JESUIT TREASURES - ARE THEY REAL?

[cactusjumper]

Scorch,

"On a Side bar, I found my book on Juan Bautista de Anza and will have it finished by tomorrow, so will get a few more excerpts on here for those interested".

Bolton did a five book series on Juan Bautista de Anza's expeditions. They are around 4-500 pages each, so there is a lot to read. There are many personal letters included in the books.

Good luck,

Joe Ribaudo

 

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[Backwoodsbob]

Can you tell me if this is the Jesuits markings

 

[Backwoodsbob]

 

[KXMember]

Can you tell me if this is the Jesuits markings

No...trying way too hard

 

[gollum]

BWBob,

Nobody would have left very small markers like that. A strong wind or a good rain would have washed them far from where they had been left.

Mike

 

[gollum]

I have to agree with these guys those rocks are just too small to be markers, however I have seen very small markers about that size scattered around large markers on the ground, but they actually would have a shape to them such as a heart etc. and usually a different color than the surrounding rock to stand out. Now if these were dug up they may mean something because of the different colors.

Here is a bird head that was dug up at a measured location and is on the smallish side for a carved marker, although I have seen some that were buried be a little smaller about half this size.
(the glasses are for size reference)
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Sandy1,

Welcome to the discussion. The problem with pictures like the one you posted is that there is no context. Its the main reason why Archaeologists dislike metal detectorists and treasure hunters. When we find something we think is a clue, many times we remove them from where they were found. This removes them from all context. If you took a picture of your rock what the arrowhead collectors call "in situ" (meaning as it was situated in the ground), we would be able to see all the surrounding rocks and maybe give a little meaning to what you have. Trail or treasure markers are almost never one thing or in one small place. They use multiple items in fairly close proximity. So, when you remove a rock that was part of a group of rocks that mean something when seen together, that rock by itself means diddly squat. The rest of the group may also be meaningless without the one rock you removed.

Mike

 

[dog the treasure hunter]

I have to agree with these guys those rocks are just too small to be markers, however I have seen very small markers about that size scattered around large markers on the ground, but they actually would have a shape to them such as a heart etc. and usually a different color than the surrounding rock to stand out. Now if these were dug up they may mean something because of the different colors.

Here is a bird head that was dug up at a measured location and is on the smallish side for a carved marker, although I have seen some that were buried be a little smaller about half this size.
(the glasses are for size reference)
View attachment 1210544

Very interesting Sandy1,Thanks for posting the photo and info. So your saying this is a Jesuit sign? Do you have any more special things you would like to share? Thanks again for that special photo and info.

 

[dog the treasure hunter]

Sandy1 , its obvious you have great skills to measure out from a set point, dig down and nail that. Iam all ears and eyes if you want to share more. Excellent work.

 

[dog the treasure hunter]

Thanks again. Iam grateful for what you posted.Thanks. I consider that the secret stuff no one shows or share's. It kinda surprising, Bill R posted something that i thought as the secret stuff also. Its great to see that, i hope you keep posting.

 

[dog the treasure hunter]

Even if you know that, it takes great skill to hit the spot. its like shooting a gun at a hundred yard target. you move a 32nd at the gun rest, your way off at the target. So its not only the knowledge, but great skill to get it in the bulls eye.

 

[Backwoodsbob]

What you guys need to think about is this. The sites you are use to seeing are not like the ones in the southeast. They are very similar but different. You might see a few big stone monuments around here. They can fit in the bed of a truck. Most of the stone are the size of a basketball or smaller. The sun, shadow signs and the trees. Combined along with the stones we all have the same thing. Here is one taken at night from a night vision surveillance system. It's a tree in my yard

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Hi Bob, I presume that that tree has a fungas colony there ? good point though.

 

[Backwoodsbob]

That tree is a Pine tree. Maybe it may have a fungus. That is common here.If it was clearer you can see it is made up of numbers and symbols. There are more out there like it. I just wanted to share it with you

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[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Hi Bob, Can you draw the no's or symbols and thanks for sharing.

 

[cactusjumper]

History, and the books/documents that record it, are the most readily available types of evidence for the possible existence of Jesuit treasure. The early entrance of the Jesuits, 1576, and the known history of that era, provides a fairly clear record of how the Jesuit Order gathered so much power and wealth in the New World.

Wealthy patrons fought for the privilege of donating land, money, animals and slaves to those first Jesuits arriving in Mexico. They competed for the right to build the first college, have their name attached to it, and to be buried within its walls.

Hard for todays minds to wrap that kind of thinking into any kind of "logic". Fact is, it stayed with the Jesuits right up to their expulsion.

The Jesuits took that initial largess and, for the most part, added their own ingenuity, blood sweat and tears to create one of the most successful religious enterprises in the New World.


I would suggest anyone really interested, to read about that first history around Mexico City.

Good luck,

Joe Ribaudo

 

[Oroblanco]

History, and the books/documents that record it, are the most readily available types of evidence for the possible existence of Jesuit treasure. The early entrance of the Jesuits, 1576, and the known history of that era, provides a fairly clear record of how the Jesuit Order gathered so much power and wealth in the New World.

Wealthy patrons fought for the privilege of donating land, money, animals and slaves to those first Jesuits arriving in Mexico. They competed for the right to build the first college, have their name attached to it, and to be buried within its walls.

Hard for todays minds to wrap that kind of thinking into any kind of "logic". Fact is, it stayed with the Jesuits right up to their expulsion.

The Jesuits took that initial largess and, for the most part, added their own ingenuity, blood sweat and tears to create one of the most successful religious enterprises in the New World.


I would suggest anyone really interested, to read about that first history around Mexico City.

Good luck,

Joe Ribaudo

Not much to disagree with in that post, except that many of the padres were working on the wild frontiers, at the missions, which were a very different world from the situation in the large cities where Jesuits, Franciscans, Dominicans etc all vied for the attentions and donations of the wealthy and powerful.

At some missions the padres had good relations with powerful and wealthy Spaniards, at other missions not so much. But also agree that reading the history is both beneficial and interesting!

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

And they WERE mining Joe.

 

[KXMember]

Once the template used is understood then the remaining signs, symbols and monuments can be found. One does not have to find every piece in order to understand/over stand the template. I have been witness to someone figuring out the template by a few pieces and then finding the remaining signs to confirm. Brilliance!

 

[cactusjumper]

And they WERE mining Joe.

Don Jose,

You know I love you, but......."they" is a very wide and sweeping statement. As I have said, many times, in the final analysis, the Jesuits were just men. As such, all of the foibles of mankind were part of their daily lives and challenges. As a group, I believe they handled the temptations better than most individuals.

Did they bend the "rules", of course they did. Did you bend the rules when you were out in the jungles of the world, of course you did. All men of intelligence do what they have to, to survive. The Jesuits were in a tough situation. Although I was raised Catholic, I am no longer a member of that flock, or any other. That being said, while recognizing some of the evil the church has done, I can't ignore the good. As I have said, they are just men.

You, my friend, are one of the better piles of clay that the big guy has put together to make the rest of us aspire to greater things.

Take care,

Joe

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Joe, I readily admitted that in my first posts. Since they were a struggling operation they had to grab at any chance to better their group, and counter the in fighting in Rome,which they did.

Make no mistake, there were / are various layers in the group, of which the mission priest was often the scapegoat , being on the lower rung. He sniffed out the possibilities, but others carried out the subsequent mining, many who were 'not' Ordained Priests.

Even though you ate my steak, i forgive you and want to share a cuppa wih you.