ranger got off the train the sheriff ask if there were more Texas Rangers. He ask the sheriff if they had they had more than one riot The sheriff said they only one. The Texas Ranger said that he would take care of it . He did!!!!

Senior Deacon

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Sorry Rebel it was only my Attempt as a play on words. Yes I know that they all became O.A.K. As well as your comment as that they become Texas Rangers which is what happened. Story that happened just south of us in Carthage ,Texas a riot broke out and they sent a Texas Ranger to quell the riot. When the Texas Ranger got off the train the sheriff ask if there were more Texas Rangers. He ask the sheriff if they had they had more than one riot The sheriff said they only one. The Texas Ranger said that he would take care of it . He did!!!!

Senior Deacon

LOL!

 

[Rebel - KGC]

It DOES look like mid-nite! Gotta "google" phases of the MOON!

Did a mental/visual "over-lay" of it with the Arch of the Heaven(s); Royal Arch of the Heaven(s) - FULL Moon would be the KEY STONE (aka CORNER Stone) that holds the "arch" together. TWO lines going up would point to GIBBOUS Moon; on the right, would be the WAXING Gibbous Moon; on the left... the WANING Gibbous Moon. The word "GIBBOUS" is no longer in use, & I have NO idea what it means. I have to review "Living by LUNAR signs" or "Moon Signs". STILL! There is a WAXING Moon... getting CLOSE to treasure; FULL MOON... right on TOP of it; WANING Moon... gone too far, GO BACK! Hopes this helps... ANYWAY! HH! Good Luck!

 

[senior deacon]

Rebel the Term Gibbous is middle English for humped or hunched. You are spot on with the Capstone Moon. It would be one that would be overhead. It would be at it's meridian height. If we work backwards from legends it would be sometime between 9 P.M. and Midnight. If we look and the moon at its brightest it would be when the earth and moon are closes to the Sun (perigee). This varies from year to year and we need to calculate this for any given year.

Even the full moon will vary from month to month as it has a 29.530588853 day cycle. so It has a maybe a different meaning that on a full moon like over head or at your feet.

Senior Deacon

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Rebel the Term Gibbous is middle English for humped or hunched. You are spot on with the Capstone Moon. It would be one that would be overhead. It would be at it's meridian height. If we work backwards from legends it would be sometime between 9 P.M. and Midnight. If we look and the moon at its brightest it would be when the earth and moon are closes to the Sun (perigee). This varies from year to year and we need to calculate this for any given year.

Even the full moon will vary from month to month as it has a 29.530588853 day cycle. so It has a maybe a different meaning that on a full moon like over head or at your feet.

Senior Deacon

PROBABLY by the "LIGHT", one can "see" by... dunno.

 

[L.C. BAKER]

PROBABLY by the "LIGHT", one can "see" by... dunno.

pretty sure it was a reference to come at night during the summer solstice. the deciphered code also refers to the bewitching our. The actual position of the moon made no difference to the position of Libra in the sky at that time. It was at midnight when it became visible through the needles eye.

L.C.

 

[L.C. BAKER]

The scales that were identified by libra led us to a set of scales where a wire top jar which contained a coded cipher of numbers a skeleton key and a letter and another lead cross with a name and code on it. There would be no other logical way to have known the jar was buried beneath the scales.

L.C. "COME AT THE BEWITCHING HOUR THE SKY WILL SPEAK TO THE EARTH OF THE SEA, LISTEN AND FIND GOLD"

 

[Rebel - KGC]

The scales that were identified by libra led us to a set of scales where a wire top jar which contained a coded cipher of numbers a skeleton key and a letter and another lead cross with a name and code on it. There would be no other logical way to have known the jar was buried beneath the scales.

L.C. "COME AT THE BEWITCHING HOUR THE SKY WILL SPEAK TO THE EARTH OF THE SEA, LISTEN AND FIND GOLD"

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